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On Jan 16, 7:24*pm, thirty-six wrote:
On Jan 17, 2:16*am, " wrote: On Jan 16, 3:07*pm, thirty-six wrote: On Jan 16, 9:38*pm, " wrote: On Jan 16, 12:20*pm, thirty-six wrote: On Jan 16, 3:22*am, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Jan 15, 8:21*am, thirty-six wrote: On Jan 14, 7:10*pm, wrote: *This effect has been researched with precise measurement and published in "the Bicycle Wheel" in order to put substance to the claims you make. I'll remind you for the umpteenth time, your method of measurement was irrelevant, it was incomplete. I'm curious about _your_ *measurements, Trevor. *IIRC, you've given no numbers at all, just your (over)confident pronouncements. Yes, I have given you the spoke tension typical for my wheels, that of 170lb, giving better tracking over rougher surfaces and a smoother ride with greater speed than a simple interlaced wheel. * What evidence do you have of this? I measured the period of oscillation with a stopwatch, the spoke circumference and length with a yard stick and throuigh excellent computational skills, calculated the tension. Can you cite the study? If you can't, you ought to say that in your personal experience the wheels track better and are more comfortable. Your own measurements are not valid evidence unless published and accepted by your peers. They are still your personal observations and your personal experience. So, again, you can say that in your personal experience and from your personal observations you find such and such wheels to be better. What you cannot say is that the wheels are better unless you can point to the objective and establish research that supports the claim. "Better" is subjective, my wheels are miles better. *I can say this all day., absolute fact. *Tell me why I would want a cheap, economy class of wheel, other than it's cheap, performs poorly and has magic poerformed on the spokes. I am very happy that in your personal experience, personal observations, opinion your wheels are overwhelmingly better than any other wheel. If you were able to conduct a study and publish an article or even a book, you'd make a good chunk of money. In the meanwhile, enjoy your wheels while I enjoy mine, which in my personal opinion, and my personal observations, and my own experience they are by far the bestest of the best wheels in the world. |
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On Jan 17, 3:51*pm, " wrote:
On Jan 16, 7:24*pm, thirty-six wrote: On Jan 17, 2:16*am, " wrote: On Jan 16, 3:07*pm, thirty-six wrote: On Jan 16, 9:38*pm, " wrote: On Jan 16, 12:20*pm, thirty-six wrote: On Jan 16, 3:22*am, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Jan 15, 8:21*am, thirty-six wrote: On Jan 14, 7:10*pm, wrote: *This effect has been researched with precise measurement and published in "the Bicycle Wheel" in order to put substance to the claims you make. I'll remind you for the umpteenth time, your method of measurement was irrelevant, it was incomplete. I'm curious about _your_ *measurements, Trevor. *IIRC, you've given no numbers at all, just your (over)confident pronouncements. Yes, I have given you the spoke tension typical for my wheels, that of 170lb, giving better tracking over rougher surfaces and a smoother ride with greater speed than a simple interlaced wheel. * What evidence do you have of this? I measured the period of oscillation with a stopwatch, the spoke circumference and length with a yard stick and throuigh excellent computational skills, calculated the tension. Can you cite the study? If you can't, you ought to say that in your personal experience the wheels track better and are more comfortable. Your own measurements are not valid evidence unless published and accepted by your peers. They are still your personal observations and your personal experience. So, again, you can say that in your personal experience and from your personal observations you find such and such wheels to be better. What you cannot say is that the wheels are better unless you can point to the objective and establish research that supports the claim. "Better" is subjective, my wheels are miles better. *I can say this all day., absolute fact. *Tell me why I would want a cheap, economy class of wheel, other than it's cheap, performs poorly and has magic poerformed on the spokes. I am very happy that in your personal experience, personal observations, opinion your wheels are overwhelmingly better than any other wheel. If you were able to conduct a study and publish an article or even a book, you'd make a good chunk of money. *In the meanwhile, enjoy your wheels while I enjoy mine, which in my personal opinion, and my personal observations, and my own experience they are by far the bestest of the best wheels in the world. You should take them to bed. |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:24:22 -0800 (PST), thirty-six
wrote: On Jan 17, 2:16*am, " wrote: On Jan 16, 3:07*pm, thirty-six wrote: On Jan 16, 9:38*pm, " wrote: On Jan 16, 12:20*pm, thirty-six wrote: On Jan 16, 3:22*am, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Jan 15, 8:21*am, thirty-six wrote: On Jan 14, 7:10*pm, wrote: *This effect has been researched with precise measurement and published in "the Bicycle Wheel" in order to put substance to the claims you make. I'll remind you for the umpteenth time, your method of measurement was irrelevant, it was incomplete. I'm curious about _your_ *measurements, Trevor. *IIRC, you've given no numbers at all, just your (over)confident pronouncements. Yes, I have given you the spoke tension typical for my wheels, that of 170lb, giving better tracking over rougher surfaces and a smoother ride with greater speed than a simple interlaced wheel. * What evidence do you have of this? I measured the period of oscillation with a stopwatch, the spoke circumference and length with a yard stick and throuigh excellent computational skills, calculated the tension. Can you cite the study? If you can't, you ought to say that in your personal experience the wheels track better and are more comfortable. Your own measurements are not valid evidence unless published and accepted by your peers. They are still your personal observations and your personal experience. So, again, you can say that in your personal experience and from your personal observations you find such and such wheels to be better. What you cannot say is that the wheels are better unless you can point to the objective and establish research that supports the claim. "Better" is subjective, my wheels are miles better. I can say this all day., absolute fact. Tell me why I would want a cheap, economy class of wheel, other than it's cheap, performs poorly and has magic poerformed on the spokes. You are correct: subjective ~ adj rare 1. taking place within the mind and modified by individual bias 2. of a mental act performed entirely within the mind However that is not proof of one wheel being measurable better than another wheel. Merely that you think it is better. And about as knowing that by putting your tooth under your pillow the Tooth Fairy will take it and leave a dollar. In fact those who believe this usually have the dollar to prove it. Cheers, John D. Slocomb (jdslocombatgmail) |
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:02:40 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
wrote: On Jan 16, 4:09*pm, thirty-six wrote: On Jan 16, 8:37*pm, Frank Krygowski wrote: *What you've claimed for your wheels is precision in tracking and increased comfort (among other things). *You said, for example, "Lateral displacement of the rim at the road, relative to the frame is much reduced. *This is tracking." Fine. *Can you post your measurements? It's a dynamic response, difficult to actually measure all the many variables present. *The wheel is optimised, and while different depths of rim will affect performance, not nearly so much because each wheel is tailored to specific axle weight and ride conditions. *I do not require static measurements. That was a very long winded way of saying "No." - Frank Krygowski It sounds much like the argument heard from various religious persons. First they tell you that their religion is better and when you ask them to prove it they reply, "you've got to have faith". Cheers, John D. Slocomb (jdslocombatgmail) |
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