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Yet more pavement cycling
On 04/09/2011 07:51, Doug wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2011 12:39:20 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote: On Sep 3, 5:39 am, Peter wrote: which I find strange. In my experience bicycling on the footpath is much more dangerous also for the bicyclist than bicycling on the road. Same here - even if it was legal to do so, I'd never cycle on the pavement as it is too slow and there are too many give way points. Agreed but surely some people cycle on the pavements because they consider the roads and its drivers too dangerous and therefore are prepared to put up with the many inconveniences of pavement cycling? Yes, and bugger the inconveniences to pedestrians. Personally I disagree with them because pavement motoring also represents a danger to cyclists. Because of their vulnerability cyclists have to make difficult choices in an inequitable situation where drivers can kill them but they can't kill drivers. -- . UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to drive a car. Lack of any mention of pedestrians in your post noted. It's cyclists like you, who obviously do not care about pedestrians, ( you did not mention them at all in your anti care rant) that give cycling a bad name |
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Yet more pavement cycling
On 04/09/2011 06:49, Peter Keller wrote:
JNugent wrote: Peter Keller wrote: Mr Pounder wrote: wrote: http://tinyurl.com/455noac Perhaps they're just afraid of the traffic, or it could be that they couldn't care less about pedestrians, Both. which I find strange. In my experience bicycling on the footpath is much more dangerous also for the bicyclist than bicycling on the road. But that's not the issue, is it? It doesn't matter how "dangerous" it is for cyclists on the carriageway, it's still a selfish offence to cycle along the footway or through a pedestrian area. The answer to cyclist perception of "danger" is either to use a different route or to not cycle at all on that journey. I do use a different route. I bike on the road. That means that you don't have this overwhelming perception of imagined "danger", such as is attributed to selfish footway users as cited by people like Doug. And if *you* can see the imaginary "dangers" for what they are... |
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Yet more pavement cycling
On 04/09/2011 07:51, Doug wrote:
[ ... ] ... some people cycle on the pavements ... I disagree with them because pavement motoring also represents a danger to cyclists. ... Thanks for the confirmation that you aren't interested in the safety of pedestrians. |
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Yet more pavement cycling
On Sep 3, 3:45*pm, Rob Morley wrote:
On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 04:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Peter Keller wrote: which I find strange. *In my experience bicycling on the footpath is much more dangerous also for the bicyclist than bicycling on the road. Yeah, but we're proper cyclists, see? *Those other characters that people confuse with cyclists are just "people on bicycles", who don't understand how to cycle safely and responsibly. *Around here the pavement cyclists often aren't the archetypal terrorists but older people and families who think they're being safe - education is what's needed to solve a large art of the problem, I think. The ones who cycle past my house on the pavement tend to be schoolkids, paperboys and children being taught to ride by their parents. Everyone else uses the road and the speed limit is 60 mph just a short distance away and there is no pavement there at all. -- Simon Mason |
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Yet more pavement cycling
On Sep 4, 7:51*am, Doug wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2011 12:39:20 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote: On Sep 3, 5:39*am, Peter Keller wrote: which I find strange. *In my experience bicycling on the footpath is much more dangerous also for the bicyclist than bicycling on the road. Same here - even if it was legal to do so, I'd never cycle on the pavement as it is too slow and there are too many give way points. Agreed but surely some people cycle on the pavements because they consider the roads and its drivers too dangerous and therefore are prepared to put up with the many inconveniences of pavement cycling? Personally I disagree with them because pavement motoring also represents a danger to cyclists. Because of their vulnerability cyclists have to make difficult choices in an inequitable situation where drivers can kill them but they can't kill drivers. -- . UK Radical Campaigns. *http://www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill. So yet again you prove that you don't care about those who use the pavement, you know these people, they're pedestrians. I'm not surprised that even cyclist don't want to be associated with you. |
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Yet more pavement cycling
On 04/09/2011 07:51, Doug wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2011 12:39:20 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote: On Sep 3, 5:39 am, Peter wrote: which I find strange. In my experience bicycling on the footpath is much more dangerous also for the bicyclist than bicycling on the road. Same here - even if it was legal to do so, I'd never cycle on the pavement as it is too slow and there are too many give way points. Agreed but surely some people cycle on the pavements because they consider the roads and its drivers too dangerous That would be because they are using a child's toy as a form of transport - it isn't viable. A silly Victorian diversion. and therefore are prepared to put up with the many inconveniences of pavement cycling? Those 'inconveniences' are called pedestrians. Personally I disagree with them because pavement motoring also represents a danger to cyclists. Because of their vulnerability cyclists have to make difficult choices in an inequitable situation where drivers can kill them but they can't kill drivers. Which confirms that push bikes are not a viable form of transport. -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster University |
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Yet more pavement cycling
Doug wrote:
On Saturday, September 3, 2011 12:39:20 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote: On Sep 3, 5:39*am, Peter Keller wrote: which I find strange. *In my experience bicycling on the footpath is much more dangerous also for the bicyclist than bicycling on the road. Same here - even if it was legal to do so, I'd never cycle on the pavement as it is too slow and there are too many give way points. Agreed but surely So you admit you don't know, for a change. some people cycle on the pavements because they consider the roads and its drivers too dangerous and therefore are prepared to put up with the many inconveniences of pavement cycling? This is your theory. It seems unsupported by evidence. Most people I see cycling on pavements are youngsters on BMX/mtb's and small children on small childs bikes. Personally I disagree with them because pavement motoring also represents a danger to cyclists. Such emotive utterings. Drivers can't 'kill' cyclists with impunity, there are (mostly) consequernces to their actions wrt the law at least. When drivers mount pavements it's mostly 'cos there is a problem causing them to do so, they aren't (usually) driving down the pavement intent on killing pedestrians (or cyclists). Because of their vulnerability cyclists have to make difficult choices in an inequitable situation where drivers can kill them but they can't kill drivers. A cyclist can easily kill a car driver, there is (relatively) easy access to guns or knives .. I hope you don't _want_ to kill drivers 'cos I'm certain the vast majority of car drivers don't actually want to kill cyclists, no matter what the ****wits might say. -- Paul - xxx |
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Yet more pavement cycling
On Sep 4, 10:27*am, "Paul - xxx" wrote:
I hope you don't _want_ to kill drivers 'cos I'm certain the vast majority of car drivers don't actually want to kill cyclists, no matter what the ****wits might say. That seems to be my experience as well. In the last few months I have noticed far fewer drivers who are inconsiderate around cyclists. I don't know if it is down to our increased numbers, or their having kids and relations who cycle themselves now, or the Skyrides. At least around here, riding on the roads seems to have become much more pleasant. I can't seem to put my finger on why, but I am not complaining. Even the hoodies and dog walkers give you a wave when you make room for them. -- Simon Mason |
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Yet more pavement cycling
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 10:24:27 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:
That would be because they are using a child's toy as a form of transport - it isn't viable. A silly Victorian diversion. My child's toy is a very viable form of transport. -- If you are riding a bicycle you are winning. |
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Yet more pavement cycling
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:23:24 +0100, JNugent wrote:
On 04/09/2011 06:49, Peter Keller wrote: JNugent wrote: Peter Keller wrote: Mr Pounder wrote: wrote: http://tinyurl.com/455noac Perhaps they're just afraid of the traffic, or it could be that they couldn't care less about pedestrians, Both. which I find strange. In my experience bicycling on the footpath is much more dangerous also for the bicyclist than bicycling on the road. But that's not the issue, is it? It doesn't matter how "dangerous" it is for cyclists on the carriageway, it's still a selfish offence to cycle along the footway or through a pedestrian area. The answer to cyclist perception of "danger" is either to use a different route or to not cycle at all on that journey. I do use a different route. I bike on the road. That means that you don't have this overwhelming perception of imagined "danger", such as is attributed to selfish footway users as cited by people like Doug. And if *you* can see the imaginary "dangers" for what they are... I don't need my name to be in bold. I am only a bicyclist who uses my great form of transport for most off my in-town and close-town transport needs. and for beautiful wind-in-hair recreation. Any accidents I have had have been minor; scrapes, low-speed knock off bike etc, and none of those even for some years. No, I don't agree with people like Doug that biking in today's world is excessively dangerous. Of course the bicyclist, like any road user, should obey road rules, be visible, audible and predictable, and have a bike in good mechanical condition and always be able to stop without hitting something. -- If you are riding a bicycle you are winning. |
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