bike facility failure

AMuzi wrote:
:On 4/11/2017 10:08 AM, David Scheidt wrote:
: wrote:
: :On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:52:47 AM UTC-5, David Scheidt wrote:
: : http://imgur.com/c9Pujrv
: :
: : (The bike lane is not actually closed, they just want to kill you.)
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: : sig 75
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: :The sign just says "Bike Lane Closed, Use Other Side". Without seeing it in person, I'd think there is a bike lane on the other side of the road. They want you to ride against traffic in the other bike lane. And against other bikes using the other lane. Not ideal, but if the bike lane is wide, then the wrong way bikes would be well away from oncoming cars.
:
: The bike lane is about 18" wide, and filled with debris. The traffic
: lanes are 16'. It's a low volume road through an industrial park,
: there's no reason even sms would feel unsafe riding in the street.
:
: It's a sign put up by a moron, who is probably not qualified to be
: allowed out of the house.
:

:*sigh* another alderman's relative successfully removed from
rivate company payrolls...

The sign is in Lincolnwood, so a Trustee, and not an alderman, but
probably.



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On 4/10/2017 10:46 PM, wrote:
On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:52:47 AM UTC-5, David Scheidt wrote:
http://imgur.com/c9Pujrv

(The bike lane is not actually closed, they just want to kill you.)

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sig 75

The sign just says "Bike Lane Closed, Use Other Side". Without seeing it in person, I'd think there is a bike lane on the other side of the road. They want you to ride against traffic in the other bike lane. And against other bikes using the other lane. Not ideal, but if the bike lane is wide, then the wrong way bikes would be well away from oncoming cars.

I'm not a fan of riding against traffic, except perhaps in well-designed
contra-flow bike lanes on one way streets.

Mikael Colville-Andersen is one of the worlds biggest proponents of
segregation for bikes. But he thinks the American fashion for promoting
bi-directional cycletracks is crazy. See
http://www.copenhagenize.com/2014/06...cle-track.html


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- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 9:39:26 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/10/2017 10:46 PM, wrote:
On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:52:47 AM UTC-5, David Scheidt wrote:
http://imgur.com/c9Pujrv

(The bike lane is not actually closed, they just want to kill you.)

--
sig 75

The sign just says "Bike Lane Closed, Use Other Side". Without seeing it in person, I'd think there is a bike lane on the other side of the road. They want you to ride against traffic in the other bike lane. And against other bikes using the other lane. Not ideal, but if the bike lane is wide, then the wrong way bikes would be well away from oncoming cars.

I'm not a fan of riding against traffic, except perhaps in well-designed
contra-flow bike lanes on one way streets.

Mikael Colville-Andersen is one of the worlds biggest proponents of
segregation for bikes. But he thinks the American fashion for promoting
bi-directional cycletracks is crazy. See
http://www.copenhagenize.com/2014/06...cle-track.html


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- Frank Krygowski

Alameda which is an Island attached to Oakland via a couple of bridges and a "tube" (for when the Navy base was operational) is trying the segregation method. They have the two way bike lane inside of the parking lane with traffic outside of that. I'm not particularly impressed since Alameda drivers are very calm in the first place. And two way bike traffic counts on the cyclists knowing how to ride inside of a narrow lane.

Alameda which is an Island attached to Oakland via a couple of bridges and a "tube" (for when the Navy base was operational) is trying the segregation method. They have the two way bike lane inside of the parking lane with traffic outside of that. I'm not particularly impressed since Alameda drivers are very calm in the first place. And two way bike traffic counts on the cyclists knowing how to ride inside of a narrow lane.

Is that where Craig Hightower of ba.motorcycles died some years back?

On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 12:54:35 PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
Alameda which is an Island attached to Oakland via a couple of bridges and a "tube" (for when the Navy base was operational) is trying the segregation method. They have the two way bike lane inside of the parking lane with traffic outside of that. I'm not particularly impressed since Alameda drivers are very calm in the first place. And two way bike traffic counts on the cyclists knowing how to ride inside of a narrow lane.

Is that where Craig Hightower of ba.motorcycles died some years back?

I'm afraid that's something that is lost in my concussion. The only people I remember are David Scott, Bart Markel and Dick Mann. And a couple of people I worked with at Bob's Cycle Stop.

On 4/11/2017 3:40 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 9:39:26 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/10/2017 10:46 PM, wrote:
On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:52:47 AM UTC-5, David Scheidt wrote:
http://imgur.com/c9Pujrv

(The bike lane is not actually closed, they just want to kill you.)

--
sig 75

The sign just says "Bike Lane Closed, Use Other Side". Without seeing it in person, I'd think there is a bike lane on the other side of the road. They want you to ride against traffic in the other bike lane. And against other bikes using the other lane. Not ideal, but if the bike lane is wide, then the wrong way bikes would be well away from oncoming cars.

I'm not a fan of riding against traffic, except perhaps in well-designed
contra-flow bike lanes on one way streets.

Mikael Colville-Andersen is one of the worlds biggest proponents of
segregation for bikes. But he thinks the American fashion for promoting
bi-directional cycletracks is crazy. See
http://www.copenhagenize.com/2014/06...cle-track.html


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- Frank Krygowski

Alameda which is an Island attached to Oakland via a couple of bridges and a "tube" (for when the Navy base was operational) is trying the segregation method. They have the two way bike lane inside of the parking lane with traffic outside of that. I'm not particularly impressed since Alameda drivers are very calm in the first place. And two way bike traffic counts on the cyclists knowing how to ride inside of a narrow lane.

A two-way bike lane on one side of the road also counts on motorists who
cross it knowing to look for wrong-way cyclists. For example, a
motorist turning left across such a lane is very unlikely to check for a
fast cyclist going parallel to him at his left before he turns.
Designers pretend that painting pavement green will cure all problems,
but I'm very skeptical.


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- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 2:58:50 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/11/2017 3:40 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 9:39:26 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/10/2017 10:46 PM, wrote:
On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:52:47 AM UTC-5, David Scheidt wrote:
http://imgur.com/c9Pujrv

(The bike lane is not actually closed, they just want to kill you.)

--
sig 75

The sign just says "Bike Lane Closed, Use Other Side". Without seeing it in person, I'd think there is a bike lane on the other side of the road. They want you to ride against traffic in the other bike lane. And against other bikes using the other lane. Not ideal, but if the bike lane is wide, then the wrong way bikes would be well away from oncoming cars.

I'm not a fan of riding against traffic, except perhaps in well-designed
contra-flow bike lanes on one way streets.

Mikael Colville-Andersen is one of the worlds biggest proponents of
segregation for bikes. But he thinks the American fashion for promoting
bi-directional cycletracks is crazy. See
http://www.copenhagenize.com/2014/06...cle-track.html


--
- Frank Krygowski

Alameda which is an Island attached to Oakland via a couple of bridges and a "tube" (for when the Navy base was operational) is trying the segregation method. They have the two way bike lane inside of the parking lane with traffic outside of that. I'm not particularly impressed since Alameda drivers are very calm in the first place. And two way bike traffic counts on the cyclists knowing how to ride inside of a narrow lane.

A two-way bike lane on one side of the road also counts on motorists who
cross it knowing to look for wrong-way cyclists. For example, a
motorist turning left across such a lane is very unlikely to check for a
fast cyclist going parallel to him at his left before he turns.
Designers pretend that painting pavement green will cure all problems,
but I'm very skeptical.


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- Frank Krygowski

But they only have this bike lane along the beach so there are no left turning cars. But there are more than enough pedestrians walking in front of the racers without looking to make up for it.

On 4/12/2017 10:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 2:58:50 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/11/2017 3:40 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 9:39:26 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/10/2017 10:46 PM, wrote:
On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:52:47 AM UTC-5, David Scheidt wrote:
http://imgur.com/c9Pujrv

(The bike lane is not actually closed, they just want to kill you.)

--
sig 75

The sign just says "Bike Lane Closed, Use Other Side". Without seeing it in person, I'd think there is a bike lane on the other side of the road. They want you to ride against traffic in the other bike lane. And against other bikes using the other lane. Not ideal, but if the bike lane is wide, then the wrong way bikes would be well away from oncoming cars.

I'm not a fan of riding against traffic, except perhaps in well-designed
contra-flow bike lanes on one way streets.

Mikael Colville-Andersen is one of the worlds biggest proponents of
segregation for bikes. But he thinks the American fashion for promoting
bi-directional cycletracks is crazy. See
http://www.copenhagenize.com/2014/06...cle-track.html


--
- Frank Krygowski

Alameda which is an Island attached to Oakland via a couple of bridges and a "tube" (for when the Navy base was operational) is trying the segregation method. They have the two way bike lane inside of the parking lane with traffic outside of that. I'm not particularly impressed since Alameda drivers are very calm in the first place. And two way bike traffic counts on the cyclists knowing how to ride inside of a narrow lane.

A two-way bike lane on one side of the road also counts on motorists who
cross it knowing to look for wrong-way cyclists. For example, a
motorist turning left across such a lane is very unlikely to check for a
fast cyclist going parallel to him at his left before he turns.
Designers pretend that painting pavement green will cure all problems,
but I'm very skeptical.


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- Frank Krygowski

But they only have this bike lane along the beach so there are no left turning cars. But there are more than enough pedestrians walking in front of the racers without looking to make up for it.

I will say, there are some places where bi-directional edge of the road
sidepaths can work. Not having intersections helps.

And I have to correct one of my previous statements. I said I
personally knew only two cyclists who had been hit by cars, but I just
recalled the third. He was riding in the only bi-directional bike lane
near us (in our metropark) when he was hit by a car turning into a
parking lot.

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- Frank Krygowski

On 4/12/2017 10:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/12/2017 10:17 AM, wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/11/2017 3:40 PM, wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/10/2017 10:46 PM, wrote:
On Monday, April 10, 2017 David Scheidt wrote:

http://imgur.com/c9Pujrv
(The bike lane is not actually closed, they just want
to kill you.)

- snip snip -
And I have to correct one of my previous statements. I said
I personally knew only two cyclists who had been hit by
cars, but I just recalled the third. He was riding in the
only bi-directional bike lane near us (in our metropark)
when he was hit by a car turning into a parking lot.


Well, then.
A completely insignificant anomaly to everyone but the victim.

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