Courteous Mass, does it work?

On 19/08/2011 06:26, Doug wrote:
On 18-Aug-2011, wrote:

On Aug 18, 8:16 am, "Doug" wrote:
On 18-Aug-2011, "Paul - wrote:

Doug wrote:

Critical Mass has earned a reputation of being ugly and downright
mean
towards motorists. Therefore attempts have been made in several
cities
around the world to have a 'Courteous Mass' where riders go at a
slower pace, stop at red lights, obey all laws and are encouraged to
smile, wave and say “Thank you” to motorists. When it was tried in
San Diego however this is what happened...

I thought it wasn't organised?

Its not the same as Critical Mass, obviously.

and there were some defectors who thought the pace was too
slow."

Not everyone who goes on critical mass agrees with the leaders then?

Critical Mass is composed of individuals who do not always agree with
each
other but they can still function as an anarchic Mass.

It seems then that any large group of cyclists will be met with
anger
however polite and lawful they may try to be.

Their main intent being to close streets to vehicles means they are at
odds with the majority of people using the streets, no wonder people
get angry at them.

But a mass of cars also causes congestion so why should a mass of
cyclists
be treated differently?

'Courteous Mass' clearly demonstrates that any large group of cyclists
will
be treated as second-class road users who are bound to annoy motorists
and
taxi drivers who think they own the roads.


It is very courteous to block a major junction& wave your bikes in
the air, or decide to hold a picnic in the middle of a London bridge.
Any comment on these incidents whice are recorded on your CM web site?

Do you have a reading problem? 'Courteous Mass' and 'Critical Mass' are not
the same. The former do not wave their bikes in the air.

--
Critical Mass London.
http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
"More bikes, fewer cars!".

Glad we have got that straight 'Courteous Mass' don't wave their bikes
in the air as it is not courteous to do so.
As Critical Mass do do that, it means that CM are not courteous, but you
know that as you have been told time & time again.

On 18/08/2011 08:16, Doug wrote:
On 18-Aug-2011, "Paul - wrote:

Doug wrote:

Critical Mass has earned a reputation of being ugly and downright mean
towards motorists. Therefore attempts have been made in several cities
around the world to have a 'Courteous Mass' where riders go at a
slower pace, stop at red lights, obey all laws and are encouraged to
smile, wave and say “Thank you” to motorists. When it was tried in
San Diego however this is what happened...

I thought it wasn't organised?

Its not the same as Critical Mass, obviously.

and there were some defectors who thought the pace was too
slow."

Not everyone who goes on critical mass agrees with the leaders then?

Critical Mass is composed of individuals who do not always agree with each
other but they can still function as an anarchic Mass.

It seems then that any large group of cyclists will be met with anger
however polite and lawful they may try to be.

Their main intent being to close streets to vehicles means they are at
odds with the majority of people using the streets, no wonder people
get angry at them.

But a mass of cars also causes congestion so why should a mass of cyclists
be treated differently?

Because the former is a result of the overwhelming popularity of the car
and the latter is deliberate action by a bunch of arrogant ****s.

'Courteous Mass' clearly demonstrates that any large group of cyclists will
be treated as second-class road users who are bound to annoy motorists and
taxi drivers who think they own the roads.

Cyclists are second class road users. They pay **** all to use them.



--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

"Doug" writes:

Critical Mass has earned a reputation of being ugly and downright mean
towards motorists. Therefore attempts have been made in several cities
around the world to have a 'Courteous Mass'

It sounds like the Leicester Critical Mass, which is so courteous that
it also tries to confine itself to off-road cycle paths and cycle lanes
along deserted roads for as much of its pre-arranged route(s) as
possible. In the mass debate about whether to incorporate a picnic in a
park, the organisers eventually established that there is no [by]law
against it but were hesitant to give it the go-ahead on the grounds that
they didn't want to be perceived to be breaking non-existent rules!

As to whether it `works'---it depends on what the riders are trying to
achieve. If invisibility is the goal, then it appears (of fails to
appear) to be a roaring success.

where riders go at a slower pace, stop at red lights, obey all laws
and are encouraged to smile, wave and say “Thank you” to
motorists.

Apart from the red light bit, I do that stuff on any mass anyway. Of
course, the front practically always stop at red lights, too---sometimes
even for more than one phase...

--
Mark

On 19-Aug-2011, francis wrote:

See above. Motorists knowingly contribute to congestion and therefore
intentionally block roads and they do it 24/7, not just for a couple of
hours once a month like CM cyclists.

--
Critical Mass London.
*http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk
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Yes Doug, you must be right, I often see motorists waving their cars
in the air in the middle of a major junction, they do that just before
they hold a picnic on the road.

What is it you don't understand about Courteous Mass who don't wave their
bikes in the air?

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

On 18-Aug-2011, francis wrote:

'Courteous Mass' clearly demonstrates that any large group of cyclists
will
be treated as second-class road users who are bound to annoy motorists
and
taxi drivers who think they own the roads.


It is very courteous to block a major junction & wave your bikes in
the air, or decide to hold a picnic in the middle of a London bridge.
Any comment on these incidents whice are recorded on your CM web site?

Yes, they are nothing to do with 'Courteous Mass'. Why can't you tell the
difference?

Maybe one of the reasons Critical Mass exists is because any large group of
cyclists is bound to annoy motorists who suffer from road-rage when faced
with any delays and then become a serious danger to all. Why is such
motorist's behaviour tolerated by our justice system? Why are those
dangerous motorists who exhibit road-rage not removed from our roads
permanently? Cyclists don't kill motorists but are killed by motorists. This
inequity needs to be redressed in law.

-- .
UK Radical Campaigns.
http://www.zing.icom43.net
A driving licence is a licence to kill.

francis wrote in
:

Yes Doug, you must be right, I often see motorists waving
their cars in the air in the middle of a major junction,
they do that just before they hold a picnic on the road.

Were you lying when you told us you could prove that Jahbulon is not the
holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons?

http://tinyurl.com/3qscvcj

Do you have an interest in rights for motorists and Freemasonry?

--

Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html

francis wrote in
:

It is very courteous to block a major junction & wave
your bikes in the air, or decide to hold a picnic in
the middle of a London bridge. Any comment on these
incidents whice are recorded on your CM web site?

Were you lying when you told us you could prove that Jahbulon is not the
holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons?

http://tinyurl.com/3qscvcj

Are all Freemasons anti-bicycle?

--

Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html

On Sep 7, 8:38*pm, Pilotiin wrote:
francis wrote :

It is very courteous to block a major junction & wave
your bikes in the air, or decide to hold a picnic in
the middle of a London bridge. Any comment on these
incidents whice are recorded on your CM web site?

Were you lying when you told us you could prove that Jahbulon is not the
holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons?

http://tinyurl.com/3qscvcj

Are all Freemasons anti-bicycle?

--

Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html

If you thought that Doug, Cheerful, Mason & TMH were nuts, well they
have now slipped of first place, Pilotiin (or whatever name he is
using now) has arrived.

webreader wrote in
:

If you thought that Doug, Cheerful, Mason & TMH were nuts,
well they have now slipped of first place, Pilotiin (or
whatever name he is using now) has arrived.

Is being in favour of bicycle use a sign of madness now?

--

Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html

On 07/09/2011 22:05, Pilotiin wrote:
wrote in
:

If you thought that Doug, Cheerful, Mason& TMH were nuts,
well they have now slipped of first place, Pilotiin (or
whatever name he is using now) has arrived.

Is being in favour of bicycle use a sign of madness now?


I think that would depend on the cyclist.