State your opinion on COVID-19

Am 20.05.2020 um 16:58 schrieb :
On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 7:27:15 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2020 3:40 PM, wrote:

Well, that's what most of us would do if we were trying to quote
official numbers. But then, most of had to do that sort of thing
for term papers in order to graduate from high school.

So what's your point? That there really aren't any COVID deaths?
That it's only a few dozen? That there would not have been any more
deaths if isolation policies had not been imposed?

Sure Frank, people are trying to fool you with numbers counter to the
truth. You, like my FBI friend who is hiding in his basement like
Biden, has total and complete faith in that 90,000+ number. You and
Jay would make a good couple. You both love to close your eyes to
reality.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...nchs-data.html

If you look at the percentage of deaths as a percentage of the total
deaths it is only 0.55%.

Yery conveniently, you grab a weekly report from just before the big
dying started. What about taking the report from this week
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/pdf/covidview-05-15-2020.pdf?

Assuming that the next 6 weeks had what it supposedly level off at -
2400/week that would give us 2,400 x 6 = 14,865 + 5,000 (considering
the incomplete data from the last two weeks) which is less than
20,000.

"Assuming" makes an ass out of you and me. The column "Pneumonia,
Influenza etc related deaths" runs aound 4,500 per week up till week 11,
then
week 12 5,073
week 13 7,710
week 14 13,897
week 15 18,728
week 16 17,573
week 17 13,363
week 18 7,748
week 19 2,832

That's 80,000 in 10 weeks. Speculating on a high non-corona baseline of
5,000 per week (when expectation is just over 4,000 per week in winter
and probably only 3,000 per week in May), this still leaves 55,000
excess deaths due to Corona.

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 8:30:30 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 20.05.2020 um 16:58 schrieb :
On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 7:27:15 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/19/2020 3:40 PM, wrote:

Well, that's what most of us would do if we were trying to quote
official numbers. But then, most of had to do that sort of thing
for term papers in order to graduate from high school.

So what's your point? That there really aren't any COVID deaths?
That it's only a few dozen? That there would not have been any more
deaths if isolation policies had not been imposed?

Sure Frank, people are trying to fool you with numbers counter to the
truth. You, like my FBI friend who is hiding in his basement like
Biden, has total and complete faith in that 90,000+ number. You and
Jay would make a good couple. You both love to close your eyes to
reality.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...nchs-data.html

If you look at the percentage of deaths as a percentage of the total
deaths it is only 0.55%.

Yery conveniently, you grab a weekly report from just before the big
dying started. What about taking the report from this week
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/pdf/covidview-05-15-2020.pdf?

Assuming that the next 6 weeks had what it supposedly level off at -
2400/week that would give us 2,400 x 6 = 14,865 + 5,000 (considering
the incomplete data from the last two weeks) which is less than
20,000.

"Assuming" makes an ass out of you and me. The column "Pneumonia,
Influenza etc related deaths" runs aound 4,500 per week up till week 11,
then
week 12 5,073
week 13 7,710
week 14 13,897
week 15 18,728
week 16 17,573
week 17 13,363
week 18 7,748
week 19 2,832

That's 80,000 in 10 weeks. Speculating on a high non-corona baseline of
5,000 per week (when expectation is just over 4,000 per week in winter
and probably only 3,000 per week in May), this still leaves 55,000
excess deaths due to Corona.

Rolf, Do you see on the chart that the actual death rates are below normal at around 95%? Most deaths are due to suicides which appear to have doubled and car wrecks which may have dropped and may not have since we don't have a lot of data on it. If the classic forms of deaths, pneumonia in older people, influenza (which is dramatically under-counted because there are no requirements to actually report influenza cases) how do you believe that in six weeks 60,000+ people have died from covid-19 with the total death rate below normal?

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

If you look at the chart you see a linear growth curve and not exponential. That means that the growth that you suspect never occurred. The number of weekly cases leveled off at about 2,400 very rapidly.

I do not know what is going on or why but one department of the CDC is showing huge differences from those of the department Fauci heads. Since the one department supplies actual figures to insurance companies they are FAR less likely to be politicized.

On 5/20/2020 11:56 AM, wrote:

I do not know what is going on...

FINALLY we agree!

.... or why but one department of the CDC is showing huge differences
from those of the department Fauci heads. Since the one department
supplies actual figures to insurance companies they are FAR less likely
to be politicized.

Don't fixate on Fauci, Tom. There are over 100 other nations treating
this at least as seriously as the U.S. is doing. Data from all of them
confirms this is a real problem.

Do you really think they all really part of a huge global conspiracy
assembled just to make you look bad?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 10:47:36 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/20/2020 11:56 AM, wrote:

I do not know what is going on...

FINALLY we agree!

... or why but one department of the CDC is showing huge differences
from those of the department Fauci heads. Since the one department
supplies actual figures to insurance companies they are FAR less likely
to be politicized.

Don't fixate on Fauci, Tom. There are over 100 other nations treating
this at least as seriously as the U.S. is doing. Data from all of them
confirms this is a real problem.

Do you really think they all really part of a huge global conspiracy
assembled just to make you look bad?

--
- Frank Krygowski

You live in Youngstown don't you? Should I send your postings to Heather?

On 5/20/2020 3:26 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 10:47:36 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/20/2020 11:56 AM, wrote:

I do not know what is going on...

FINALLY we agree!

... or why but one department of the CDC is showing huge differences
from those of the department Fauci heads. Since the one department
supplies actual figures to insurance companies they are FAR less likely
to be politicized.

Don't fixate on Fauci, Tom. There are over 100 other nations treating
this at least as seriously as the U.S. is doing. Data from all of them
confirms this is a real problem.

Do you really think they all really part of a huge global conspiracy
assembled just to make you look bad?

--
- Frank Krygowski

You live in Youngstown don't you? Should I send your postings to Heather?

Stalking shows _such_ lack of class!


--
- Frank Krygowski

wrote:
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 10:47:36 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/20/2020 11:56 AM, wrote:

I do not know what is going on...

FINALLY we agree!

... or why but one department of the CDC is showing huge differences
from those of the department Fauci heads. Since the one department
supplies actual figures to insurance companies they are FAR less likely
to be politicized.

Don't fixate on Fauci, Tom. There are over 100 other nations treating
this at least as seriously as the U.S. is doing. Data from all of them
confirms this is a real problem.

Do you really think they all really part of a huge global conspiracy
assembled just to make you look bad?

--
- Frank Krygowski

You live in Youngstown don't you? Should I send your postings to Heather?


A). That’s not at all classy. It wasn’t classy when Jobst did it to you and
it remains that way now.

B) I’m pretty sure that Frank’s wife knows his opinions and his political
leanings. I’m certain she would be more horrified with your posts than with
his responses to them.

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 12:32:33 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/20/2020 3:26 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 10:47:36 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/20/2020 11:56 AM, wrote:

I do not know what is going on...

FINALLY we agree!

... or why but one department of the CDC is showing huge differences
from those of the department Fauci heads. Since the one department
supplies actual figures to insurance companies they are FAR less likely
to be politicized.

Don't fixate on Fauci, Tom. There are over 100 other nations treating
this at least as seriously as the U.S. is doing. Data from all of them
confirms this is a real problem.

Do you really think they all really part of a huge global conspiracy
assembled just to make you look bad?

--
- Frank Krygowski

You live in Youngstown don't you? Should I send your postings to Heather?

Stalking shows _such_ lack of class!


--
- Frank Krygowski

But telling me that from 2/3rds of the way across the US you could tell what the trees are like is about as high class as it gets? What's the matter you POS, does it bother you to get your own medicine back at you?

I actually provided the information from the CDC. That department supplies information to the insurance companies unlike Fauci so they have to have accurate information and you can't stand it. Why it doesn't fit your stinking political propaganda show you dumb jerk.

Don't worry, I won't show up and kick your ass because I don't beat up on helpless people. Particularly on deluded fools.

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 12:59:46 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
wrote:
On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 10:47:36 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 5/20/2020 11:56 AM, wrote:

I do not know what is going on...

FINALLY we agree!

... or why but one department of the CDC is showing huge differences
from those of the department Fauci heads. Since the one department
supplies actual figures to insurance companies they are FAR less likely
to be politicized.

Don't fixate on Fauci, Tom. There are over 100 other nations treating
this at least as seriously as the U.S. is doing. Data from all of them
confirms this is a real problem.

Do you really think they all really part of a huge global conspiracy
assembled just to make you look bad?

--
- Frank Krygowski

You live in Youngstown don't you? Should I send your postings to Heather?


A). That’s not at all classy. It wasn’t classy when Jobst did it to you and
it remains that way now.

B) I’m pretty sure that Frank’s wife knows his opinions and his political
leanings. I’m certain she would be more horrified with your posts than with
his responses to them.

But if there's one thing that shows real class it is telling me that a tree branch wasn't hanging over the bike lane and didn't hit me in the head. Now THAT is real class.

If his wife knows his spineless weaknesses that is her fault for remaining around.

On 5/20/2020 4:54 PM, wrote:
....if there's one thing that shows real class it is telling me that a tree branch wasn't hanging over the bike lane and didn't hit me in the head. Now THAT is real class.

Let's review: We were discussing thick tree branches hanging low over
roads or bike lanes. It should have been on your mind.

After maybe a week of discussion, you suddenly claimed you had _just_
run into a seriously thick tree branch.

At the time, despite the tremendous proof it would have provided, you
didn't photograph the tree branch or your damaged helmet.

You later linked to a Streetview image you claimed contained the
offending tree. But all the trees in the image had no branches low
enough to do what you said.

Then there's the inconvenient fact that unless you ride a recumbent,
there are plenty of motor vehicles that would impact a branch at the
height of a cyclist's head.

So somehow, this branch was left low enough to damage a car? Somehow the
motorists were all able to spot it and avoid it? Somehow you were
foolish enough to _not_ avoid it, despite partaking in a running
discussion on this faux hazard? Somehow it didn't occur to you to
document your supposed crash and prove I was wrong?

That's a long chain of improbabilities, Tom. It's more likely you
imagined the entire thing, either deliberately or accidentally. We all
know of your problems regarding memory. Oh, and imagination.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wed, 20 May 2020 08:56:39 -0700, cyclintom wrote:

Rolf, Do you see on the chart that the actual death rates are below
normal at around 95%?

So that is why Hollywood makes so many zombie movies, 5% of your dead are
actually undead.