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Old October 29th 09, 09:31 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
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Monday Night (over beer and Eagles Football) a good friend was talking
about the great deal he got on a full carbon Cannondale frame at a
swap meeting at the Lehigh Velodrome near Allentown, PA. After going
on about what I am sure was a great deal for him, he says: "I have to
get you on a real bike."

I said Ed, if you can convince me to swap out the comfort and general
ergonomics of either of my recumbents for a narrow, miserable rigid
carbon saddle, then you are far better salesmen than I ever imagined!

Long Live Recumbents!

Jim Reilly
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Old October 30th 09, 01:48 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
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"stratrider" wrote in message
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Monday Night (over beer and Eagles Football) a good friend was talking
about the great deal he got on a full carbon Cannondale frame at a
swap meeting at the Lehigh Velodrome near Allentown, PA. After going
on about what I am sure was a great deal for him, he says: "I have to
get you on a real bike."

I said Ed, if you can convince me to swap out the comfort and general
ergonomics of either of my recumbents for a narrow, miserable rigid
carbon saddle, then you are far better salesmen than I ever imagined!

Long Live Recumbents!

Jim Reilly


Hi Jim! Have you decided which of your two recumbents you like to ride
around town the best yet? I am not talking about crossing the state of
Pennsylvania, but only around town.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



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Old October 30th 09, 02:10 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
stratrider
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On Oct 29, 8:48*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:

Hi Jim! Have you decided which of your two recumbents you like to ride
around town the best yet? I am not talking about crossing the state of
Pennsylvania, but only around town.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


Hello Ed. Your loyalty to ARBR is remarkable. Hell you've outlasted
many recumbent companies (BikeE, Vision, Burley just to name a few)!
As for the bikes Ed, I am locked onto my 2002 Bachetta Strada. This
year I did two metric centuries and the 5 Day Bike Virginia ride on it
not to mention regular commuting and weekend rides. I still have my
10 year old Stratus but my daughter is riding that now. She loves
it!

What are you riding these days? Have you had any early snow yet?

Jim


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Old October 31st 09, 01:13 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
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"stratrider" wrote in message
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On Oct 29, 8:48 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:

Hi Jim! Have you decided which of your two recumbents you like to ride
around town the best yet? I am not talking about crossing the state of
Pennsylvania, but only around town.


Hello Ed. Your loyalty to ARBR is remarkable. Hell you've outlasted

many recumbent companies (BikeE, Vision, Burley just to name a few)!

Once I know Tom Sherman has left these cycling newsgroups for good, I will
probably leave too. I am here mainly to see that he never gets the last word
on anything not having to do with recumbents.

As for the bikes Ed, I am locked onto my 2002 Bachetta Strada. This

year I did two metric centuries and the 5 Day Bike Virginia ride on it
not to mention regular commuting and weekend rides. I still have my
10 year old Stratus but my daughter is riding that now. She loves
it!

Not everyone who switches to SWB after having been on LWB loves them like
you do. In fact, I know several recumbent riders who started off on SWB and
ended up on LWB. As you know, I much prefer LWB myself.

What are you riding these days? Have you had any early snow yet?


I am still riding my Vision set up LWB in the summer time, but I switch to
my homemade Tour Easy for spring and fall rides. Unlike you, I do not do
tours anymore. I stay in town and that seems like enough for me at my
advanced age (73).

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota




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Old November 2nd 09, 05:04 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
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On Oct 30, 7:13*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
I am still riding my Vision set up LWB in the summer time, but I switch to
my homemade Tour Easy for spring and fall rides. Unlike you, I do not do
tours anymore. I stay in town and that seems like enough for me at my
advanced age (73).


Ed, the FIRST recumbent I ever saw and ultimately rode was a 1997
Vision R40 LWB! It was the bike that started it all for me! Looking
back I realize now that the reasons I stayed away from that bike were
not inherent in the bike but rather in the poor setup. The bike shop
could barely spell RECUMBENT! I know that now.

On the subject of SWB vs LWB, make no mistake. While I am faster on
the SWB Strada, the high racer design sacrifices some ergonomics for
performance. The high BB allows me to deliver much more power to
pedal (maybe too much as my knees remind me). But few will agrue that
having your feet that high off the ground make ergonomic sense. As I
have posted before years ago, I still believe that the LWB low BB
design is a timeless, rock solid design. Find one post from ANY
source bashing the GRR/TE bicycle. It just doesn't happen! The low
BB instills confidence. Your feet are where they should be; below
your body! On a mountain descent, you cannot beat the stablily of the
LWB bike! The only issues I have with this design are the increased
potential for "recumbent butt" and the issue of carrying replacement
tubes and tires for two different size wheels. That makes me wonder
about the RANS dual 650 LWB designs. I'd love to get on one of those!

Jim



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Old November 2nd 09, 08:58 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
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"stratrider" wrote in message
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On Oct 30, 7:13 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
I am still riding my Vision set up LWB in the summer time, but I switch to
my homemade Tour Easy for spring and fall rides. Unlike you, I do not do
tours anymore. I stay in town and that seems like enough for me at my
advanced age (73).


Ed, the FIRST recumbent I ever saw and ultimately rode was a 1997

Vision R40 LWB! It was the bike that started it all for me! Looking
back I realize now that the reasons I stayed away from that bike were
not inherent in the bike but rather in the poor setup. The bike shop
could barely spell RECUMBENT! I know that now.

On the subject of SWB vs LWB, make no mistake. While I am faster on

the SWB Strada, the high racer design sacrifices some ergonomics for
performance. The high BB allows me to deliver much more power to
pedal (maybe too much as my knees remind me). But few will agrue that
having your feet that high off the ground make ergonomic sense. As I
have posted before years ago, I still believe that the LWB low BB
design is a timeless, rock solid design. Find one post from ANY
source bashing the GRR/TE bicycle. It just doesn't happen! The low
BB instills confidence. Your feet are where they should be; below
your body! On a mountain descent, you cannot beat the stablily of the
LWB bike! The only issues I have with this design are the increased
potential for "recumbent butt" and the issue of carrying replacement
tubes and tires for two different size wheels. That makes me wonder
about the RANS dual 650 LWB designs. I'd love to get on one of those!

I agree with everything you say. I can still have a slight recumbent butt
issue on my Tour Easy even though I have my seat back set to the maximum.
The main problem I have always had with the Tour Easy is that I don't think
the bottom bracket needs to be as low as it is. A somewhat higher BB would
greatly improve the recumbent butt issue as you could lay the seat back
more.

The problem I have with all short SWB recumbents is that control is not as
good as with LWB. Also, unlike you, I will get foot numbness on SWB after
about an hour or so due to the high BB.

My Vision LWB is my most comfortable recumbent. Nothing else even comes
close to it. But even so, it is not as rock solid as the Tour Easy. I have
my Vision set up with a 20" front wheel, although I think a 16" front wheel
would also work just fine and I use over the seat steering, never having
liked any kind of under seat steering. My first recumbent was the Infinity,
a LWB with under seat steering. I still like the looks of it, but you have
to be careful on it.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota




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Old November 3rd 09, 03:21 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
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stratrider aka Jim Reilly wrote:
[...]
Ed, the FIRST recumbent I ever saw and ultimately rode was a 1997
Vision R40 LWB! It was the bike that started it all for me! Looking
back I realize now that the reasons I stayed away from that bike were
not inherent in the bike but rather in the poor setup. The bike shop
could barely spell RECUMBENT! I know that now.[...]


If they could spell "recumbent", they are ahead of the former "Recumbant
Barn" shop, home of the late and unlamented Red Bent and Black Bent.

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I am a vehicular cyclist.
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Old November 3rd 09, 03:24 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
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Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
I agree with everything you say. I can still have a slight recumbent butt
issue on my Tour Easy even though I have my seat back set to the maximum.
The main problem I have always had with the Tour Easy is that I don't think
the bottom bracket needs to be as low as it is. A somewhat higher BB would
greatly improve the recumbent butt issue as you could lay the seat back
more.[...]


Wonder of wonders, Fred Markham apparently agrees [1] with you.

[1] http://www.easyracers.com/07-javelin.htm.

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I am a vehicular cyclist.
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Old November 4th 09, 10:27 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
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"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
I agree with everything you say. I can still have a slight recumbent butt
issue on my Tour Easy even though I have my seat back set to the maximum.
The main problem I have always had with the Tour Easy is that I don't
think the bottom bracket needs to be as low as it is. A somewhat higher
BB would greatly improve the recumbent butt issue as you could lay the
seat back more.[...]


Wonder of wonders, Fred Markham apparently agrees [1] with you.

[1] http://www.easyracers.com/07-javelin.htm.


Easy Racers never gets the height of the crank in relation to the seat quite
right. Most of their recumbents have set the crank way too low, but the
Javelin sets it too high. It reminds me most of my RANS V-2. Admittedly, if
you do not get foot numbness from too high a crank I suppose such bikes are
OK, but even so, they do NOT maximize power to the pedal nor control either.
For that to happen, you need a crank somewhat below the seat, probably
about 4 to 6 inches.

A good example of the kind of recumbent I am thinking of is the new
Bacchetta LWB. I think they have got it about right, give or take a few
inches.

http://www.bacchettabikes.com/recumb...s/bellaatt.htm

By the way, if I were getting a recumbent for the first time, I would get
the above Bacchetta. I have over a dozen different recumbents cluttering up
the house that I have collected over the past 30 years. Yes, that is how
long and how many bikes it took me to figure it out!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


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Old November 5th 09, 12:21 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
Tom Sherman °_°[_2_]
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Edward Dolan wrote:
"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
I agree with everything you say. I can still have a slight recumbent butt
issue on my Tour Easy even though I have my seat back set to the maximum.
The main problem I have always had with the Tour Easy is that I don't
think the bottom bracket needs to be as low as it is. A somewhat higher
BB would greatly improve the recumbent butt issue as you could lay the
seat back more.[...]

Wonder of wonders, Fred Markham apparently agrees [1] with you.

[1] http://www.easyracers.com/07-javelin.htm.


Easy Racers never gets the height of the crank in relation to the seat quite
right. Most of their recumbents have set the crank way too low, but the
Javelin sets it too high. It reminds me most of my RANS V-2. Admittedly, if
you do not get foot numbness from too high a crank I suppose such bikes are
OK, but even so, they do NOT maximize power to the pedal nor control either.
For that to happen, you need a crank somewhat below the seat, probably
about 4 to 6 inches.

I like the crank about 8 to 10 inches above the seat.

A good example of the kind of recumbent I am thinking of is the new
Bacchetta LWB. I think they have got it about right, give or take a few
inches.

http://www.bacchettabikes.com/recumb...s/bellaatt.htm

You could forgive people for mistaking the Bella ATT for a RANS Status.

By the way, if I were getting a recumbent for the first time, I would get
the above Bacchetta. I have over a dozen different recumbents cluttering up
the house that I have collected over the past 30 years. Yes, that is how
long and how many bikes it took me to figure it out!

Too bad the RANS Tailwind [1] is out of production due to large wheel
prejudice.

[1] And RANS Rocket.

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