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LBS owner's essay
On 8/1/2020 3:46 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:08:33 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 8/1/2020 8:51 AM, wrote: On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 5:45:42 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: On 7/31/2020 6:10 AM, AMuzi wrote: Much wisdom he https://cyclingindustry.news/why-a-b...stomer-wisely/ Interesting article. One thing though is that too many shops no longer are willing to stock and sell the best products in each category, or any of the more esoteric bits and pieces. When I needed a replacement 10.5mm x 26 TPI nut for an SRAM 3x7 hub I first drove to 4 local shops. Forget it. One shop knew what I was talking about at least. Ordered it from YOUR shop. I wasn't trying to save money by ordering it, I just wanted the darn part and no LBS could help me. Later I found one LBS that had the "close enough" 13/32 x 26 TPI Sturmey-Archer axle nuts (that shop is now out of business). It's just become too much of a hassle for many people to go all over searching for the thing they want. Many shops have banker's hours and if you work it's difficult to go the shop except on Saturday. I can't blame a shop for not stocking a wide variety of slow-selling parts and accessories, despite the high margins. Hopefully the boom in bicycle sales will result in some sustained parts, accessory, and repair business after Covid is over. One might have thought that you would go to any auto parts store. You do know that the majority of autos in the USA use metric parts do you not? Sometimes that's good advice. In this case, not so much. Neither a 1.0 metric nor a 26tpi gauge fits exactly on those axles and Sachs/SRAM doesn't state the thread. Even if you decided that 'something close' would do, there are no m11x1.0 nuts in common use anywhere, not autos, not McMaster-Carr or what have you. I will go to Rock Auto or Ace Hardware for my metric connectors. heh heh We go to Ace Hardware for SAE fasteners (we're rolling in metric here). Still and all that Sachs/SRAM axle is a special, so you either buy the correct thread original part or do without. French Atom tandem axles are 11mm with yet another nonstandard fine thread. We stock those axle nuts as well. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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LBS owner's essay
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 2:02:51 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/1/2020 3:46 PM, wrote: On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:08:33 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 8/1/2020 8:51 AM, wrote: On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 5:45:42 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: On 7/31/2020 6:10 AM, AMuzi wrote: Much wisdom he https://cyclingindustry.news/why-a-b...stomer-wisely/ Interesting article. One thing though is that too many shops no longer are willing to stock and sell the best products in each category, or any of the more esoteric bits and pieces. When I needed a replacement 10.5mm x 26 TPI nut for an SRAM 3x7 hub I first drove to 4 local shops. Forget it. One shop knew what I was talking about at least. Ordered it from YOUR shop. I wasn't trying to save money by ordering it, I just wanted the darn part and no LBS could help me. Later I found one LBS that had the "close enough" 13/32 x 26 TPI Sturmey-Archer axle nuts (that shop is now out of business). It's just become too much of a hassle for many people to go all over searching for the thing they want. Many shops have banker's hours and if you work it's difficult to go the shop except on Saturday. I can't blame a shop for not stocking a wide variety of slow-selling parts and accessories, despite the high margins. Hopefully the boom in bicycle sales will result in some sustained parts, accessory, and repair business after Covid is over. One might have thought that you would go to any auto parts store. You do know that the majority of autos in the USA use metric parts do you not? Sometimes that's good advice. In this case, not so much. Neither a 1.0 metric nor a 26tpi gauge fits exactly on those axles and Sachs/SRAM doesn't state the thread. Even if you decided that 'something close' would do, there are no m11x1.0 nuts in common use anywhere, not autos, not McMaster-Carr or what have you. I will go to Rock Auto or Ace Hardware for my metric connectors. heh heh We go to Ace Hardware for SAE fasteners (we're rolling in metric here). Still and all that Sachs/SRAM axle is a special, so you either buy the correct thread original part or do without. French Atom tandem axles are 11mm with yet another nonstandard fine thread. We stock those axle nuts as well. The idea of rare and weird components with non-standard sizes makes me wonder why anyone would go that way. Is that SRAM hub an internally geared hub like the Sturmey-Archer? I was never much for those things because they usually had gear ratios you really couldn't use. A 9 speed and Triple would do anything. I was actually quite happy with 8 speeds since they had all of the necessary ratios with the proper spacing. They only made the 9 because Lance wanted a climbing gear added. They Shimano thought that they'd hit the jackpot since EVERYONE want to copy Lance. So multiple speeds came into being. And the only think that I can say about an 11 is that the chain is more flexible than the 10. |
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LBS owner's essay
AMuzi wrote: On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 5:45:42 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
When I needed a replacement 10.5mm x 26 TPI nut for an SRAM 3x7 hub Anyone surprised that SMS did not care to look up the part# or the specs in the SRAM manuals? SRAM Part # 65 0516 003 100 Axle Nut FG10,5 65 0516 107 000 Axle Cap Nut FG10,5 I first drove to 4 local shops. Forget it. One shop knew what I was talking about at least. Ordered it from YOUR shop. I wasn't trying to save money by ordering it, I just wanted the darn part and no LBS could help me. Later I found one LBS that had the "close enough" 13/32 x 26 TPI Sturmey-Archer axle nuts (that shop is now out of business). Because SMS, the pathetically cheap Walmart + China shopper, and his "smart" constituents, assume that an LBS can survive on selling a few, somewhat exotic, axle nuts a year, preferably stocked, to lazy cagers who smugly feel as if they are "supporting their LBS" by their grandiose spare nut purchases? Neither a 1.0 metric nor a 26tpi gauge fits exactly on those axles and Sachs/SRAM doesn't state the thread. Even if you decided that 'something close' would do, there are no m11x1.0 nuts in common use anywhere, not autos, not McMaster-Carr or what have you. From the SRAM techmanual gearhubsystems pdf (archive): Axle - Ends Diameter - FG 10,5 (FG = Fahrradgewinde) Your old Winkler-Rauch (book) has all the data on it: Steigung 0,977; Flankenwinkel 60°; Außendurchmesser 10,444; Flankendurchmesser 9,924; Kerndurchmesser 9,404; Gangzahl pro Zoll 26; Gewindetiefe 0,520; Gewinderundung 0,163 -- (any typos might be mine) |
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LBS owner's essay
On 8/1/2020 3:57 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:46:22 PM UTC-7, wrote: On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:08:33 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 8/1/2020 8:51 AM, wrote: On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 5:45:42 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: On 7/31/2020 6:10 AM, AMuzi wrote: Much wisdom he https://cyclingindustry.news/why-a-b...stomer-wisely/ Interesting article. One thing though is that too many shops no longer are willing to stock and sell the best products in each category, or any of the more esoteric bits and pieces. When I needed a replacement 10.5mm x 26 TPI nut for an SRAM 3x7 hub I first drove to 4 local shops. Forget it. One shop knew what I was talking about at least. Ordered it from YOUR shop. I wasn't trying to save money by ordering it, I just wanted the darn part and no LBS could help me. Later I found one LBS that had the "close enough" 13/32 x 26 TPI Sturmey-Archer axle nuts (that shop is now out of business). It's just become too much of a hassle for many people to go all over searching for the thing they want. Many shops have banker's hours and if you work it's difficult to go the shop except on Saturday. I can't blame a shop for not stocking a wide variety of slow-selling parts and accessories, despite the high margins. Hopefully the boom in bicycle sales will result in some sustained parts, accessory, and repair business after Covid is over. One might have thought that you would go to any auto parts store. You do know that the majority of autos in the USA use metric parts do you not? Sometimes that's good advice. In this case, not so much. Neither a 1.0 metric nor a 26tpi gauge fits exactly on those axles and Sachs/SRAM doesn't state the thread. Even if you decided that 'something close' would do, there are no m11x1.0 nuts in common use anywhere, not autos, not McMaster-Carr or what have you. I will go to Rock Auto or Ace Hardware for my metric connectors. What the hell is a SRAM Leasure hub? The unique axle thread discussed here is on Sachs Super Seven and P5 besides other products: http://www.yellowjersey.org/suprsevn.html -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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LBS owner's essay
On 8/1/2020 5:48 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
AMuzi wrote: On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 5:45:42 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: When I needed a replacement 10.5mm x 26 TPI nut for an SRAM 3x7 hub Anyone surprised that SMS did not care to look up the part# or the specs in the SRAM manuals? SRAM Part # 65 0516 003 100 Axle Nut FG10,5 65 0516 107 000 Axle Cap Nut FG10,5 I first drove to 4 local shops. Forget it. One shop knew what I was talking about at least. Ordered it from YOUR shop. I wasn't trying to save money by ordering it, I just wanted the darn part and no LBS could help me. Later I found one LBS that had the "close enough" 13/32 x 26 TPI Sturmey-Archer axle nuts (that shop is now out of business). Because SMS, the pathetically cheap Walmart + China shopper, and his "smart" constituents, assume that an LBS can survive on selling a few, somewhat exotic, axle nuts a year, preferably stocked, to lazy cagers who smugly feel as if they are "supporting their LBS" by their grandiose spare nut purchases? Neither a 1.0 metric nor a 26tpi gauge fits exactly on those axles and Sachs/SRAM doesn't state the thread. Even if you decided that 'something close' would do, there are no m11x1.0 nuts in common use anywhere, not autos, not McMaster-Carr or what have you. From the SRAM techmanual gearhubsystems pdf (archive): Axle - Ends Diameter - FG 10,5 (FG = Fahrradgewinde) Your old Winkler-Rauch (book) has all the data on it: Steigung 0,977; Flankenwinkel 60°; Außendurchmesser 10,444; Flankendurchmesser 9,924; Kerndurchmesser 9,404; Gangzahl pro Zoll 26; Gewindetiefe 0,520; Gewinderundung 0,163 I do think it's strange that they settled on non-standard threading for such a simple part. Despite claims, it can't be for reasons of strength. Andrew, any clue why they would have done that? Vaguely related: I'm in the habit of stripping fasteners or other potentially useful bits out of devices I'm discarding. So I've got several small drawers of 1/4-20 sorted by length, a small drawer of 5mmx0.8 stuff, one of 6mmx1, etc. And I've got a small drawer marked "Metric Misc." which is mostly fasteners that really shouldn't exist. They don't fit any standard I can find. - Frank Krygowski |
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LBS owner's essay
On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 5:45:42 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 7/31/2020 6:10 AM, AMuzi wrote: Much wisdom he https://cyclingindustry.news/why-a-b...stomer-wisely/ Interesting article. One thing though is that too many shops no longer are willing to stock and sell the best products in each category, or any of the more esoteric bits and pieces. When I needed a replacement 10.5mm x 26 TPI nut for an SRAM 3x7 hub I first drove to 4 local shops. Forget it. One shop knew what I was talking about at least. Ordered it from YOUR shop. I wasn't trying to save money by ordering it, I just wanted the darn part and no LBS could help me. Later I found one LBS that had the "close enough" 13/32 x 26 TPI Sturmey-Archer axle nuts (that shop is now out of business). It's just become too much of a hassle for many people to go all over searching for the thing they want. Many shops have banker's hours and if you work it's difficult to go the shop except on Saturday. I can't blame a shop for not stocking a wide variety of slow-selling parts and accessories, despite the high margins. Hopefully the boom in bicycle sales will result in some sustained parts, accessory, and repair business after Covid is over. I'm ****ed off that my LBS did NOT have a reverse thread, rod brake pad retaining bolt for my 1927 Bulldog ordinary! Really, you expect a shop to carry an axle bolt that is rare even on the interweb? I could understand your complaint if they didn't have a standard inner-tube, but I would expect a shop to order some Dodo bird part from the manufacturer or some distributor and not keeping it in stock, waiting for that one guy with a SRAM leisure hub -- who somehow LOST a hub nut -- to come into the shop. Its not like a wear item. -- Jay Beattie. -- Jay Beattie. |
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LBS owner's essay
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 6:10:38 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 5:45:42 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: On 7/31/2020 6:10 AM, AMuzi wrote: Much wisdom he https://cyclingindustry.news/why-a-b...stomer-wisely/ Interesting article. One thing though is that too many shops no longer are willing to stock and sell the best products in each category, or any of the more esoteric bits and pieces. When I needed a replacement 10.5mm x 26 TPI nut for an SRAM 3x7 hub I first drove to 4 local shops. Forget it. One shop knew what I was talking about at least. Ordered it from YOUR shop. I wasn't trying to save money by ordering it, I just wanted the darn part and no LBS could help me. Later I found one LBS that had the "close enough" 13/32 x 26 TPI Sturmey-Archer axle nuts (that shop is now out of business). It's just become too much of a hassle for many people to go all over searching for the thing they want. Many shops have banker's hours and if you work it's difficult to go the shop except on Saturday. I can't blame a shop for not stocking a wide variety of slow-selling parts and accessories, despite the high margins. Hopefully the boom in bicycle sales will result in some sustained parts, accessory, and repair business after Covid is over. I'm ****ed off that my LBS did NOT have a reverse thread, rod brake pad retaining bolt for my 1927 Bulldog ordinary! Really, you expect a shop to carry an axle bolt that is rare even on the interweb? I could understand your complaint if they didn't have a standard inner-tube, but I would expect a shop to order some Dodo bird part from the manufacturer or some distributor and not keeping it in stock, waiting for that one guy with a SRAM leisure hub -- who somehow LOST a hub nut -- to come into the shop. Its not like a wear item. -- Jay Beattie. Make that an axle nut. |
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On Sat, 01 Aug 2020 18:41:15 -0700, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 6:10:38 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 5:45:42 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: On 7/31/2020 6:10 AM, AMuzi wrote: Hopefully the boom in bicycle sales will result in some sustained parts, accessory, and repair business after Covid is over. I'm ****ed off that my LBS did NOT have a reverse thread, rod brake pad retaining bolt for my 1927 Bulldog ordinary! Really, you expect a shop to carry an axle bolt that is rare even on the interweb? I could understand your complaint if they didn't have a standard inner-tube, but I would expect a shop to order some Dodo bird part from the manufacturer or some distributor and not keeping it in stock, waiting for that one guy with a SRAM leisure hub -- who somehow LOST a hub nut -- to come into the shop. Its not like a wear item. -- Jay Beattie. Make that an axle nut. Had they developed the idea of custom parts for customer lock-in back then? Otherwise,the recently mentioned local blacksmith probably could have knocked one up for you. Sigh, not so recently the area lost a local business that kept all the standards of those bolts and nuts of high quality manufacture and now we are back to being awash in an ocean of cheaply manufactured bolts and nut where no two are the same and you take three spanners to be sure one matches. |
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LBS owner's essay
On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 3:10:38 AM UTC+2, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, July 31, 2020 at 5:45:42 PM UTC-7, sms wrote: On 7/31/2020 6:10 AM, AMuzi wrote: Much wisdom he https://cyclingindustry.news/why-a-b...stomer-wisely/ Interesting article. One thing though is that too many shops no longer are willing to stock and sell the best products in each category, or any of the more esoteric bits and pieces. When I needed a replacement 10.5mm x 26 TPI nut for an SRAM 3x7 hub I first drove to 4 local shops. Forget it. One shop knew what I was talking about at least. Ordered it from YOUR shop. I wasn't trying to save money by ordering it, I just wanted the darn part and no LBS could help me. Later I found one LBS that had the "close enough" 13/32 x 26 TPI Sturmey-Archer axle nuts (that shop is now out of business). It's just become too much of a hassle for many people to go all over searching for the thing they want. Many shops have banker's hours and if you work it's difficult to go the shop except on Saturday. I can't blame a shop for not stocking a wide variety of slow-selling parts and accessories, despite the high margins. Hopefully the boom in bicycle sales will result in some sustained parts, accessory, and repair business after Covid is over. I'm ****ed off that my LBS did NOT have a reverse thread, rod brake pad retaining bolt for my 1927 Bulldog ordinary! Really, you expect a shop to carry an axle bolt that is rare even on the interweb? I could understand your complaint if they didn't have a standard inner-tube, but I would expect a shop to order some Dodo bird part from the manufacturer or some distributor and not keeping it in stock, waiting for that one guy with a SRAM leisure hub -- who somehow LOST a hub nut -- to come into the shop. Its not like a wear item. -- Jay Beattie. -- Jay Beattie. Well I am disappointed in my LBS not carrying any Campy stuff other than a Record chain and shift cables. Cassettes they have to order which takes a week and 30% more expensive. I can have it on my doorstep within 1-3 days. Tough choice. I understand that a LBS can't have everything on stock and/or at the same online prices but common wear items they should have on stock at a reasonable price. For my last bike purchase I was disappointed in the service of the not so local bike shop being who was the only dealer in the Netherlands. Lou |
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