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On 20/11/2011 12:55, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:25:48 -0000, "Jack wrote: "SB" wrote in message ... Today is Saturday and I have have been walking the streets of London doing Xmas shopping along with thousands of others. But I live here; most of the others are tourists. However London is very bad this year - there are too many cyclists without lights, riding on the pavements, and jumping the red lights. I used to be a keen cyclist having been brought up with National Cycling Proficiency at school, and at least reading the Highway Code. I WAS a keen cyclist - but now no more. And now-a-days I am gob-smacked at the selfishness of modern cyclists. This afternoon alone I have nearly been knocked over 5 times by cyclists without lights jumping the red traffic lights - when they have been green for me as a pedestrian. If I shout out after they just miss knocking me over all I get told is "fcuk off!" Nice, This reduces my sympathy for cyclists to zero. As a responsible cyclist, who stops at traffic lights, carries lights and fluorescent clothing and reflectors and respects other users of the road (and pavements) I share your irritation with the morons who give us all a bad name. May I recommend that you carry a sturdy walking stick when out as a pedestrian. When one of these selfish scum ignores the rules of the road simply insert it between the spokes. It will focus the mind as the cranium makes contact with the road surface. ;-) You should also ensure that your insurance covers you for assault causing actual bodily harm. If it doesn't then it's probably best not to try this as it could be very expensive indeed. Guy And of course the cyclist who assaults you while riding through a pedestrian crossing in the green man phase will also have insurance. |
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On 20/11/2011 12:55, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:25:48 -0000, "Jack wrote: "SB" wrote in message ... Today is Saturday and I have have been walking the streets of London doing Xmas shopping along with thousands of others. But I live here; most of the others are tourists. However London is very bad this year - there are too many cyclists without lights, riding on the pavements, and jumping the red lights. I used to be a keen cyclist having been brought up with National Cycling Proficiency at school, and at least reading the Highway Code. I WAS a keen cyclist - but now no more. And now-a-days I am gob-smacked at the selfishness of modern cyclists. This afternoon alone I have nearly been knocked over 5 times by cyclists without lights jumping the red traffic lights - when they have been green for me as a pedestrian. If I shout out after they just miss knocking me over all I get told is "fcuk off!" Nice, This reduces my sympathy for cyclists to zero. As a responsible cyclist, who stops at traffic lights, carries lights and fluorescent clothing and reflectors and respects other users of the road (and pavements) I share your irritation with the morons who give us all a bad name. May I recommend that you carry a sturdy walking stick when out as a pedestrian. When one of these selfish scum ignores the rules of the road simply insert it between the spokes. It will focus the mind as the cranium makes contact with the road surface. ;-) You should also ensure that your insurance covers you for assault causing actual bodily harm. If it doesn't then it's probably best not to try this as it could be very expensive indeed. Do you want pedestrians to be able and prepared to defend themselves, or not? Or must they simply be resigned to the fact that the aggressors will always get away with it? |
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On 20/11/2011 13:37, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:27:45 -0000, wrote: You should also ensure that your insurance covers you for assault causing actual bodily harm. If it doesn't then it's probably best not to try this as it could be very expensive indeed. Most people would know that (as a matter of public policy) you cannot insure against a criminal act carried out intentionally. That was very much the point I was making. It is the moral equivalent of using a baseball bat on shoplifters. It might be superficially satisfying but it is disproportionate and illegal. What would be "proportionate"? Other than letting them continue to get away with it. |
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JNugent wrote:
On 20/11/2011 12:55, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:25:48 -0000, "Jack wrote: "SB" wrote in message ... Today is Saturday and I have have been walking the streets of London doing Xmas shopping along with thousands of others. But I live here; most of the others are tourists. However London is very bad this year - there are too many cyclists without lights, riding on the pavements, and jumping the red lights. I used to be a keen cyclist having been brought up with National Cycling Proficiency at school, and at least reading the Highway Code. I WAS a keen cyclist - but now no more. And now-a-days I am gob-smacked at the selfishness of modern cyclists. This afternoon alone I have nearly been knocked over 5 times by cyclists without lights jumping the red traffic lights - when they have been green for me as a pedestrian. If I shout out after they just miss knocking me over all I get told is "fcuk off!" Nice, This reduces my sympathy for cyclists to zero. As a responsible cyclist, who stops at traffic lights, carries lights and fluorescent clothing and reflectors and respects other users of the road (and pavements) I share your irritation with the morons who give us all a bad name. May I recommend that you carry a sturdy walking stick when out as a pedestrian. When one of these selfish scum ignores the rules of the road simply insert it between the spokes. It will focus the mind as the cranium makes contact with the road surface. ;-) You should also ensure that your insurance covers you for assault causing actual bodily harm. If it doesn't then it's probably best not to try this as it could be very expensive indeed. Do you want pedestrians to be able and prepared to defend themselves, or not? Or must they simply be resigned to the fact that the aggressors will always get away with it? and who is the vulnerable victim here? |
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On Nov 20, 1:27*pm, "Robin" wrote:
You should also ensure that your insurance covers you for assault causing actual bodily harm. If it doesn't then it's probably best not to try this as it could be very expensive indeed. Most people would know that (as a matter of public policy) you cannot insure against a criminal act carried out intentionally. *I do hope the Lycra is not restricting the blood supply. But I do agree it is an action best taken by people with little or nothing to lose. *I have, for example, a little list of crossings I intend to visit with my stout walking stick if I ever have the "best put your affairs in order a.s.a.p." talk with the doctor. I would go on a series of luxury holidays if I had such news, not go around assaulting other people. Still, it would be your own time you would be wasting. -- Simon Mason |
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On 20/11/2011 12:25, Jack Taylor wrote:
"SB" wrote in message ... Today is Saturday and I have have been walking the streets of London doing Xmas shopping along with thousands of others. But I live here; most of the others are tourists. However London is very bad this year - there are too many cyclists without lights, riding on the pavements, and jumping the red lights. I used to be a keen cyclist having been brought up with National Cycling Proficiency at school, and at least reading the Highway Code. I WAS a keen cyclist - but now no more. And now-a-days I am gob-smacked at the selfishness of modern cyclists. This afternoon alone I have nearly been knocked over 5 times by cyclists without lights jumping the red traffic lights - when they have been green for me as a pedestrian. If I shout out after they just miss knocking me over all I get told is "fcuk off!" Nice, This reduces my sympathy for cyclists to zero. As a responsible cyclist, who stops at traffic lights, carries lights and fluorescent clothing and reflectors and respects other users of the road (and pavements) I share your irritation with the morons who give us all a bad name. May I recommend that you carry a sturdy walking stick when out as a pedestrian. When one of these selfish scum ignores the rules of the road simply insert it between the spokes. It will focus the mind as the cranium makes contact with the road surface. ;-) Its not physically possible for a bicyclist to land on his/her head. The human body is specifically designed to prevent this. -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster University |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:55:05 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:25:48 -0000, "Jack Taylor" wrote: "SB" wrote in message ... Today is Saturday and I have have been walking the streets of London doing Xmas shopping along with thousands of others. But I live here; most of the others are tourists. However London is very bad this year - there are too many cyclists without lights, riding on the pavements, and jumping the red lights. I used to be a keen cyclist having been brought up with National Cycling Proficiency at school, and at least reading the Highway Code. I WAS a keen cyclist - but now no more. And now-a-days I am gob-smacked at the selfishness of modern cyclists. This afternoon alone I have nearly been knocked over 5 times by cyclists without lights jumping the red traffic lights - when they have been green for me as a pedestrian. If I shout out after they just miss knocking me over all I get told is "fcuk off!" Nice, This reduces my sympathy for cyclists to zero. As a responsible cyclist, who stops at traffic lights, carries lights and fluorescent clothing and reflectors and respects other users of the road (and pavements) I share your irritation with the morons who give us all a bad name. May I recommend that you carry a sturdy walking stick when out as a pedestrian. When one of these selfish scum ignores the rules of the road simply insert it between the spokes. It will focus the mind as the cranium makes contact with the road surface. ;-) You should also ensure that your insurance covers you for assault causing actual bodily harm. If it doesn't then it's probably best not to try this as it could be very expensive indeed. I have done it a couple of times - by accident of course :-) As the cyclists nearly hit me - I lurched to one side - unfortunately the wrong way, and my umbrella caught the spokes. The cyclists fell off. One of them called me a **** - the other said sorry. Oh by the way; if you have never come across him before : Porky Chapman is not qualified to offer legal advice. He is one of the resident ****wits in urc. -- Total number of posts to URC from IP Address:80.254.146.36 over 6 years = 7 Guy Chapman : 5 Lou Knee: 2 Coincidence? (Guy Chapman Dell Magnet) |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:27:45 -0000, "Robin" wrote:
You should also ensure that your insurance covers you for assault causing actual bodily harm. If it doesn't then it's probably best not to try this as it could be very expensive indeed. Most people would know that (as a matter of public policy) you cannot insure against a criminal act carried out intentionally. I do hope the Lycra is not restricting the blood supply. The Porker (as he is known) has a habit of posting incorrect legal advice. He thinks he is an expert - but best to take anything he says with a pinch of salt. -- "I have never said that I encourage my children to wear helmets. I would challenge judith to find the place where I said I encourage my children to wear helmets." Guy Chapman Judith then produced the web page where he said "I encourage my children to wear helmets." Later that day Chapman immediately added the following to the web page: "This page is out of date and preserved only for convenience" but he left the date last updated as 31/08/2004. (Guy Chapman Dell Magnet) |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:37:41 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:27:45 -0000, "Robin" wrote: You should also ensure that your insurance covers you for assault causing actual bodily harm. If it doesn't then it's probably best not to try this as it could be very expensive indeed. Most people would know that (as a matter of public policy) you cannot insure against a criminal act carried out intentionally. That was very much the point I was making. Now then Porky : of course you were. It is amazing the amount of "incorrect" legal advice you have to post - to "make a point" :-) I suppose if the point you are trying to make, is that you are a ****wit, then the posts are on the right lines. -- Total number of posts to URC from IP Address:80.254.146.36 over 6 years = 7 Guy Chapman : 5 Lou Knee: 2 Coincidence? (Guy Chapman Dell Magnet) |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:40:10 -0000, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote: On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:27:45 -0000, "Robin" wrote: You should also ensure that your insurance covers you for assault causing actual bodily harm. If it doesn't then it's probably best not to try this as it could be very expensive indeed. Most people would know that (as a matter of public policy) you cannot insure against a criminal act carried out intentionally. That was very much the point I was making. It is the moral equivalent of using a baseball bat on shoplifters. It might be superficially satisfying but it is disproportionate and illegal. Guy the cyclist won't lose, their own household insurance will cover any losses they suffer. Indeed - I understand that it is usually the fridge freezer insurance that comes in to play if you are a cyclist, for some obscure historical reason. Well - that is what we have effectively been told. -- Total number of posts to URC from IP Address:80.254.146.36 over 6 years = 7 Guy Chapman : 5 Lou Knee: 2 Coincidence? (Guy Chapman Dell Magnet) |
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