another cyclist goes under a truck because he did not stop at a junction.

another one that cycled straight out and under a lorry, probably will live
though.

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/ne...l/article.html

On Sep 4, 12:31*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
another one that cycled straight out and under a lorry, probably will live
though.

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/ne...fted-truck-col...

The description seems to suggest that the lorry turned left across the
path of the cyclists, not that the cyclists failed to stop at the
junction:
"travelling down Cromford Hill to turn left into Water Lane while
about eight youngsters on bikes rode in the same direction."
If that's the case, I'm not sure how that is "an accident waiting to
happen". Maybe my interpetation is wrong. A lot depends on whether the
lorry overtook the cyclists then turned, or if the cyclists were
riding up the inside of slower traffic.

FrengaX wrote:
On Sep 4, 12:31 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
another one that cycled straight out and under a lorry, probably will live
though.

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/ne...fted-truck-col...

The description seems to suggest that the lorry turned left across the
path of the cyclists, not that the cyclists failed to stop at the
junction:
"travelling down Cromford Hill to turn left into Water Lane while
about eight youngsters on bikes rode in the same direction."
If that's the case, I'm not sure how that is "an accident waiting to
happen". Maybe my interpetation is wrong. A lot depends on whether the
lorry overtook the cyclists then turned, or if the cyclists were
riding up the inside of slower traffic.


Lorries tend not to "rattle" in slow traffic. That very observation
tends to indicate he was moving reasonably fast and therefore the
statements:

about eight youngsters on bikes rode in the same direction.

The lorry driver didn't see him.

is likely to be wrong. You can hardly not notice 8 kids on bikes when
you pass them. But as usual in such cases once his cab had passed them
it was probably out of sight out of mind.

Tony

FrengaX wrote:
On Sep 4, 12:31 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
another one that cycled straight out and under a lorry, probably
will live though.

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/ne...fted-truck-col...

The description seems to suggest that the lorry turned left across the
path of the cyclists, not that the cyclists failed to stop at the
junction:
"travelling down Cromford Hill to turn left into Water Lane while
about eight youngsters on bikes rode in the same direction."
If that's the case, I'm not sure how that is "an accident waiting to
happen". Maybe my interpetation is wrong. A lot depends on whether the
lorry overtook the cyclists then turned, or if the cyclists were
riding up the inside of slower traffic.

6 out of the group of eight cyclists stopped at the junction as they should,
two others tried to get across, one made it the other did not. I
understood that the cyclists had come along water lane toward Cromford hill,
the lorry was driving along cromford hill and therefore had no requirement
to stop or give way to the minor road.

Mrcheerful wrote:


I
understood that the cyclists had come along water lane toward Cromford hill,
the lorry was driving along cromford hill and therefore had no requirement
to stop or give way to the minor road.


Which bit of "He said the lorry, which he believed was 16 tonnes, had
been travelling down Cromford Hill to turn left into Water Lane while
about eight youngsters on bikes rode in the same direction." did you
misunderstand?

Tony

Tony Raven wrote:
Mrcheerful wrote:


I
understood that the cyclists had come along water lane toward
Cromford hill, the lorry was driving along cromford hill and
therefore had no requirement to stop or give way to the minor road.


Which bit of "He said the lorry, which he believed was 16 tonnes, had
been travelling down Cromford Hill to turn left into Water Lane while
about eight youngsters on bikes rode in the same direction." did you
misunderstand?

Tony

then why did they stop at the junction? or not as the case may be. perhaps
the witness is confused. If they were trying to undertake the lorry as it
turned left then they are even stupider than the average cyclist.

"Mrcheerful" wrote:
Tony Raven wrote:


Which bit of "He said the lorry, which he believed was 16 tonnes, had
been travelling down Cromford Hill to turn left into Water Lane while
about eight youngsters on bikes rode in the same direction." did you
misunderstand?

Tony

then why did they stop at the junction? or not as the case may be.
perhaps
the witness is confused. If they were trying to undertake the lorry
as it
turned left then they are even stupider than the average cyclist.

Wouldn't you try to stop if a lorry had half overtaken you and then
turned left across you?

Tony

Tony Raven wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote:
Tony Raven wrote:


Which bit of "He said the lorry, which he believed was 16 tonnes,
had been travelling down Cromford Hill to turn left into Water Lane
while about eight youngsters on bikes rode in the same direction."
did you misunderstand?

Tony

then why did they stop at the junction? or not as the case may be.
perhaps
the witness is confused. If they were trying to undertake the lorry
as it
turned left then they are even stupider than the average cyclist.

Wouldn't you try to stop if a lorry had half overtaken you and then
turned left across you?

Tony

I would certainly not attempt to undertake it, perhaps the cycle had no
brakes (another common cycle fault)

"Mrcheerful" wrote:
Tony Raven wrote:

Wouldn't you try to stop if a lorry had half overtaken you and then
turned left across you?

Tony

I would certainly not attempt to undertake it, perhaps the cycle had
no
brakes (another common cycle fault)

But how about the question I asked?

Tony

On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 04:46:44 -0700 (PDT), FrengaX
wrote:

A lot depends on whether the
lorry overtook the cyclists then turned, or if the cyclists were
riding up the inside of slower traffic.

Possibly they were riding on the pavement. 6 stopped at the junction
to let the lorry, which had right of way, to pass. One beat the lorry
and one of them failed to stop in time and rode into the side of the
lorry.