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Mrcheerful wrote:
wrote: On Sunday, 21 July 2013 22:16:07 UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29436118.html The Republic (there's a clue here) of Ireland is no longer part of the UK, it was granted independence almost a century ago. Do keep up. Then I should have marked it OT, sorry. The particularly interesting bit about the story is that Ireland is having a crackdown on RLJ cyclists and is to introduce on the spot fines of 50 euros from next year. Apparently this has worked marvellously in places that have enforced it, reducing cylists RLJ to miniscule levels. Good. So, this horrendous problem (as you keep on reporting) that we have with scofflaw cyclists can be readily remedied. I trust that the relevant authorities understand this just as well as you do and no doubt wherever they perceive the problem to warrant such action they can step in and take it. Likewise, where the problem is not thought to warrant such action, none need be taken - other than, of course, to keep the situation under review. Maybe we can all get some peace now. |
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On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:55:24 +0100, JNugent
wrote: On 22/07/2013 08:26, Bertie Wooster wrote: On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 23:44:26 +0100, JNugent wrote: On 21/07/2013 23:45, Bertie Wooster wrote: On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 23:25:31 +0100, "Iain" wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 22:16:07 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29436118.html That photo is a rather curious one. If I rewind the scene in my mind's eye, I have the jay walking pedestrian, supposedly avoiding the cyclist, materialising having just walked through the truck. If I wind it forward a little, I have the cyclist resting one foot on the ground just behind the stop line. The cyclist in the picture is described as a "lycra law-breaker", but he appears to be wearing black jeans and a white cotton t-shirt. The cyclist in the picture is described as 'a cyclist'. You appear to be quoting from the sub-heading. I was quoting from the main article, yes. And the photo was illustrating exactly which article? Caption to the photograph: "A a woman evades a cyclist breaking the red light at College Green, Dublin". Sub-headline to the (whole) article: "THE heatwave appears to have turned the growing army of cyclists on our streets into lycra law-breakers". Come on, this isn't difficult. No it's not. Mr Reilly spent 20 minutes observing cyclists. He describes them in the article, and just one he describes as being clad in lycra: a greybeard, a young man in a Manchester United top, a middle-aged man and a pretty girl of Asian extraction, a Joni Mitchell lookalike, a lycra clad, Oakley-sunglasses wearing speed king, a cool-looking male student with a trilby, a beefy Italian-looking chap. No, there is no reason whatsoever to suppose that the cyclist in the photograph was being described as clad in lycra. It is as I pointed out above. Do you think that the girl in the photo had to evade the cyclist, as claimed? It there any evidence that the cyclist in the photo was "breaking the red light", as claimed? It clearly does not say what you desperately claim it says. Only someone grasping at a straw in trying to deny the undeniable would weirdly claim otherwise. The photo clearly does not show what it claims to show in the caption, and does not show what is claimed in the article it illustrates either. |
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On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:24:00 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 07:01:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 22:16:07 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29436118.html That photo is a rather curious one. If I rewind the scene in my mind's eye, I have the jay walking pedestrian, supposedly avoiding the cyclist, materialising having just walked through the truck. If I wind it forward a little, I have the cyclist resting one foot on the ground just behind the stop line. The cyclist in the picture is described as a "lycra law-breaker", but he appears to be wearing black jeans and a white cotton t-shirt. Well that completely negates the report. Why are you trying to evade the subject, is it embarassing to you? Why would I be embarrassed by what happens in Ireland? It is like talking to a child. The subject is red light jumping. And I do not condone red light jumping by cyclist or motor vehicle driver. The latter I consider far more dangerous. |
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On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:54:58 +0100, Judith
wrote: On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:27:55 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote: snip Why would I be embarrassed by what happens in Ireland? "Lycra law-breakers" exist throughout the world? Are you proud of that then? Law-breakers exist throughout the world. I am proud that law-breaking is in steep decline in this country. |
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On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:27:06 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote: wrote: On Sunday, 21 July 2013 22:16:07 UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29436118.html The Republic (there's a clue here) of Ireland is no longer part of the UK, it was granted independence almost a century ago. Do keep up. Then I should have marked it OT, sorry. The particularly interesting bit about the story is that Ireland is having a crackdown on RLJ cyclists and is to introduce on the spot fines of 50 euros from next year. Apparently this has worked marvellously in places that have enforced it, reducing cylists RLJ to miniscule levels. Sark has a much more interesting ban in place. |
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On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:59:26 +0100, Judith
wrote: On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:27:06 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote: wrote: On Sunday, 21 July 2013 22:16:07 UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29436118.html The Republic (there's a clue here) of Ireland is no longer part of the UK, it was granted independence almost a century ago. Do keep up. Then I should have marked it OT, sorry. The particularly interesting bit about the story is that Ireland is having a crackdown on RLJ cyclists and is to introduce on the spot fines of 50 euros from next year. Apparently this has worked marvellously in places that have enforced it, reducing cylists RLJ to miniscule levels. I think something similar is need here to crack down on the lycra law-breakers. (© Crispin) Will the term "lycra law-breaker" now produce a Pavlovian response from you? |
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On 22/07/2013 10:32, Bertie Wooster wrote:
JNugent wrote: On 22/07/2013 08:26, Bertie Wooster wrote: JNugent wrote: On 21/07/2013 23:45, Bertie Wooster wrote: On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 23:25:31 +0100, "Iain" wrote: Bertie Wooster wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29436118.html That photo is a rather curious one. If I rewind the scene in my mind's eye, I have the jay walking pedestrian, supposedly avoiding the cyclist, materialising having just walked through the truck. If I wind it forward a little, I have the cyclist resting one foot on the ground just behind the stop line. The cyclist in the picture is described as a "lycra law-breaker", but he appears to be wearing black jeans and a white cotton t-shirt. The cyclist in the picture is described as 'a cyclist'. You appear to be quoting from the sub-heading. I was quoting from the main article, yes. And the photo was illustrating exactly which article? Caption to the photograph: "A a woman evades a cyclist breaking the red light at College Green, Dublin". Sub-headline to the (whole) article: "THE heatwave appears to have turned the growing army of cyclists on our streets into lycra law-breakers". Come on, this isn't difficult. No it's not. Mr Reilly spent 20 minutes observing cyclists. He describes them in the article, and just one he describes as being clad in lycra: a greybeard, a young man in a Manchester United top, a middle-aged man and a pretty girl of Asian extraction, a Joni Mitchell lookalike, a lycra clad, Oakley-sunglasses wearing speed king, a cool-looking male student with a trilby, a beefy Italian-looking chap. No, there is no reason whatsoever to suppose that the cyclist in the photograph was being described as clad in lycra. It is as I pointed out above. Do you think that the girl in the photo had to evade the cyclist, as claimed? I see no reason to doubt it. The reporter was there and I was not. In don't think you were there either. It there any evidence that the cyclist in the photo was "breaking the red light", as claimed? I see no reason to doubt it. The reporter was there and I was not. In don't think you were there either. It clearly does not say what you desperately claim it says. Only someone grasping at a straw in trying to deny the undeniable would weirdly claim otherwise. The photo clearly does not show what it claims to show in the caption, and does not show what is claimed in the article it illustrates either. You inadvertently put in a "not" in that sentence. It cannot possibly be justified, so it is reasonable to assume that you meant to say the opposite of what you actually said. The only circumstance in which you could possibly have meant what you specifically said would be that you were present at the scene (being the cyclist in the picture, perhaps) and are thus in a position to offer an alternative explanation (which might or might not be accepted) for a picture which otherwise, you cannot explain except in terms of it depicting exactly what the caption says it depicts. And is there any reason to doubt it? Other than that you simply don't want to accept it, I mean. |
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On 22/07/2013 10:36, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:54:58 +0100, Judith wrote: On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 08:27:55 +0100, Bertie Wooster wrote: snip Why would I be embarrassed by what happens in Ireland? "Lycra law-breakers" exist throughout the world? Are you proud of that then? Law-breakers exist throughout the world. I am proud that law-breaking is in steep decline in this country. Not, unfortunately, among cyclists. |
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On Monday, 22 July 2013 10:42:35 UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
I see no reason to doubt it. The reporter was there and I was not. In don't think you were there either. Are you such a wide-eyed innocent that you believe everything you read in a newspaper? The only circumstance in which you could possibly have meant what you specifically said would be that you were present at the scene (being the cyclist in the picture, perhaps) and are thus in a position to offer an alternative explanation (which might or might not be accepted) for a picture which otherwise, you cannot explain except in terms of it depicting exactly what the caption says it depicts. And is there any reason to doubt it? Other than that you simply don't want to accept it, I mean. Lets analyse this photo. The An Post lorry is in front of the red light, so has the light only just turned to red, is there a jam, is the cyclist about to stop? None of these questions can be answered from this photograph. |
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