The needs of cyclists in London constantly being ignored?

For some time now cyclists have been denied adequate river crossings
across the Thames below Tower Bridge, while motorists are favoured
with several. This morning there was an announcement of a new river
crossing in the form of nice little cable cars which would still not
appear to be adequate for cyclists.

"London 2012: Thames cable car work to start in summer

Work to build a £50m cable car across the River Thames in London,
linking two Olympic venues, will begin this summer.

Transport for London (TfL) said it was "striving" to complete the
connection before next year's Games but warned this would be "an
extremely challenging timeline for a complex project".

It will run from the O2 arena in North Greenwich to the Excel
exhibition centre at the Royal Victoria Docks.

It will be part of the Oyster card network but fares have yet to be
set..."

Mo
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13113801

Doug.

On Apr 18, 3:05*pm, Doug wrote:
For some time now cyclists have been denied adequate river crossings
across the Thames below Tower Bridge, while motorists are favoured
with several. This morning there was an announcement of a new river
crossing in the form of nice little cable cars which would still not
appear to be adequate for cyclists.

"London 2012: Thames cable car work to start in summer

Work to build a £50m cable car across the River Thames in London,
linking two Olympic venues, will begin this summer.

Transport for London (TfL) said it was "striving" to complete the
connection before next year's Games but warned this would be "an
extremely challenging timeline for a complex project".

It will run from the O2 arena in North Greenwich to the Excel
exhibition centre at the Royal Victoria Docks.

It will be part of the Oyster card network but fares have yet to be
set..."

Mohttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13113801

Doug.

Dartford crossing cycles yes motors yes
Tilbury ferry cycles yes motors no
DLR cycles no motors no
Woolwich tunnel cycles yes motors no
Woolwich ferry cycles yes motors yes
Jubilee line cycles no motors no
Rotherhithe Tunnels cycles no motors yes
Blackwell Tunnel Cycles no motors yes
overground cycles yes motors no
Totals 5 4

"maresh" wrote in message
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On Apr 18, 3:05 pm, Doug wrote:
For some time now cyclists have been denied adequate river crossings
across the Thames below Tower Bridge, while motorists are favoured
with several. This morning there was an announcement of a new river
crossing in the form of nice little cable cars which would still not
appear to be adequate for cyclists.

"London 2012: Thames cable car work to start in summer

Work to build a £50m cable car across the River Thames in London,
linking two Olympic venues, will begin this summer.

Transport for London (TfL) said it was "striving" to complete the
connection before next year's Games but warned this would be "an
extremely challenging timeline for a complex project".

It will run from the O2 arena in North Greenwich to the Excel
exhibition centre at the Royal Victoria Docks.

It will be part of the Oyster card network but fares have yet to be
set..."

Mohttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13113801

Doug.

Dartford crossing cycles yes motors yes
Tilbury ferry cycles yes motors no
DLR cycles no motors no
Woolwich tunnel cycles yes motors no
Woolwich ferry cycles yes motors yes
Jubilee line cycles no motors no
Rotherhithe Tunnels cycles no motors yes
Blackwell Tunnel Cycles no motors yes
overground cycles yes motors no
Totals 5 4

Or you could use a bus or train like I do whenever I'm travelling in central
London. Nobody is forcing anyone to cycle.

On Apr 18, 3:45*pm, maresh wrote:
On Apr 18, 3:05*pm, Doug wrote:



For some time now cyclists have been denied adequate river crossings
across the Thames below Tower Bridge, while motorists are favoured
with several. This morning there was an announcement of a new river
crossing in the form of nice little cable cars which would still not
appear to be adequate for cyclists.

"London 2012: Thames cable car work to start in summer

Work to build a £50m cable car across the River Thames in London,
linking two Olympic venues, will begin this summer.

Transport for London (TfL) said it was "striving" to complete the
connection before next year's Games but warned this would be "an
extremely challenging timeline for a complex project".

It will run from the O2 arena in North Greenwich to the Excel
exhibition centre at the Royal Victoria Docks.

It will be part of the Oyster card network but fares have yet to be
set..."

Mohttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13113801

Doug.

Dartford crossing * * * cycles *yes * * motors *yes

Cyclists have to dismount and be transported across in a van, i.e.
they can't cycle across

Tilbury ferry * * * * * cycles *yes * * motors *no
DLR * * * * * * * * * * cycles *no * * *motors *no
Woolwich tunnel cycles *yes * * motors no

Cyclists must dismount and walk.

Woolwich ferry * * * * *cycles *yes * * motors yes
Jubilee line * * * * * *cycles *no * * *motors *no
Rotherhithe Tunnels * * cycles *no * * *motors *yes
Blackwell Tunnel * * * *Cycles *no * * *motors *yes
overground * * * * * * *cycles *yes * * motors *no
Totals * * * * * * * * * * * * *5 * * * * * * * 4

Revised totals 3 4

Doug

On Apr 18, 7:04*pm, Doug wrote:
On Apr 18, 3:45*pm, maresh wrote:

On Apr 18, 3:05*pm, Doug wrote:

For some time now cyclists have been denied adequate river crossings
across the Thames below Tower Bridge, while motorists are favoured
with several. This morning there was an announcement of a new river
crossing in the form of nice little cable cars which would still not
appear to be adequate for cyclists.

"London 2012: Thames cable car work to start in summer

Work to build a £50m cable car across the River Thames in London,
linking two Olympic venues, will begin this summer.

Transport for London (TfL) said it was "striving" to complete the
connection before next year's Games but warned this would be "an
extremely challenging timeline for a complex project".

It will run from the O2 arena in North Greenwich to the Excel
exhibition centre at the Royal Victoria Docks.

It will be part of the Oyster card network but fares have yet to be
set..."

Mohttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13113801

Doug.

Dartford crossing * * * cycles *yes * * motors *yes

Cyclists have to dismount and be transported across in a van, i.e.
they can't cycle across

Tilbury ferry * * * * * cycles *yes * * motors *no
DLR * * * * * * * * * * cycles *no * * *motors *no
Woolwich tunnel cycles *yes * * motors no

Cyclists must dismount and walk.

Woolwich ferry * * * * *cycles *yes * * motors yes
Jubilee line * * * * * *cycles *no * * *motors *no
Rotherhithe Tunnels * * cycles *no * * *motors *yes
Blackwell Tunnel * * * *Cycles *no * * *motors *yes
overground * * * * * * *cycles *yes * * motors *no
Totals * * * * * * * * * * * * *5 * * * * * * * 4

Revised totals * * * * * * * * 3 * * * * * * *4

Doug

Revised totals not correct, cyclists can cross with their cycles.
You posted about the new crossing, can you cycle accross it?

On 18/04/2011 15:05, Doug wrote:
For some time now cyclists have been denied adequate river crossings
across the Thames below Tower Bridge, while motorists are favoured
with several.

That would be because motorists pay for them & cyclists are sponging gits.


This morning there was an announcement of a new river
crossing in the form of nice little cable cars which would still not
appear to be adequate for cyclists.

Who gives a ****? Start paying to use the roads & you can have a say.
Till then shut up.



--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:09:33 +0100, The Medway Handyman wrote:



Who gives a ****? Start paying to use the roads & you can have a say.
Till then shut up.

No I won't.



--
67.4% of statistics are made up.

On Apr 18, 8:08*pm, maresh wrote:
On Apr 18, 7:04*pm, Doug wrote:



On Apr 18, 3:45*pm, maresh wrote:

On Apr 18, 3:05*pm, Doug wrote:

For some time now cyclists have been denied adequate river crossings
across the Thames below Tower Bridge, while motorists are favoured
with several. This morning there was an announcement of a new river
crossing in the form of nice little cable cars which would still not
appear to be adequate for cyclists.

"London 2012: Thames cable car work to start in summer

Work to build a £50m cable car across the River Thames in London,
linking two Olympic venues, will begin this summer.

Transport for London (TfL) said it was "striving" to complete the
connection before next year's Games but warned this would be "an
extremely challenging timeline for a complex project".

It will run from the O2 arena in North Greenwich to the Excel
exhibition centre at the Royal Victoria Docks.

It will be part of the Oyster card network but fares have yet to be
set..."

Mohttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-13113801

Doug.

Dartford crossing * * * cycles *yes * * motors *yes

Cyclists have to dismount and be transported across in a van, i.e.
they can't cycle across

Tilbury ferry * * * * * cycles *yes * * motors *no
DLR * * * * * * * * * * cycles *no * * *motors *no
Woolwich tunnel cycles *yes * * motors no

Cyclists must dismount and walk.

Woolwich ferry * * * * *cycles *yes * * motors yes
Jubilee line * * * * * *cycles *no * * *motors *no
Rotherhithe Tunnels * * cycles *no * * *motors *yes
Blackwell Tunnel * * * *Cycles *no * * *motors *yes
overground * * * * * * *cycles *yes * * motors *no
Totals * * * * * * * * * * * * *5 * * * * * * * 4

Revised totals * * * * * * * * 3 * * * * * * *4

Doug

Revised totals not correct, cyclists can cross with their cycles.
You posted about the new crossing, can you cycle accross it?

The point you are missing is that originally a bridge was proposed for
the Olympics which would have carried cyclists as well as pedestrians.
The Cable Car is a lame attempt at a substitute but which doesn't
accommodate cyclists, apparently..

Also, like the Woolwich ferry, if the cable car could carry cyclists
they would not have to walk and thereby become a pedestrian, as they
do in the tunnels.

Doug.

On 18 apr, 21:09, The Medway Handyman
wrote:
On 18/04/2011 15:05, Doug wrote:

For some time now cyclists have been denied adequate river crossings
across the Thames below Tower Bridge, while motorists are favoured
with several.

That would be because motorists pay for them & cyclists are sponging gits..

This morning there was an announcement of a new river
crossing in the form of nice little cable cars which would still not
appear to be adequate for cyclists.

Who gives a ****? *Start paying to use the roads & you can have a say.
Till then shut up.

--
Dave - The Medway Handymanwww.medwayhandyman.co.uk

You take great pride in your ignorance, Medway Hominid. Good for you!

Given your abject and public failure to grasp the concept of simple
percentages, it will be difficult for you to comprehend the following
point (which has previously been made in this newsgroup).

VED does not cover the spending upon roads. The corollary of that fact
is that non-car owning taxpayers subsidise (partially pay for) roads
used by payers of VED. Cyclists pay for the roads. Have your say
cyclists. Thanks for your permission, my semi-evolved friend. Are
those thumbs of yours opposable?

On 20/04/2011 16:58, Front Mech wrote:
On 18 apr, 21:09, The Medway
wrote:
On 18/04/2011 15:05, Doug wrote:

For some time now cyclists have been denied adequate river crossings
across the Thames below Tower Bridge, while motorists are favoured
with several.

That would be because motorists pay for them& cyclists are sponging gits.

This morning there was an announcement of a new river
crossing in the form of nice little cable cars which would still not
appear to be adequate for cyclists.

Who gives a ****? Start paying to use the roads& you can have a say.
Till then shut up.

--
Dave - The Medway Handymanwww.medwayhandyman.co.uk

You take great pride in your ignorance, Medway Hominid. Good for you!

Given your abject and public failure to grasp the concept of simple
percentages, it will be difficult for you to comprehend the following
point (which has previously been made in this newsgroup).

VED does not cover the spending upon roads.

It is, however, a relatively small percentage of the total tax paid by
motorised road-users and I'm sure you wouldn't want to focus on only a small
part of the total road-related tax-take in order to try to bolster the dodgy
"point" you tried to make above.

For the bigger-ticket items, check out the amount of fuel duty (and VAT on
both the factor cost and the duty) paid by the operators/users/owners of
motor vehicles.

One example: I hand over something in the order of fifteen to twenty times
more in fuel taxes than I do in traditional road tax.

Nationally, the amount collected several times the amount spent on building
and maintaining roads (not that much has been spent on building roads these
last fifteen years or so).

The corollary of that fact
is that non-car owning taxpayers subsidise (partially pay for) roads
used by payers of VED.

Not really.

Not unless they each guzzle a few gallons (at least) of unleaded petrol every
day.