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Old November 21st 11, 11:29 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
The Medicated Handyman[_2_]
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Default Three quarters of motorists don't think cyclists should pay roadtax

most motorists appear to have the common sense to realise that
discouraging cycling will only make life worse for them

only 25% are too stupid to see the obvious

http://uk.autoblog.com/2011/11/21/a-...-pay-road-tax/

"Where to start? Motorists don't pay road tax - they pay car tax. Roads
are paid for from general and local taxation, so everyone pays. Vehicle
Excise Duty, which I assume is what they mean, is emissions based, so
cycles would be zero rated if they were included. Most adult cyclists
are motorists too, so they do pay VED for a car they're not driving when
they cycle. Motorists kill hundreds of cyclists a year; the reverse is
almost unheard of. And, at worst, cyclists delay motorists from joining
the back of the next jam (that the cyclist shortened by not driving).
Consfused? I'll say they are."
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Old November 22nd 11, 06:24 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason[_4_]
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Default Three quarters of motorists don't think cyclists should pay road tax

On Nov 21, 10:29Â*pm, The Medicated Handyman
wrote:
most motorists appear to have the common sense to realise that
discouraging cycling will only make life worse for them

only 25% are too stupid to see the obvious


"Insurance comparison firm Confused.com has provoked a storm of
criticism from both cyclists and drivers alike with a ham-fisted and
error-strewn press release aimed at promoting an equally confused road
safety campaign and ostensibly highlighting the problem of road rage
on Britain’s roads which has instead managed to alienate – not to
mention confuse – almost everyone at whom it was aimed.

Those errors as a simple list for the easily confused:
â–* Dodgy maths – Confused.com can't even read their own stats properly
â–* Dodgy facts – road tax doesn't exist and hasn't done since 1937
â–* Dodgy puns – "Cyclo-Paths" Ouch!
â–* Dodgy division between drivers and cyclists Confused are too
confused to realise that most cyclists also drive
â–* Dodgy Lycra - what is he wearing at the start of that video? (not
that it's a bad vid which only adds to the confusion)
â–* Dodgy inability to admit your error with a woeful and illogical non-
retraction

http://road.cc/content/news/48078-co...acularly-wrong

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Old November 22nd 11, 08:42 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Doug[_3_]
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Default Three quarters of motorists don't think cyclists should pay road tax

On Nov 21, 10:29*pm, The Medicated Handyman
wrote:
most motorists appear to have the common sense to realise that
discouraging cycling will only make life worse for them

only 25% are too stupid to see the obvious

http://uk.autoblog.com/2011/11/21/a-...want-cyclists-...

"Where to start? Motorists don't pay road tax - they pay car tax. Roads
are paid for from general and local taxation, so everyone pays. Vehicle
Excise Duty, which I assume is what they mean, is emissions based, so
cycles would be zero rated if they were included. Most adult cyclists
are motorists too, so they do pay VED for a car they're not driving when
they cycle. Motorists kill hundreds of cyclists a year; the reverse is
almost unheard of. And, at worst, cyclists delay motorists from joining
the back of the next jam (that the cyclist shortened by not driving).
Consfused? I'll say they are."

I was saddened to be reminded that 'Most adult cyclists are motorists
too'. How can they, with any clear conscience, climb back behind the
wheel after sampling cycling in Britain today, to rejoin the ranks of
the potential killers and injurers who treat cyclists as scum?

Doug.


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Old November 22nd 11, 09:55 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Dave - Cyclists VOR
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Default Three quarters of motorists don't think cyclists should pay roadtax

On 21/11/2011 22:29, The Medicated Handyman wrote:
most motorists appear to have the common sense to realise that
discouraging cycling will only make life worse for them

only 25% are too stupid to see the obvious

http://uk.autoblog.com/2011/11/21/a-...-pay-road-tax/


"Where to start?


Install brain?

Motorists don't pay road tax - they pay car tax.


You can own as many cars as you like, you only pay Road Tax if you want
to use them on the Road.

Roads
are paid for from general and local taxation, so everyone pays.


And where does the money come from? Motorists.

Wriggle all you like, but motorists pay a specific EXTRA tax to use a
car on the Road.


Vehicle
Excise Duty, which I assume is what they mean, is emissions based, so
cycles would be zero rated if they were included.


VED is a simple name change so the Guvmint can fleece motorists by
claiming to be 'green'.


Most adult cyclists
are motorists too, so they do pay VED for a car they're not driving when
they cycle.


Road tax applies to each vehicle, not the driver.


Motorists kill hundreds of cyclists a year; the reverse is
almost unheard of.


115 cyclists were killed in 2008. 33,000,000 motorists doing 12,000
mile per year.

1 fatality in 3,443,478,261 miles driven.

Most caused by bicyclists insisting on the use of a non viable form of
transport.


And, at worst, cyclists delay motorists from joining
the back of the next jam (that the cyclist shortened by not driving).


If we got rid of bicyclist lanes, bus lanes & all the other nonsense
cars would flow more freely.



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Old November 22nd 11, 09:58 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Dave - Cyclists VOR
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Default Three quarters of motorists don't think cyclists should pay roadtax

On 22/11/2011 07:42, Doug wrote:
On Nov 21, 10:29 pm, The Medicated
wrote:
most motorists appear to have the common sense to realise that
discouraging cycling will only make life worse for them

only 25% are too stupid to see the obvious

http://uk.autoblog.com/2011/11/21/a-...want-cyclists-...

"Where to start? Motorists don't pay road tax - they pay car tax. Roads
are paid for from general and local taxation, so everyone pays. Vehicle
Excise Duty, which I assume is what they mean, is emissions based, so
cycles would be zero rated if they were included. Most adult cyclists
are motorists too, so they do pay VED for a car they're not driving when
they cycle. Motorists kill hundreds of cyclists a year; the reverse is
almost unheard of. And, at worst, cyclists delay motorists from joining
the back of the next jam (that the cyclist shortened by not driving).
Consfused? I'll say they are."

I was saddened to be reminded that 'Most adult cyclists are motorists
too'.


So was I - they should know better.

How can they, with any clear conscience, climb back behind the
wheel after sampling cycling in Britain today,


Because the vast majority don't want to cycle. Read the research.

to rejoin the ranks of
the potential killers and injurers who treat cyclists as scum?


Cyclists are scum.



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legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University
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Old November 22nd 11, 10:15 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Man at B&Q
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Default Three quarters of motorists don't think cyclists should pay road tax

On Nov 22, 8:55*am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 21/11/2011 22:29, The Medicated Handyman wrote:

most motorists appear to have the common sense to realise that
discouraging cycling will only make life worse for them


only 25% are too stupid to see the obvious


http://uk.autoblog.com/2011/11/21/a-...want-cyclists-...


"Where to start?


Install brain?

Motorists don't pay road tax - they pay car tax.


You can own as many cars as you like, you only pay Road Tax if you want
to use them on the Road.


VED is levied on the pollution caused. Obviously a car that is off the
road does not create pollution. That is what "SORN" are for.


Roads
are paid for from general and local taxation, so everyone pays.


And where does the money come from? *Motorists.


Income tax, VAT, ... Taxes in the YK are not, and never have been
hypothecated for particular purpoese.

Wriggle all you like, but motorists pay a specific EXTRA tax to use a
car on the Road.


They pay a tax based on the pollution they cause.

Vehicle
Excise Duty, which I assume is what they mean, is emissions based, so
cycles would be zero rated if they were included.


VED is a simple name change so the Guvmint can fleece motorists by
claiming to be 'green'.


It was VED long before green became important.

MBQ


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Old November 22nd 11, 10:32 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Three quarters of motorists don't think cyclists should pay road tax

Man at B&Q wrote:
On Nov 22, 8:55 am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 21/11/2011 22:29, The Medicated Handyman wrote:

most motorists appear to have the common sense to realise that
discouraging cycling will only make life worse for them


only 25% are too stupid to see the obvious


http://uk.autoblog.com/2011/11/21/a-...want-cyclists-...


"Where to start?


Install brain?

Motorists don't pay road tax - they pay car tax.


You can own as many cars as you like, you only pay Road Tax if you
want to use them on the Road.


VED is levied on the pollution caused. Obviously a car that is off the
road does not create pollution. That is what "SORN" are for.


it is not an emission duty, only vehicles since 2001 pay more for more
emissions. older vehicles can have horrific levels of emissions and pay the
same duty as a less polluting car.


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Old November 22nd 11, 10:35 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason[_4_]
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Default Three quarters of motorists don't think cyclists should pay road tax

On Nov 22, 9:15*am, "Man at B&Q" wrote:


Vehicle
Excise Duty, which I assume is what they mean, is emissions based, so
cycles would be zero rated if they were included.


VED is a simple name change so the Guvmint can fleece motorists by
claiming to be 'green'.


It was VED long before green became important.

MBQ- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Be fair.
"Road tax" was abolished way back in 1937.
It takes *time* for it to sink in that it is VED now and "not road
tax" anymore.

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Old November 22nd 11, 12:51 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Three quarters of motorists don't think cyclists should pay road tax

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:15:15 -0800 (PST), "Man at B&Q"
wrote:

Motorists don't pay road tax - they pay car tax.


You can own as many cars as you like, you only pay Road Tax if you want
to use them on the Road.


VED is levied on the pollution caused. Obviously a car that is off the
road does not create pollution. That is what "SORN" are for.


Let's hope Medjobs never finds out that there are cars which are zero
rated for VED. There's no telling how far the resultant explosion will
go.

Guy
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Old November 22nd 11, 01:13 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Judith[_4_]
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Default Three quarters of motorists don't think cyclists should pay road tax

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:24:54 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

On Nov 21, 10:29*pm, The Medicated Handyman
wrote:
most motorists appear to have the common sense to realise that
discouraging cycling will only make life worse for them

only 25% are too stupid to see the obvious


"Insurance comparison firm Confused.com has provoked a storm of
criticism from both cyclists and drivers alike with a ham-fisted and
error-strewn press release aimed at promoting an equally confused road
safety campaign and ostensibly highlighting the problem of road rage
on Britain’s roads which has instead managed to alienate – not to
mention confuse – almost everyone at whom it was aimed.

Those errors as a simple list for the easily confused:
? Dodgy maths – Confused.com can't even read their own stats properly
? Dodgy facts – road tax doesn't exist and hasn't done since 1937
? Dodgy puns – "Cyclo-Paths" Ouch!
? Dodgy division between drivers and cyclists Confused are too
confused to realise that most cyclists also drive
? Dodgy Lycra - what is he wearing at the start of that video? (not
that it's a bad vid which only adds to the confusion)
? Dodgy inability to admit your error with a woeful and illogical non-
retraction

http://road.cc/content/news/48078-co...acularly-wrong



Another own goal - well done Simple.

Anyone who is actually interested will read what confused.com said.

http://www.confused.com/press/releas...wheel-tantrums

they will then see that it is road.cc who are spouting the ********.

They have criticised things in the press release which weren't actually said.


Road tax - yawn. Perhaps they had seen the term on the DfT website.

Ask any driver (who is not a rabid psycholist) if they pay road tax - I doubt
if any will say "no, I pay excise duty" or whatever the ****wit's preferred
term is.

 




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