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Mike Latondresse writes: "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" wrote in news:9PCBe.1955701$Xk.1705409@pd7tw3no: "gwhite" wrote in message ... Good thing he was wearing a helmet. I don't know why he pulled out, I've landed on my head more times than I can remember, and it's never kept me from climbing back on the bike. Mostly without a helmet obviously. Hey, as long as he remembers in which direction to go. cheers, Tom -- -- Nothing is safe from me. Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca |
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:17:49 GMT, "Callistus Valerius"
wrote: stunk. They wheeled me into flu ward, and I had to endure listening to all of these slugs coughing and wheezing. What a bunch of babies. They all thought they were gonna die. It was during a flu epidemic 5 years ago. I Flu is a serious illness that kills thousands of people every year. JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:02:47 GMT, Werehatrack
wrote: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:59:55 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:41:37 GMT, "Jay S. Hill" wrote: wrote: nonsense--rules specifically encouraging crashing had been in force for over 90 years in the Tour de France. Dear Señor Fogel; A rule acknowledging that crashes might occur is not a rule that encourages crashes. This murkily reminds me of the abortion debate. Dear Jay, Any economist would argue that a rule that removes the time penalty for crashing in the last kilometer is encouraging crashes in the last kilometer. The law of supply and demand is not a question of morality, nor is it murky. Raise the cost of bicycle crashes in last kilometer of a stage, and there will be fewer bicycle crashes. Lower the cost, and there will be more. Racers respond to market forces. I'm not sure I see the logic here; if he's in the lead when he goes down, the crashed rider presumably does not benefit relative to the time he'd have achieved if he had not gone down, though perhaps (if I understand it correctly) he might benefit if he crashes while riding well back from the center of his group. Somehow I doubt that this interpretation is the correct one; if it were, every trailing rider would contrive to fetch up against an obstacle in the last km, and The Art Of The Crash would be a required course for the marginally competitive rider. Dear Werehatrack, A rider who crashes in the last kilometer obviously benefits by being guaranteed a faster finishing time than he actually had, as long as he can get up and still finish the race. This does assume that groups of riders who stay upright will finish noticeably faster than riders who fall, but that's a rather safe assumption. Riders who can't brake or corner well are encouraged to try to keep up with better riders. They don't try to crash, but they risk much more because crashing doesn't cost them as much. Clumsy Carl Who Can't Corner (U.S.) knows that he will earn the same time as Artful Archibald Arc-Carver (G.B.) as long as he survives his surprisingly frequent end-of-stage slides into the hay bales. So Clumsy Carl throws a little more caution to the wind at the red flag because he isn't risking a time penalty. Afterward, Clumsy Carl tends to blame the officials who put the finish line near a corner, the rain that left the road wet, the local road department that should have re-paved the road, the riders who fell in front of him, the riders who didn't, and just about everything else except the fact that he was going faster than his ability and fell down. Clumsy Carl may say something about how glad he is that he crashed after the red flag and didn't hurt his team's time. The interviewer will then exclaim about how it could happen to anybody. And Archibald Arc-Carver will nod sympathetically and make a mental note to keep the hell away from Clumsy Carl after the red flag--the dumb son-of-a-bitch doesn't care if he crashes when there's no time penalty. Notice that riders tend to crash much less often where the cost is much higher--we don't see many riders flying off over the edges of Alpine cliffs or smashing into stone walls. In the tiny red-flag zone, riders tend to go as fast as they can pedal, not as fast as they can stay upright. This is one reason why there are so many crashes and complaints in the otherwise unexceptional final stretch. Are there any other kinds of racing in which crashing in the crucial last 0.5% of the course suffers no time penalty? Imagine if a year-long world car championship series of 12 races counted only the 7 best finishes. The mechanics would start building more powerful and less reliable engines because a 50% engine failure rate would no longer matter as much as it used to. This sort of situation is common in observed trials. Riders often have to decide whether to take a planned dab to be almost certain of getting through an obstacle section with only one penalty point, or to try to clean the section and lose no points. Without the risk of losing 5 marks for failure, everyone would try to ride through with their feet up. Carl Fogel |
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Jay Beattie wrote:
... a helmet is not a free pass to immortality. gwhite wrote: I am selling tin foil hats though. Not free, but at an affordable cost. You capitalist cycling dog. |
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B. Lafferty wrote:
I'll bet you **** with a helmet and heart rate monitor. Probably a good thing, too. You need a helmet if you're going to **** with your head in the sand. |
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Callistus Valerius wrote:
stunk. They wheeled me into flu ward, and I had to endure listening to all of these slugs coughing and wheezing. What a bunch of babies. They all thought they were gonna die. It was during a flu epidemic 5 years ago. I John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: Flu is a serious illness that kills thousands of people every year. As is stupidity. |
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"gwhite" wrote in message ... Jay Beattie wrote: ... a helmet is not a free pass to immortality. I am selling tin foil hats though. Not free, but at an affordable cost. http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html |
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Jay Beattie wrote: Like, does the name Casartelli ring a bell? He actually hit more of his face than his upper head but I agree... Helmets-don't hurt, may help. What's so diffuclt to understand? On the flip side, the recent death of a helmeted racer here in Portland, Or. shows that a helmet is not a free pass to immortality. http://tinyurl.com/7pefv I raced that course for years without so much as a close call. The finish is so wide and the set-up is so long that there is rarely a mishap. This poor guy just got in the wrong place and bit it going full blast with a helmet on. -- Jay Beattie. |
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