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Old May 16th 06, 04:06 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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The murderer of Ken Kifer, Jimmy Don Rodgers, is still behind bars.
Thank goodness Jimmy Don decided to screw up his chances for Parole.
His release date is now 2023.

Rob

Date: Sun, Sep 4 2005 11:03 pm
Email: Rob Perkins
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I was stunned to visit Ken Kifer's pages after a long time and find out
that he had been murdered by a serial drunk driver & drug abuser in Sep
2003. See
http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/index.htm

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Old May 16th 06, 03:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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RobertPerkins wrote:
The murderer of Ken Kifer, Jimmy Don Rodgers, is still behind bars.
Thank goodness Jimmy Don decided to screw up his chances for Parole.
His release date is now 2023.


I agree with the "thank goodness" part. Not necessarily for vengeance,
and not for justice (since I don't think justice was served with his
lenient sentence), but for public safety. My safety. Riding my bike
one county away, and regularly driving through Jackson County, I don't
want to have any more drunk drivers, out on bail for drunk driving, on
the road than absolutely necessary.

But the 2023 date is too good to be true. Are you sure he won't come up
for parole in another 3-4 years?

Pat

Date: Sun, Sep 4 2005 11:03 pm
Email: Rob Perkins
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I was stunned to visit Ken Kifer's pages after a long time and find out
that he had been murdered by a serial drunk driver & drug abuser in Sep
2003. See
http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/index.htm

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Pat Lamb writes:

RobertPerkins wrote:
The murderer of Ken Kifer, Jimmy Don Rodgers, is still behind bars.
Thank goodness Jimmy Don decided to screw up his chances for Parole.
His release date is now 2023.


I agree with the "thank goodness" part. Not necessarily for vengeance,
and not for justice (since I don't think justice was served with his
lenient sentence), but for public safety.


With that attitude noone would ever be released. The asshole who hit Ken
got 20 years : this is not a lenient sentence. In fact you could say it
was far too long for what could be described as "an alcohol induced accident".

If he can succeed in rehab then maybe, just maybe this young man can
serve a useful role in society once again.
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Old May 16th 06, 09:05 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Successful rehab? I don't know about that. According to Ken's website:

"Rodgers had been released from jail just four hours before hitting
Ken. He had been held for 12 hours on charges of DUI (Driving Under the
Influence) and a violation of the open container law. He has been
charged with murder."

The guy had only been release FOUR hours before he killed Ken after
sitting in jail for a DUI violation!

How did Jimmy Don "screw up" his chances for early parole?

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Hadron Quark wrote:

With that attitude noone would ever be released. The asshole who hit Ken
got 20 years : this is not a lenient sentence. In fact you could say it
was far too long for what could be described as "an alcohol induced accident".

If he can succeed in rehab then maybe, just maybe this young man can
serve a useful role in society once again.


Really? That he had posted bail on a previous DUI just hours before
driving drunk again and then after going to prison decided to risk
literally years of his life so he could get high doesn't bode well for
his successful rehabilitation.
BTW, the "young man" in question is 31 years old. At what age do we
stop excusing intentional criminal acts as "errors of youth"?

Regards,
Bob Hunt

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Old May 17th 06, 10:04 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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"Bob" writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:

With that attitude noone would ever be released. The asshole who hit Ken
got 20 years : this is not a lenient sentence. In fact you could say it
was far too long for what could be described as "an alcohol induced accident".

If he can succeed in rehab then maybe, just maybe this young man can
serve a useful role in society once again.


Really? That he had posted bail on a previous DUI just hours before
driving drunk again and then after going to prison decided to risk
literally years of his life so he could get high doesn't bode well for
his successful rehabilitation.


Agreed : but if he does/can then all the better.

BTW, the "young man" in question is 31 years old. At what age do we
stop excusing intentional criminal acts as "errors of youth"?


Who said it was an error of youth? He certainly deserves punishment :
but to lock away the key is extreme and certainly not how any developed
society or legal system should handle it.


Regards,
Bob Hunt


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Hadron Quark wrote:


He certainly deserves punishment :
but to lock away the key is extreme and certainly not how any developed
society or legal system should handle it.


I'm a bit curious about how other developed societies and legal systems
handle such a thing.

To review: IIRC, he was a person with a long history of putting
innocent people's lives at risk, over and over. He was jailed for this
- itself unusual, indicating a serious problem. Within hours after
release, he repeated the same offense, this time killing an innocent
person.

And, apparently, he behaves badly enough in prison that the legal
system decide he can't be rehabilitated.

Do other societies say "Oh well" and turn him loose on their citizens?


- Frank Krygowski

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Old May 18th 06, 08:55 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Hadron Quark wrote:
"Bob" writes:

Hadron Quark wrote:

With that attitude noone would ever be released. The asshole who hit Ken
got 20 years : this is not a lenient sentence. In fact you could say it
was far too long for what could be described as "an alcohol induced accident".

If he can succeed in rehab then maybe, just maybe this young man can
serve a useful role in society once again.


Really? That he had posted bail on a previous DUI just hours before
driving drunk again and then after going to prison decided to risk
literally years of his life so he could get high doesn't bode well for
his successful rehabilitation.


Agreed : but if he does/can then all the better.


It's easy enough to say, "if he can succeed in rehab then maybe, just
maybe...", but all indications are that he won't succeed. Punishment
for the damage he's already done aside, it's an issue of probability
versus possibilty. The probability he would repeat his past behavior
outweighs the apparently remote possibility that he can be
rehabilitated.

BTW, the "young man" in question is 31 years old. At what age do we
stop excusing intentional criminal acts as "errors of youth"?


Who said it was an error of youth?


You seemed to be implying just that when you described a 31 year old
habitual drunk driver and drug user as a, "... young man (that) can
serve a useful role in society...".

He certainly deserves punishment :
but to lock away the key is extreme and certainly not how any developed
society or legal system should handle it.


It's not backward for a society to say in effect, "Enough is enough.
You knew the rules and the penalties for breaking them. You broke those
rules and we gave you a second chance. You apparently still haven't
learned to live by the rules so we're going to banish you from our
society until you do learn". It's also not a sign of sophistication for
a society to say, "Here are the rules and the penalties for breaking
them but if you break them, don't worry. We'll give you second, third,
and fourth chances if necessary. We won't ever actually impose the
penalties prescribed because that wouldn't be the mark of a developed
society."

Regards,
Bob Hunt

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Ken inspired me to get into bicycle touring, and corresponded with me from
time to time. I sure miss his posts.

"RobertPerkins" wrote in message
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The murderer of Ken Kifer, Jimmy Don Rodgers, is still behind bars.
Thank goodness Jimmy Don decided to screw up his chances for Parole.
His release date is now 2023.

Rob

Date: Sun, Sep 4 2005 11:03 pm
Email: Rob Perkins
Groups: rec.bicycles.misc

I was stunned to visit Ken Kifer's pages after a long time and find out
that he had been murdered by a serial drunk driver & drug abuser in Sep
2003. See
http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/index.htm



 




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