Critical Mass London May 2011 ride.

On May 30, 6:32*am, Doug wrote:
On May 29, 8:20*pm, Tony Dragon wrote:







On 29/05/2011 10:43, maresh wrote:

On May 29, 10:04 am, Tom *wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2011 00:11:31 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

A most excellent ride.

Reports here...

http://london.indymedia.org/articles/9160

and here...

http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk/main.html

snip

"We didn't cork PMT square very well and all the cars were mixed in,
but it caused no harm"

But Doug always reports that cars mixing with CM is dangerous, CM seem
to differ.

Can you comment on this Doug.

Easily. Just because one example of a danger caused hasn't resulted in
harm doesn't mean that other, similar examples won't.

Wriggle.

Also cars mixing
with the ride contributes to hold-ups.

But cm hold up traffic already.


An example I saw during the Friday's ride was a car positioned almost
completely across one side of the road, in its driver's attempt to
force its way into the ride and consequently he was not only a block
to traffic but was slowing the ride down..

Perhaps he was 'corking'


BTW one person's opinion of CM is not necessarily representative of
CM.

So you should stop acting as a spokesperson.

You should know that by now. CM consists of a mass of individuals.

Do you mean like a group of motorists?


-- .
Critical Mass London.
*http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
"Get out of my way you communist Effing scum, dole cheats”, said a
taxi driver.

On 30/05/2011 06:13, Doug wrote:
On May 29, 6:11 pm, wrote:
On 29/05/2011 13:24, Doug wrote:









On May 29, 8:49 am, wrote:
On May 29, 8:11 am, wrote:

A most excellent ride.

Reports here...

http://london.indymedia.org/articles/9160

and here...

http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk/main.html

You must be so proud to support a group of lawbreakers as shown on the
video.
Personally I would rather give my support to people who do not break
the law.

So you must include motorists then, a majority of whom are know to
break laws.

Evidence?

"Nearly three-quarters of drivers break the 30mph speed limit and
nearly 60 per cent exceed the 70mph limit on motorways, figures out
yesterday revealed. Speeding is so widespread that nearly a fifth of
drivers break the 80mph limit, according to the figures from the
Department for Transport and the Environment..."


What 80 mph speed limit?


--
Dave - Cyclists VOR.

On 30/05/2011 06:21, Doug wrote:
On May 29, 8:17 pm, Tony wrote:
On 29/05/2011 13:31, Doug wrote:









On May 29, 10:48 am, Tom wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2011 10:25:51 +0100, Tony Dragon

wrote:
On 29/05/2011 10:04, Tom Crispin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2011 00:11:31 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

A most excellent ride.

Reports here...

http://london.indymedia.org/articles/9160

and here...

http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk/main.html

Seems a bit pointless to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnUKOohD9W4

Quotes "we're stopping the traffic for a bit of fun"
"Why are you stopping traffic? , I don't know"

Can anybody tell me what this does for the image of cycling?
After 'events' like this is it any wonder why some people hate cyclists?

I expect most people realise that CM is not representative of
cyclists.

Why do they assume that most cyclists are alike with a standard image
and are somehow representative?

You do the same with motorists, why do you assume that all motorists are
alike?

Sources show that a majority of motorists are lawbreakers and yet they
have the cheek to criticise cyclists for breaking laws.

15 year old highly inaccurate sources.

CM includes a wide range of individuals with differing views. Also you
may have noticed that this particular ride was mainly led by a bunch
of skateborders, who definitely are not representative of cyclists. So
what?

Doug.

Do you condone CM breaking laws?


This all has been discussed at length in the past so why do you keep
on asking the same old, tired questions? Better still why don't you
try presenting you own points of view instead for a change?

Why don't you answer a question directly instead of wriggling?

Why don't you ask the police, who know exactly when and where CM takes
place every month but take no action?

According to you CM is spontaneous?



--
Dave - Cyclists VOR.

On May 30, 9:27*am, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 30/05/2011 06:21, Doug wrote:



On May 29, 8:17 pm, Tony *wrote:
On 29/05/2011 13:31, Doug wrote:

On May 29, 10:48 am, Tom * *wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2011 10:25:51 +0100, Tony Dragon

* *wrote:
On 29/05/2011 10:04, Tom Crispin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2011 00:11:31 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

A most excellent ride.

Reports here...

http://london.indymedia.org/articles/9160

and here...

http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk/main.html

Seems a bit pointless to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnUKOohD9W4

Quotes "we're stopping the traffic for a bit of fun"
"Why are you stopping traffic? , I don't know"

Can anybody tell me what this does for the image of cycling?
After 'events' like this is it any wonder why some people hate cyclists?

I expect most people realise that CM is not representative of
cyclists.

Why do they assume that most cyclists are alike with a standard image
and are somehow representative?

You do the same with motorists, why do you assume that all motorists are
alike?

Sources show that a majority of motorists are lawbreakers and yet they
have the cheek to criticise cyclists for breaking laws.

CM includes a wide range of individuals with differing views. Also you
may have noticed that this particular ride was mainly led by a bunch
of skateborders, who definitely are not representative of cyclists. So
what?

Doug.

Do you condone CM breaking laws?

This all has been discussed at length in the past so why do you keep
on asking the same old, tired questions? Better still why don't you
try presenting you own points of view instead for a change?

Why don't you ask the police, who know exactly when and where CM takes
place every month but take no action?



My point of view is the same as ever, I think the law should be obeyed.
So back to my questions
* "Do you condone CM breaking laws?"
"Do tell us, are you proud of them? "
"Is obstructing the highway a bad law? "

Why do you keep on asking silly questions instead of contributing to
debate?

-- .
Critical Mass London.
http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
"Get out of my way you communist Effing scum, dole cheats”, said a
taxi driver.

On May 30, 9:30*am, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 30/05/2011 06:32, Doug wrote:



On May 29, 8:20 pm, Tony *wrote:
On 29/05/2011 10:43, maresh wrote:

On May 29, 10:04 am, Tom * *wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2011 00:11:31 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

A most excellent ride.

Reports here...

http://london.indymedia.org/articles/9160

and here...

http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk/main.html

snip

"We didn't cork PMT square very well and all the cars were mixed in,
but it caused no harm"

But Doug always reports that cars mixing with CM is dangerous, CM seem
to differ.

Can you comment on this Doug.

Easily. Just because one example of a danger caused hasn't resulted in
harm doesn't mean that other, similar examples won't. Also cars mixing
with the ride contributes to hold-ups.

An example I saw during the Friday's ride was a car positioned almost
completely across one side of the road, in its driver's attempt to
force its way into the ride and consequently he was not only a block
to traffic but was slowing the ride down..

BTW one person's opinion of CM is not necessarily representative of
CM. You should know that by now. CM consists of a mass of individuals.


So it would seem you agree that blocking the road causes hold ups.

In which case would you care to give your comment on the following from
the video.

Quotes "we're stopping the traffic for a bit of fun"
"Why are you stopping traffic? , I don't know"

How many more times???? Individuals are not representative of CM!!!!

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.(Recently updated).
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

On May 30, 12:11*pm, webreader wrote:
On May 30, 6:32*am, Doug wrote:



On May 29, 8:20*pm, Tony Dragon wrote:

On 29/05/2011 10:43, maresh wrote:

On May 29, 10:04 am, Tom *wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2011 00:11:31 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

A most excellent ride.

Reports here...

http://london.indymedia.org/articles/9160

and here...

http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk/main.html

snip

"We didn't cork PMT square very well and all the cars were mixed in,
but it caused no harm"

But Doug always reports that cars mixing with CM is dangerous, CM seem
to differ.

Can you comment on this Doug.

Easily. Just because one example of a danger caused hasn't resulted in
harm doesn't mean that other, similar examples won't.

Wriggle.

No fact.

http://www.verbicidemagazine.com/201...alegre-brazil/

Also cars mixing
with the ride contributes to hold-ups.

But cm hold up traffic already.

Yes processions usually do. So what?


An example I saw during the Friday's ride was a car positioned almost
completely across one side of the road, in its driver's attempt to
force its way into the ride and consequently he was not only a block
to traffic but was slowing the ride down..

Perhaps he was 'corking'

In a way he was but leaving no space for following motorists to take
advantage of it. BTW, thanks for pointing out that motorists cork as
well.


BTW one person's opinion of CM is not necessarily representative of
CM.

So you should stop acting as a spokesperson.

Where do I claim to be a spokesperson for CM?

You should know that by now. CM consists of a mass of individuals.

Do you mean like a group of motorists?

Nope. Do you have an example of a 'group' of motorists which compares
to CM?

-- .
Critical Mass London.
*http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
"Get out of my way you communist Effing scum, dole cheats”, said a
taxi driver.

On 31/05/2011 05:30, Doug wrote:
On May 30, 9:27 am, Tony wrote:
On 30/05/2011 06:21, Doug wrote:



On May 29, 8:17 pm, Tony wrote:
On 29/05/2011 13:31, Doug wrote:

On May 29, 10:48 am, Tom wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2011 10:25:51 +0100, Tony Dragon

wrote:
On 29/05/2011 10:04, Tom Crispin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2011 00:11:31 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

A most excellent ride.

Reports here...

http://london.indymedia.org/articles/9160

and here...

http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk/main.html

Seems a bit pointless to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnUKOohD9W4

Quotes "we're stopping the traffic for a bit of fun"
"Why are you stopping traffic? , I don't know"

Can anybody tell me what this does for the image of cycling?
After 'events' like this is it any wonder why some people hate cyclists?

I expect most people realise that CM is not representative of
cyclists.

Why do they assume that most cyclists are alike with a standard image
and are somehow representative?

You do the same with motorists, why do you assume that all motorists are
alike?

Sources show that a majority of motorists are lawbreakers and yet they
have the cheek to criticise cyclists for breaking laws.

CM includes a wide range of individuals with differing views. Also you
may have noticed that this particular ride was mainly led by a bunch
of skateborders, who definitely are not representative of cyclists. So
what?

Doug.

Do you condone CM breaking laws?

This all has been discussed at length in the past so why do you keep
on asking the same old, tired questions? Better still why don't you
try presenting you own points of view instead for a change?

Why don't you ask the police, who know exactly when and where CM takes
place every month but take no action?



My point of view is the same as ever, I think the law should be obeyed.
So back to my questions
"Do you condone CM breaking laws?"
"Do tell us, are you proud of them?"
"Is obstructing the highway a bad law?"

Why do you keep on asking silly questions instead of contributing to
debate?

-- .
Critical Mass London.
http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
"Get out of my way you communist Effing scum, dole cheats”, said a
taxi driver.


You sidestepped my question before requestion my POV.
I gave it and re asked the question.
You seem still to be unable to answer the question.
Perhaps we should all draw our own conclusions, after all it would seem
to be that keeping to the law is 'silly'

On 31/05/2011 05:32, Doug wrote:
On May 30, 9:30 am, Tony wrote:
On 30/05/2011 06:32, Doug wrote:



On May 29, 8:20 pm, Tony wrote:
On 29/05/2011 10:43, maresh wrote:

On May 29, 10:04 am, Tom wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2011 00:11:31 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

A most excellent ride.

Reports here...

http://london.indymedia.org/articles/9160

and here...

http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk/main.html

snip

"We didn't cork PMT square very well and all the cars were mixed in,
but it caused no harm"

But Doug always reports that cars mixing with CM is dangerous, CM seem
to differ.

Can you comment on this Doug.

Easily. Just because one example of a danger caused hasn't resulted in
harm doesn't mean that other, similar examples won't. Also cars mixing
with the ride contributes to hold-ups.

An example I saw during the Friday's ride was a car positioned almost
completely across one side of the road, in its driver's attempt to
force its way into the ride and consequently he was not only a block
to traffic but was slowing the ride down..

BTW one person's opinion of CM is not necessarily representative of
CM. You should know that by now. CM consists of a mass of individuals.


So it would seem you agree that blocking the road causes hold ups.

In which case would you care to give your comment on the following from
the video.

Quotes "we're stopping the traffic for a bit of fun"
"Why are you stopping traffic? , I don't know"

How many more times???? Individuals are not representative of CM!!!!

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.(Recently updated).
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

So it would seem that you agree the cm (in part at least) are only there
to cause problems.

On 31/05/2011 05:43, Doug wrote:
On May 30, 12:11 pm, wrote:
On May 30, 6:32 am, wrote:



On May 29, 8:20 pm, Tony wrote:

On 29/05/2011 10:43, maresh wrote:

On May 29, 10:04 am, Tom wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2011 00:11:31 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

A most excellent ride.

Reports here...

http://london.indymedia.org/articles/9160

and here...

http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk/main.html

snip

"We didn't cork PMT square very well and all the cars were mixed in,
but it caused no harm"

But Doug always reports that cars mixing with CM is dangerous, CM seem
to differ.

Can you comment on this Doug.

Easily. Just because one example of a danger caused hasn't resulted in
harm doesn't mean that other, similar examples won't.

Wriggle.

No fact.

http://www.verbicidemagazine.com/201...alegre-brazil/

I remember that clip, you lied on this NG by saying a contributor to
this NG approved & defended that driver.
When asked to back that up, you went silent.




Also cars mixing
with the ride contributes to hold-ups.

But cm hold up traffic already.

Yes processions usually do. So what?

So cars hold up the hold ups.



An example I saw during the Friday's ride was a car positioned almost
completely across one side of the road, in its driver's attempt to
force its way into the ride and consequently he was not only a block
to traffic but was slowing the ride down..

Perhaps he was 'corking'

In a way he was but leaving no space for following motorists to take
advantage of it. BTW, thanks for pointing out that motorists cork as
well.

I don't recall saying that, can you quote where I said that.



BTW one person's opinion of CM is not necessarily representative of
CM.

So you should stop acting as a spokesperson.

Where do I claim to be a spokesperson for CM?

You are the only one who posts about CM, linking your site & your videos.


You should know that by now. CM consists of a mass of individuals.

Do you mean like a group of motorists?

Nope. Do you have an example of a 'group' of motorists which compares
to CM?


No, but that is not what I said, I can give you many examples of a group
of motorists consisting of a mass of individuals.

-- .
Critical Mass London.
http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
"Get out of my way you communist Effing scum, dole cheats”, said a
taxi driver.

Tom Crispin wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2011 10:25:51 +0100, Tony Dragon
wrote:

On 29/05/2011 10:04, Tom Crispin wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2011 00:11:31 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

A most excellent ride.

Reports here...

http://london.indymedia.org/articles/9160

and here...

http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk/main.html

Seems a bit pointless to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnUKOohD9W4

Quotes "we're stopping the traffic for a bit of fun"
"Why are you stopping traffic? , I don't know"

Can anybody tell me what this does for the image of cycling?
After 'events' like this is it any wonder why some people hate cyclists?

I expect most people realise that CM is not representative of
cyclists.

And most cyclists would be horrified to be lumped in with critical mass
lot.

Though to be fair bar usnet crtical mass doesn't exist doesn't show on
any sort of mainstream media it's very rare to be talked about on bike
forums etc...

Roger
--
www.rogermerriman.com