Second cyclist killed at junction.

Motorists will never accept longer journey times despite the lives
saved.

"A woman, thought to be in her 20s, has become the second person in
three weeks to be killed at a busy junction on a cycle superhighway in
east London.

The victim was pronounced dead at the Bow Roundabout at about 16:45
GMT on Friday, the Metropolitan Police said.

The crash also involved a lorry and the driver of this vehicle has
been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.

Last month a 58-year-old man was killed in a collision with a tipper
truck.

Transport for London (TfL) said at the time that he was the first
person to be killed on the superhighway network.

Four priority lanes for cyclists have been painted blue around London,
and another eight are due to open within the next four years..."

"..."It is time they bite the bullet and accept longer journey times
for motorists in exchange for keeping pedestrians and cyclists
safe."..."

Mo
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15703169

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On 12/11/2011 06:32, Doug wrote:

"A woman, thought to be in her 20s, has become the second person in
three weeks to be killed at a busy junction on a cycle superhighway in
east London.

Bicyclists are clearly too thick to realise that using a child's toy on
the road is dangerous. Didn't they learn from the first death?


--
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legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 22:32:04 -0800 (PST), Doug
wrote:

Motorists will never accept longer journey times despite the lives
saved.

"A woman, thought to be in her 20s, has become the second person in
three weeks to be killed at a busy junction on a cycle superhighway in
east London.

The victim was pronounced dead at the Bow Roundabout at about 16:45
GMT on Friday, the Metropolitan Police said.

The crash also involved a lorry and the driver of this vehicle has
been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.

Last month a 58-year-old man was killed in a collision with a tipper
truck.

Transport for London (TfL) said at the time that he was the first
person to be killed on the superhighway network.

Four priority lanes for cyclists have been painted blue around London,
and another eight are due to open within the next four years..."

"..."It is time they bite the bullet and accept longer journey times
for motorists in exchange for keeping pedestrians and cyclists
safe."..."

Mo
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15703169

I heard about this yesterday. Two deaths on a new section of Cycle
Superhighway in three weeks, when there have been no deaths on
Superhighways since the first superhighway opened.

Conincidence or poor cycle superhighway design?

I would be interested to hear what LCC cyclists said in the CRIM when
they rode the route with the designers as part of the consultation
process, and how their views were considered.

On 12/11/2011 10:42, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 22:32:04 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Motorists will never accept longer journey times despite the lives
saved.

"A woman, thought to be in her 20s, has become the second person in
three weeks to be killed at a busy junction on a cycle superhighway in
east London.

The victim was pronounced dead at the Bow Roundabout at about 16:45
GMT on Friday, the Metropolitan Police said.

The crash also involved a lorry and the driver of this vehicle has
been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.

Last month a 58-year-old man was killed in a collision with a tipper
truck.

Transport for London (TfL) said at the time that he was the first
person to be killed on the superhighway network.

Four priority lanes for cyclists have been painted blue around London,
and another eight are due to open within the next four years..."

"..."It is time they bite the bullet and accept longer journey times
for motorists in exchange for keeping pedestrians and cyclists
safe."..."

Mo
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15703169

I heard about this yesterday. Two deaths on a new section of Cycle
Superhighway in three weeks, when there have been no deaths on
Superhighways since the first superhighway opened.

Conincidence or poor cycle superhighway design?

Or the use of an unsuitable vehicle?

I would be interested to hear what LCC cyclists said in the CRIM when
they rode the route with the designers as part of the consultation
process, and how their views were considered.

I wonder if they asked any lorry divers to drive around the route?

I wonder if they considered their views?




--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:27:32 -0000, "Zapp Brannigan"
wrote:


"Simon Weaseltemper" wrote in message
...
On 12/11/2011 11:55, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:12:28 +0000, Dave - Cyclists VOR

I wonder if they asked any lorry divers to drive around the route?

I wonder if they considered their views?

Hopw many truck drivers have been killed or seriously injured at that
junction in recent years?

They were two thoroughly stupid remarks that Dave made, even by his own
standards.

Your reply merely sinks you to his level.

It is a legitimate question though. Traffic design for cycle safety should
especially include the perspective of the HGV & PSV drivers. If their
angles of visibility etc are not factored in, the route will be less safe.

I went of the CS5 Cycle Route Implementation Meeting (CRIM) ride.
There were no representatives of road hauliers or bus companies;
however, they were both present at the CRIM review.

On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:21:54 -0000, "Zapp Brannigan"
wrote:


"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
.. .

I heard about this yesterday. Two deaths on a new section of Cycle
Superhighway in three weeks, when there have been no deaths on
Superhighways since the first superhighway opened.

Conincidence or poor cycle superhighway design?

One possibility is that when a superhighway became available, more cyclists
moved onto it (feeling that it was a safer or more comfortable option).
But you would expect to seem similar patterns on other sections if that was
the only factor.

Does anyone undertake before & after traffic counts for these superhighways?
Do we know if they act as a concentrator for existing riders, and perhaps
persuade other people that they will now start cycling to work?

Cycle traffic increased 43% along CS7 and 83% along CS3, the two pilot
superhighways. The report does not state if cycling decreased or
increased on nearby local roads. There are good reasons why it may
increase or decrease: increased because of more overall cycle traffic;
decreased because cyclists have moved onto the superhighways.

I suspect the cycle traffic will have increased on local roads, as,
like the building of motorways increases motor traffic, the provision
of Superhighways will generate more cycle traffic.

Tipper trucks seem to have an alarming correlation to bicycle accidents -
more research is needed to ascertain the reason for that.

Indeed.

The lack of guard rails on most construction vehicles is widely
blamed.

http://thebikeshow.net/wp-content/up...10/06/bhs1.jpg

It is harder to go under a lorry with guard rails.

http://www.roadtransport.com/blogs/b...ures%20007.jpg
http://www.bellwastecontrol.co.uk/up...ip%20volvo.JPG

They cost about £400 to supply and fit.

On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:27:32 -0000, "Zapp Brannigan"
wrote:


"Simon Weaseltemper" wrote in message
...
On 12/11/2011 11:55, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:12:28 +0000, Dave - Cyclists VOR

I wonder if they asked any lorry divers to drive around the route?

I wonder if they considered their views?

Hopw many truck drivers have been killed or seriously injured at that
junction in recent years?

They were two thoroughly stupid remarks that Dave made, even by his own
standards.

Your reply merely sinks you to his level.

It is a legitimate question though. Traffic design for cycle safety should
especially include the perspective of the HGV & PSV drivers. If their
angles of visibility etc are not factored in, the route will be less safe.

Yes. Crushing by goods vehicles is probably the most pressing cycling
issue to be addressed in London right now, you can't do that by
talking only to the victims. There's not much Tom does not know about
cycle safety, especially in London.

Guy
--
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The usenet price promise: all opinions are guaranteed
to be worth at least what you paid for them.

On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:42:26 +0000, Bertie Wooster wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 22:32:04 -0800 (PST), Doug
wrote:

Motorists will never accept longer journey times despite the lives
saved.

"A woman, thought to be in her 20s, has become the second person in
three weeks to be killed at a busy junction on a cycle superhighway in
east London.

The victim was pronounced dead at the Bow Roundabout at about 16:45
GMT on Friday, the Metropolitan Police said.

The crash also involved a lorry and the driver of this vehicle has
been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.

Last month a 58-year-old man was killed in a collision with a tipper
truck.

Transport for London (TfL) said at the time that he was the first
person to be killed on the superhighway network.

Four priority lanes for cyclists have been painted blue around London,
and another eight are due to open within the next four years..."

"..."It is time they bite the bullet and accept longer journey times
for motorists in exchange for keeping pedestrians and cyclists
safe."..."

Mo
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15703169

I heard about this yesterday. Two deaths on a new section of Cycle
Superhighway in three weeks, when there have been no deaths on
Superhighways since the first superhighway opened.

Conincidence or poor cycle superhighway design?


I think it is just that cycling in London is dangerous - and it was going to
happen sooner or later.

On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:52:57 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:27:32 -0000, "Zapp Brannigan"
wrote:


"Simon Weaseltemper" wrote in message
...
On 12/11/2011 11:55, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:12:28 +0000, Dave - Cyclists VOR

I wonder if they asked any lorry divers to drive around the route?

I wonder if they considered their views?

Hopw many truck drivers have been killed or seriously injured at that
junction in recent years?

They were two thoroughly stupid remarks that Dave made, even by his own
standards.

Your reply merely sinks you to his level.

It is a legitimate question though. Traffic design for cycle safety should
especially include the perspective of the HGV & PSV drivers. If their
angles of visibility etc are not factored in, the route will be less safe.

Yes. Crushing by goods vehicles is probably the most pressing cycling
issue .........


Hello Porky

You really have a way with words.

I do not think that such frivolity was called for - my thoughts are with the
families.

--

Total number of posts to URC from
IP Address:80.254.146.36 over 6 years = 7

Guy Chapman : 5
Lou Knee: 2

Coincidence?
(Guy Chapman Dell Magnet)

On 12/11/2011 11:55, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:12:28 +0000, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 12/11/2011 10:42, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 22:32:04 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Motorists will never accept longer journey times despite the lives
saved.

"A woman, thought to be in her 20s, has become the second person in
three weeks to be killed at a busy junction on a cycle superhighway in
east London.

The victim was pronounced dead at the Bow Roundabout at about 16:45
GMT on Friday, the Metropolitan Police said.

The crash also involved a lorry and the driver of this vehicle has
been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.

Last month a 58-year-old man was killed in a collision with a tipper
truck.

Transport for London (TfL) said at the time that he was the first
person to be killed on the superhighway network.

Four priority lanes for cyclists have been painted blue around London,
and another eight are due to open within the next four years..."

"..."It is time they bite the bullet and accept longer journey times
for motorists in exchange for keeping pedestrians and cyclists
safe."..."

Mo
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15703169

I heard about this yesterday. Two deaths on a new section of Cycle
Superhighway in three weeks, when there have been no deaths on
Superhighways since the first superhighway opened.

Conincidence or poor cycle superhighway design?

Or the use of an unsuitable vehicle?

I would be interested to hear what LCC cyclists said in the CRIM when
they rode the route with the designers as part of the consultation
process, and how their views were considered.

=====Press Release=====

LONDON CYCLING CAMPAIGN DEMANDS IMMEDIATE BOW REDESIGN AFTER
ROUNDABOUT CLAIMS SECOND VICTIM IN THREE WEEKS

There have been vehement calls for an immediate redesign of the Bow
roundabout, after news that yesterday it claimed the life of a second
cyclist in three weeks.

The London cycling community has been stunned by the news that a
20-year-old female was killed on Friday afternoon in a collision with
an HGV at the same location where Olympic worker Brian Dorling was
killed in late October.

There have now been three fatalities and eight serious injuries at the
roundabout in recent years.

Cyclists are furious at the Mayor and Transport for London’s refusal
to address the danger, despite repeated warnings that the roundabout
poses an unacceptable threat to cyclists and pedestrians.

LCC's chief executive Ashok Sinha said, "During a 2010 inspection
ride, prior to the implementation of the Cycle Superhighway that
connects with this junction, we warned TfL in the starkest terms of
the dangers of left-turning vehicles, high traffic volumes and speeds,
and the absence of provision for cyclists.

"And when we saw the woefully inadequate design for Superhighway 2 in
February 2011, we wrote to senior Transport for London management to
warn them expressly that this roundabout posed a continued and real
danger.

"Indeed, LCC representatives met with the TfL's Cycle Safety Working
Group only yesterday afternoon, just hours before the crash, to tell
them again to put the safe design of junctions at the top of their
agenda.

"We're appalled at this latest preventable death and are fearful of
what may happen when large numbers of cyclists are expected to tackle
this junction on their way to and from the Olympics next year.

"We can't understand how this junction can form part of what is one of
the Mayor's flagship cycling projects: it must be redesigned now."

Earlier this week, the Mayor was forced to defend TfL’s safety record
in the London Assembly after recent cyclist fatalities at Bow
roundabout and Kings Cross left many Londoners angry and frustrated.

The sad news of the second Bow fatality came just hours before
hundreds of cyclists are expected to take to the streets in a protest
that will visit the 10 worst junctions in the capital.

Many of those planning to join the 'Tour du Danger' on Saturday
morning have indicated they'll wear black in memory of the latest
victim.

=====/Press Release=====

I wonder if they asked any lorry divers to drive around the route?

I wonder if they considered their views?

Hopw many truck drivers have been killed or seriously injured at that
junction in recent years?

What would that have to do with anything you idiot?

Had they bothered to ask the (road tax paying) truck drivers, they might
have realised that they have blind spots & need space to turn.

The truck drivers may well have suggested signs warning half witted
bicyclists not to position themselves in dangerous places.

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University