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Old November 19th 11, 11:41 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bertie Wooster
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A review of all junctions on London's cycle superhighways has been
ordered following the deaths of two cyclists within a month.

The news comes as around 200 cycling campaigners held a vigil for the
victims - Brian Dorling, 58, and a 34-year-old woman - at 18:00 GMT at
the Bow Roundabout.

Mr Dorling, of Hounslow, was killed on 24 October while the woman
cyclist died on 11 November.

Kulveer Ranger, Mayor Boris Johnson's director of environment, said
London is seeing "unprecedented levels of cycling" and Transport for
London (TfL) is looking into the issue of safety.

He said: "Work is beginning on how London gears up to move to the next
level of cycling infrastructure and continuing to improve safety for
cyclists.

"This includes a commitment from TfL to review all major schemes
planned on TfL roads as well as to review all the junctions on the
existing cycle superhighways.

"That work will include an assessment of Bow Roundabout, which TfL
have been asked to report back to the mayor on as a matter of
urgency."

'Unclear and difficult'
More details have also emerged about the recommendations made to TfL
about the junction.

I have been given a document written by the Jacobs consultancy for TfL
prior to the installation of Cycling Superhighway 2 (CS2).

It highlighted some problems cyclists could face, including "high
traffic flows and speeds on Bow Roundabout" and the view that
"continuation to and from the cycle route is unclear and difficult".

The recommendations about what should be done are very clear.

The document says Toucan crossings should be installed on the north
and south sides of the roundabout.

And "off-carriageway cycle lanes" should be provided around the
roundabout, to "encourage less confident cyclists to use the route".

Neither of these were acted on in the implementation of CS2. So
someone made a decision to ignore the advice of TfL's own traffic
consultants.

The Greens on the London Assembly say they now want a clear and honest
account of who made the decision not to proceed with these changes,
and whether either the mayor's advisers - or mayoral direction -
influenced the choices made.

The Greens made it clear, as I mentioned in a recent article, that
they believe the smoothing traffic flow policy has affected the
decision.

On Wednesday that was denied by Mr Johnson who said any decisions on
this roundabout had not been referred to him.

Ashok Sinha, from the London Cycling Campaign, said: "These documents
show that Transport for London were clearly advised by their own
consultants, as well as the London Cycling Campaign, to provide safe
signalised crossings and off-carriageway cycle lanes at Bow
Roundabout.

"The mayor has to explain why these measures were not carried out.

"We are calling for an immediate re-design of the junction to reduce
the road danger and prevent any more tragic deaths."

According to John Biggs, the Labour London Assembly member for City
and East, we will know within a week the results of TfL's safety
review of the junction.


www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15798634
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Old November 19th 11, 01:25 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:41:42 +0000, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

The news comes as around 200 cycling campaigners held a vigil for the
victims - Brian Dorling, 58, and a 34-year-old woman - at 18:00 GMT at
the Bow Roundabout.


Looked more like a hundred to me, but people did come and go and there
were two or three knots of cyclists round the edges.

Guy
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Old November 19th 11, 02:59 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:25:04 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:41:42 +0000, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

The news comes as around 200 cycling campaigners held a vigil for the
victims - Brian Dorling, 58, and a 34-year-old woman - at 18:00 GMT at
the Bow Roundabout.


Looked more like a hundred to me, but people did come and go and there
were two or three knots of cyclists round the edges.


I know at least ten people who were there.
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Old November 19th 11, 03:27 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 19/11/2011 10:41, Bertie Wooster wrote:
A review of all junctions on London's cycle superhighways has been
ordered following the deaths of two cyclists within a month.

The news comes as around 200 cycling campaigners held a vigil for the
victims - Brian Dorling, 58, and a 34-year-old woman - at 18:00 GMT at
the Bow Roundabout.


OMG! 0.0026% of London's population!!!!!!!

Presumably the other 99.9974% don't give a ****.




SNIP

He said: "Work is beginning on how London gears up to move to the next
level of cycling infrastructure and continuing to improve safety for
cyclists.


Easily done. Ban cycling during the rush hour.

SNIP

I have been given a document written by the Jacobs consultancy for TfL
prior to the installation of Cycling Superhighway 2 (CS2).

It highlighted some problems cyclists could face, including "high
traffic flows and speeds on Bow Roundabout" and the view that
"continuation to and from the cycle route is unclear and difficult".


Not surprisin. A push bike isn't a viable form of transport.

The recommendations about what should be done are very clear.

The document says Toucan crossings should be installed on the north
and south sides of the roundabout.


To cater for those stupid enough to ride push bikes. At the expense of
those too sensible to.

And "off-carriageway cycle lanes" should be provided around the
roundabout, to "encourage less confident cyclists to use the route".


To cater for those stupid enough to ride push bikes. At the expense of
those too sensible to.


Neither of these were acted on in the implementation of CS2. So
someone made a decision to ignore the advice of TfL's own traffic
consultants.


Good. Someone was intent on not wasting public money on a tiny minority.

The Greens on the London Assembly say they now want a clear and honest
account of who made the decision not to proceed with these changes,
and whether either the mayor's advisers - or mayoral direction -
influenced the choices made.

The Greens made it clear, as I mentioned in a recent article, that
they believe the smoothing traffic flow policy has affected the
decision.


But nobody cares what the tree huggers say anyway.

On Wednesday that was denied by Mr Johnson who said any decisions on
this roundabout had not been referred to him.

Ashok Sinha, from the London Cycling Campaign, said: "These documents
show that Transport for London were clearly advised by their own
consultants, as well as the London Cycling Campaign, to provide safe
signalised crossings and off-carriageway cycle lanes at Bow
Roundabout.

"The mayor has to explain why these measures were not carried out.

"We are calling for an immediate re-design of the junction to reduce
the road danger and prevent any more tragic deaths."


Nice cheap solution. Large sign saying "Unsuitable for pushbikes".

According to John Biggs, the Labour London Assembly member for City
and East, we will know within a week the results of TfL's safety
review of the junction.


www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15798634



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vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
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Old November 19th 11, 03:29 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 19/11/2011 13:59, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:25:04 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:41:42 +0000, Bertie
wrote:

The news comes as around 200 cycling campaigners held a vigil for the
victims - Brian Dorling, 58, and a 34-year-old woman - at 18:00 GMT at
the Bow Roundabout.


Looked more like a hundred to me, but people did come and go and there
were two or three knots of cyclists round the edges.


I know at least ten people who were there.


10 of the 0.0026% of London's population? Wow. Power to the people.


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legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University
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Old November 19th 11, 03:31 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason[_4_]
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On Nov 19, 1:59*pm, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:25:04 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"

wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:41:42 +0000, Bertie Wooster
wrote:


The news comes as around 200 cycling campaigners held a vigil for the
victims - Brian Dorling, 58, and a 34-year-old woman - at 18:00 GMT at
the Bow Roundabout.


Looked more like a hundred to me, but people did come and go and there
were two or three knots of cyclists round the edges.


I know at least ten people who were there.


Bring them along when we go for a few pints with Guy :-)
Should be a big turnout as well.

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Old November 19th 11, 05:53 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:25:04 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:41:42 +0000, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

The news comes as around 200 cycling campaigners held a vigil for the
victims - Brian Dorling, 58, and a 34-year-old woman - at 18:00 GMT at
the Bow Roundabout.


Looked more like a hundred to me, but people did come and go and there
were two or three knots of cyclists round the edges.

Guy



My thoughts are with their families.

I see your comments on the "problem" in uk.legal.moderated have generated
loads of interest and comments.

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Guy Chapman : 5
Lou Knee: 2

Coincidence?
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Old November 19th 11, 05:55 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason[_4_]
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On Nov 19, 12:25*pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:41:42 +0000, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

The news comes as around 200 cycling campaigners held a vigil for the
victims - Brian Dorling, 58, and a 34-year-old woman - at 18:00 GMT at
the Bow Roundabout.


Looked more like a hundred to me, but people did come and go and there
were two or three knots of cyclists round the edges.

Guy
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to be worth at least what you paid for them.


The video I saw today looked like it was a bumper turnout and a real
show of cycling strength.

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Old November 19th 11, 05:56 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Mick the Moderator wrote:


Nothing of any use ..

Your replies are worse than the symptom.

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Old November 19th 11, 06:05 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 19/11/2011 14:31, Simon Mason wrote:
On Nov 19, 1:59 pm, Bertie wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:25:04 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"

wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:41:42 +0000, Bertie
wrote:


The news comes as around 200 cycling campaigners held a vigil for the
victims - Brian Dorling, 58, and a 34-year-old woman - at 18:00 GMT at
the Bow Roundabout.


Looked more like a hundred to me, but people did come and go and there
were two or three knots of cyclists round the edges.


I know at least ten people who were there.


Bring them along when we go for a few pints with Guy :-)
Should be a big turnout as well.

--
Simon Mason


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and excitedly yells, with a French accent, "Ze Plane! Ze Plane!" and
rings a bell.
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vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University
 




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