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On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 2:50:43 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
On 27/5/20 3:58 am, Frank Krygowski wrote: Riffing off the "bonk" thread: For most of my family's bicycling career (now approaching 50 years) we took various snacks along on rides greater than 25 miles or so. But somehow, with changes in life and changes in riding habits, we seem to have gotten out of that snack habit. On a couple of recent mid-30 miler rides on country roads, my wife didn't bonk, but she certainly ran out of steam. During one of them, I happened to find a gel packet buried in my bag, so I gave her that. It helped noticeably; so we should get back to carrying snacks. But I'd prefer something a little more like food, a little less like a medical infusion. Since we're no longer performance riders, actually stopping the bike to eat would be OK. even though on solo rides I prefer to keep moving. What are people's preferences for on-bike snacks? Bananas and fruit cake. I've never found bananas to work for me and I certainly couldn't carry fruitcake unless I was fruitcake. I use something called a "Protein bar" Composed of sugar, mostly peanuts and chocolate. But Powerbars work just as well, digest a little faster and cost less. |
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John B. writes:
On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:58:12 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Thu, 28 May 2020 09:32:06 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 5/28/2020 12:42 AM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 20:53:35 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:38:47 PM UTC-5, wrote: Paydays are excellent when you need some fast calories and don't mind chewing a bit. Unlike Jay I still have all of my teeth. And why do you think Jay doesn't have a full complement of teeth? He is an attorney. So I am guessing he makes at least the median US income. So he should be able to afford a dental insurance plan. He is an independent attorney, not employed by a firm. So he does have to purchase his own plan. But I assume there are insurance plans available to attorneys offices. So he is probably able to get dental insurance through work, sort of, if he cannot purchase a dental plan as an individual. A serious question here. Can't the average USian afford dental care without an insurance plan? In 1965 the ADA opted out of many new government programs, unlike AMA. Hence there are still reasonably priced cash dentists. Not so much for MDs. I was wondering as when I lived there was no real problem in "going to the dentist" but I read above the mention of "Dental Insurance". Dental insurance, or a dental care plan, or whatever really doesn't change much in my experience. Simple cavities and preventive care are reasonably affordable for those with good jobs, but the upper limit of dental expenses has gone way up. My wife got a mouthful of implants a few years ago, and it cost enough to buy a better car than I have ever considered having. I had dental insurance through my employer, which paid very little, and made no difference whatsoever in choosing a course of treatment. The alternative, of course, would have been dentures, which are still much, much better than gumming all your food. Some years ago I contemplated implants but in researching it seemed that they install a metal stud and then wait for a period to ensure that it becomes firmly attached and then add the "denture". But if the initial stud doesn't become firmly attached than they remove the stud and go no further. Or at least that was the way it was explained to me. I thought about a mouth full of studs some of which were good and could "hold" a tooth, and some of which couldn't be used and would be replaced by what? Some sort of denture? And decided against them. That's my understanding. My wife had to have some bone grafts to seal up the hole that would otherwise be made in her sinuses. The implants all "took", but some not in exactly the intended spots, so our regular dentist had to do a lot of work faffing around with the bridge to go on the implants. First she had to heal for a bit, carefully avoiding any smiles that might show the freakish titanium implants, then she wore a temporary bridge, which kept falling off, then finally she wore the permanent bridge with temporary cement, so it could be tweaked. The original plan was to have something that screwed on, but that didn't work out because of how the implants actually seated. For months after she started wearing the new teeth I had trouble understanding her, I guess the lips didn't slide right and she developed a lisp. Now, however, all seems well and I hear no complaints. Incidentally, it's possible to get implants in the US for nothing, if you play your cards right. My brother went to dental school in Kansas City, and described the competition for volunteer patients around the time the dental class sought certification. They have to perform a number of procedures under supervision as a test, and need to find their own patients to allow it. If he was not exaggerating it seems that most of the homeless population of Kansas City may well have implants by now. As for gumming your food... it depends greatly on what sort of food you are eating :-) Chocolate cake, for example, gums quite well :-) I would really hate to have to live on chocolate cake. I would rather chew raw field corn like Mr. Muzi. |
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On 5/29/2020 12:17 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
John B. writes: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:58:12 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Thu, 28 May 2020 09:32:06 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 5/28/2020 12:42 AM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 20:53:35 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:38:47 PM UTC-5, wrote: Paydays are excellent when you need some fast calories and don't mind chewing a bit. Unlike Jay I still have all of my teeth. And why do you think Jay doesn't have a full complement of teeth? He is an attorney. So I am guessing he makes at least the median US income. So he should be able to afford a dental insurance plan. He is an independent attorney, not employed by a firm. So he does have to purchase his own plan. But I assume there are insurance plans available to attorneys offices. So he is probably able to get dental insurance through work, sort of, if he cannot purchase a dental plan as an individual. A serious question here. Can't the average USian afford dental care without an insurance plan? In 1965 the ADA opted out of many new government programs, unlike AMA. Hence there are still reasonably priced cash dentists. Not so much for MDs. I was wondering as when I lived there was no real problem in "going to the dentist" but I read above the mention of "Dental Insurance". Dental insurance, or a dental care plan, or whatever really doesn't change much in my experience. Simple cavities and preventive care are reasonably affordable for those with good jobs, but the upper limit of dental expenses has gone way up. My wife got a mouthful of implants a few years ago, and it cost enough to buy a better car than I have ever considered having. I had dental insurance through my employer, which paid very little, and made no difference whatsoever in choosing a course of treatment. The alternative, of course, would have been dentures, which are still much, much better than gumming all your food. Some years ago I contemplated implants but in researching it seemed that they install a metal stud and then wait for a period to ensure that it becomes firmly attached and then add the "denture". But if the initial stud doesn't become firmly attached than they remove the stud and go no further. Or at least that was the way it was explained to me. I thought about a mouth full of studs some of which were good and could "hold" a tooth, and some of which couldn't be used and would be replaced by what? Some sort of denture? And decided against them. That's my understanding. My wife had to have some bone grafts to seal up the hole that would otherwise be made in her sinuses. The implants all "took", but some not in exactly the intended spots, so our regular dentist had to do a lot of work faffing around with the bridge to go on the implants. First she had to heal for a bit, carefully avoiding any smiles that might show the freakish titanium implants, then she wore a temporary bridge, which kept falling off, then finally she wore the permanent bridge with temporary cement, so it could be tweaked. The original plan was to have something that screwed on, but that didn't work out because of how the implants actually seated. For months after she started wearing the new teeth I had trouble understanding her, I guess the lips didn't slide right and she developed a lisp. Now, however, all seems well and I hear no complaints. Incidentally, it's possible to get implants in the US for nothing, if you play your cards right. My brother went to dental school in Kansas City, and described the competition for volunteer patients around the time the dental class sought certification. They have to perform a number of procedures under supervision as a test, and need to find their own patients to allow it. If he was not exaggerating it seems that most of the homeless population of Kansas City may well have implants by now. As for gumming your food... it depends greatly on what sort of food you are eating :-) Chocolate cake, for example, gums quite well :-) I would really hate to have to live on chocolate cake. I would rather chew raw field corn like Mr. Muzi. I did it once which was enough. blecchhh. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 10:17:53 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
John B. writes: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:58:12 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Thu, 28 May 2020 09:32:06 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 5/28/2020 12:42 AM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 20:53:35 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:38:47 PM UTC-5, wrote: Paydays are excellent when you need some fast calories and don't mind chewing a bit. Unlike Jay I still have all of my teeth. And why do you think Jay doesn't have a full complement of teeth? He is an attorney. So I am guessing he makes at least the median US income. So he should be able to afford a dental insurance plan. He is an independent attorney, not employed by a firm. So he does have to purchase his own plan. But I assume there are insurance plans available to attorneys offices. So he is probably able to get dental insurance through work, sort of, if he cannot purchase a dental plan as an individual. A serious question here. Can't the average USian afford dental care without an insurance plan? In 1965 the ADA opted out of many new government programs, unlike AMA. Hence there are still reasonably priced cash dentists. Not so much for MDs. I was wondering as when I lived there was no real problem in "going to the dentist" but I read above the mention of "Dental Insurance". Dental insurance, or a dental care plan, or whatever really doesn't change much in my experience. Simple cavities and preventive care are reasonably affordable for those with good jobs, but the upper limit of dental expenses has gone way up. My wife got a mouthful of implants a few years ago, and it cost enough to buy a better car than I have ever considered having. I had dental insurance through my employer, which paid very little, and made no difference whatsoever in choosing a course of treatment. The alternative, of course, would have been dentures, which are still much, much better than gumming all your food. Some years ago I contemplated implants but in researching it seemed that they install a metal stud and then wait for a period to ensure that it becomes firmly attached and then add the "denture". But if the initial stud doesn't become firmly attached than they remove the stud and go no further. Or at least that was the way it was explained to me. I thought about a mouth full of studs some of which were good and could "hold" a tooth, and some of which couldn't be used and would be replaced by what? Some sort of denture? And decided against them. That's my understanding. My wife had to have some bone grafts to seal up the hole that would otherwise be made in her sinuses. The implants all "took", but some not in exactly the intended spots, so our regular dentist had to do a lot of work faffing around with the bridge to go on the implants. First she had to heal for a bit, carefully avoiding any smiles that might show the freakish titanium implants, then she wore a temporary bridge, which kept falling off, then finally she wore the permanent bridge with temporary cement, so it could be tweaked. The original plan was to have something that screwed on, but that didn't work out because of how the implants actually seated. For months after she started wearing the new teeth I had trouble understanding her, I guess the lips didn't slide right and she developed a lisp. Now, however, all seems well and I hear no complaints. Incidentally, it's possible to get implants in the US for nothing, if you play your cards right. My brother went to dental school in Kansas City, and described the competition for volunteer patients around the time the dental class sought certification. They have to perform a number of procedures under supervision as a test, and need to find their own patients to allow it. If he was not exaggerating it seems that most of the homeless population of Kansas City may well have implants by now. As for gumming your food... it depends greatly on what sort of food you are eating :-) Chocolate cake, for example, gums quite well :-) I would really hate to have to live on chocolate cake. I would rather chew raw field corn like Mr. Muzi. My middle step daughter had that and repairing left her with a permanent nasal sound that and she cannot pronounce some words properly. |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 13:17:51 -0400, Radey Shouman
wrote: John B. writes: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:58:12 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Thu, 28 May 2020 09:32:06 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 5/28/2020 12:42 AM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 20:53:35 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:38:47 PM UTC-5, wrote: Paydays are excellent when you need some fast calories and don't mind chewing a bit. Unlike Jay I still have all of my teeth. And why do you think Jay doesn't have a full complement of teeth? He is an attorney. So I am guessing he makes at least the median US income. So he should be able to afford a dental insurance plan. He is an independent attorney, not employed by a firm. So he does have to purchase his own plan. But I assume there are insurance plans available to attorneys offices. So he is probably able to get dental insurance through work, sort of, if he cannot purchase a dental plan as an individual. A serious question here. Can't the average USian afford dental care without an insurance plan? In 1965 the ADA opted out of many new government programs, unlike AMA. Hence there are still reasonably priced cash dentists. Not so much for MDs. I was wondering as when I lived there was no real problem in "going to the dentist" but I read above the mention of "Dental Insurance". Dental insurance, or a dental care plan, or whatever really doesn't change much in my experience. Simple cavities and preventive care are reasonably affordable for those with good jobs, but the upper limit of dental expenses has gone way up. My wife got a mouthful of implants a few years ago, and it cost enough to buy a better car than I have ever considered having. I had dental insurance through my employer, which paid very little, and made no difference whatsoever in choosing a course of treatment. The alternative, of course, would have been dentures, which are still much, much better than gumming all your food. Some years ago I contemplated implants but in researching it seemed that they install a metal stud and then wait for a period to ensure that it becomes firmly attached and then add the "denture". But if the initial stud doesn't become firmly attached than they remove the stud and go no further. Or at least that was the way it was explained to me. I thought about a mouth full of studs some of which were good and could "hold" a tooth, and some of which couldn't be used and would be replaced by what? Some sort of denture? And decided against them. That's my understanding. My wife had to have some bone grafts to seal up the hole that would otherwise be made in her sinuses. The implants all "took", but some not in exactly the intended spots, so our regular dentist had to do a lot of work faffing around with the bridge to go on the implants. First she had to heal for a bit, carefully avoiding any smiles that might show the freakish titanium implants, then she wore a temporary bridge, which kept falling off, then finally she wore the permanent bridge with temporary cement, so it could be tweaked. The original plan was to have something that screwed on, but that didn't work out because of how the implants actually seated. For months after she started wearing the new teeth I had trouble understanding her, I guess the lips didn't slide right and she developed a lisp. Now, however, all seems well and I hear no complaints. Incidentally, it's possible to get implants in the US for nothing, if you play your cards right. My brother went to dental school in Kansas City, and described the competition for volunteer patients around the time the dental class sought certification. They have to perform a number of procedures under supervision as a test, and need to find their own patients to allow it. If he was not exaggerating it seems that most of the homeless population of Kansas City may well have implants by now. As for gumming your food... it depends greatly on what sort of food you are eating :-) Chocolate cake, for example, gums quite well :-) I would really hate to have to live on chocolate cake. I would rather chew raw field corn like Mr. Muzi. Raw Field Corn? Well, I suppose although that is usually intended as animal feed :-) But raw "sweet corn", that is corn intended for human consumption, is quite good raw. As a kid I ate a lot of it and it is best a bit before it is fully mature while the kernels are still not a bright yellow. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 16:39:50 -0700, cyclintom wrote:
They were SAID to grow faster than Redwoods and that is why they were planted to replace the coastal redwoods that were cut down for construction material. However. as you say, they are HUGE fire hazards filling the entire area with dry sluffed off bark, their lumber is unusuable since it shrinks and cracks with drying and that cannot be remedied making the wood weak and useless. Don't tell the Austalians this, they have been using them for centuries until the modern fad for ****ty Pinus radiata in housing and everywhere else. Do you know which species they grow? And they really do not grow faster than redwoods after a certain age. |
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On Fri, 29 May 2020 08:45:24 -0700, cyclintom wrote:
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 8:53:38 PM UTC-7, wrote: On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:38:47 PM UTC-5, wrote: Paydays are excellent when you need some fast calories and don't mind chewing a bit. Unlike Jay I still have all of my teeth. And why do you think Jay doesn't have a full complement of teeth? He is an attorney. So I am guessing he makes at least the median US income. So he should be able to afford a dental insurance plan. He is an independent attorney, not employed by a firm. So he does have to purchase his own plan. But I assume there are insurance plans available to attorneys offices. So he is probably able to get dental insurance through work, sort of, if he cannot purchase a dental plan as an individual. That is a joke Russell, you should learn to recognize them. They occur often in polite society. Not everything in the world is worthy of serious discussion. Lol, a rare admission from tommy that has has been clearly caught out, but not really rare, as admitted elsewhere tommy is loosing hs teeth and having them replaced with implants. The old mirror trick from tommy. |
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John B. writes:
On Fri, 29 May 2020 13:17:51 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Thu, 28 May 2020 22:58:12 -0400, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. writes: On Thu, 28 May 2020 09:32:06 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 5/28/2020 12:42 AM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2020 20:53:35 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 5:38:47 PM UTC-5, wrote: Paydays are excellent when you need some fast calories and don't mind chewing a bit. Unlike Jay I still have all of my teeth. And why do you think Jay doesn't have a full complement of teeth? He is an attorney. So I am guessing he makes at least the median US income. So he should be able to afford a dental insurance plan. He is an independent attorney, not employed by a firm. So he does have to purchase his own plan. But I assume there are insurance plans available to attorneys offices. So he is probably able to get dental insurance through work, sort of, if he cannot purchase a dental plan as an individual. A serious question here. Can't the average USian afford dental care without an insurance plan? In 1965 the ADA opted out of many new government programs, unlike AMA. Hence there are still reasonably priced cash dentists. Not so much for MDs. I was wondering as when I lived there was no real problem in "going to the dentist" but I read above the mention of "Dental Insurance". Dental insurance, or a dental care plan, or whatever really doesn't change much in my experience. Simple cavities and preventive care are reasonably affordable for those with good jobs, but the upper limit of dental expenses has gone way up. My wife got a mouthful of implants a few years ago, and it cost enough to buy a better car than I have ever considered having. I had dental insurance through my employer, which paid very little, and made no difference whatsoever in choosing a course of treatment. The alternative, of course, would have been dentures, which are still much, much better than gumming all your food. Some years ago I contemplated implants but in researching it seemed that they install a metal stud and then wait for a period to ensure that it becomes firmly attached and then add the "denture". But if the initial stud doesn't become firmly attached than they remove the stud and go no further. Or at least that was the way it was explained to me. I thought about a mouth full of studs some of which were good and could "hold" a tooth, and some of which couldn't be used and would be replaced by what? Some sort of denture? And decided against them. That's my understanding. My wife had to have some bone grafts to seal up the hole that would otherwise be made in her sinuses. The implants all "took", but some not in exactly the intended spots, so our regular dentist had to do a lot of work faffing around with the bridge to go on the implants. First she had to heal for a bit, carefully avoiding any smiles that might show the freakish titanium implants, then she wore a temporary bridge, which kept falling off, then finally she wore the permanent bridge with temporary cement, so it could be tweaked. The original plan was to have something that screwed on, but that didn't work out because of how the implants actually seated. For months after she started wearing the new teeth I had trouble understanding her, I guess the lips didn't slide right and she developed a lisp. Now, however, all seems well and I hear no complaints. Incidentally, it's possible to get implants in the US for nothing, if you play your cards right. My brother went to dental school in Kansas City, and described the competition for volunteer patients around the time the dental class sought certification. They have to perform a number of procedures under supervision as a test, and need to find their own patients to allow it. If he was not exaggerating it seems that most of the homeless population of Kansas City may well have implants by now. As for gumming your food... it depends greatly on what sort of food you are eating :-) Chocolate cake, for example, gums quite well :-) I would really hate to have to live on chocolate cake. I would rather chew raw field corn like Mr. Muzi. Raw Field Corn? Haven't you been paying attention? It's an r.b.t classic. Well, I suppose although that is usually intended as animal feed :-) But raw "sweet corn", that is corn intended for human consumption, is quite good raw. As a kid I ate a lot of it and it is best a bit before it is fully mature while the kernels are still not a bright yellow. |
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