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Can you make it to the market on a bike?
"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... Why the hell would anyone except an idiot want to drive these very small distances? Because I will never share a road again with cars in this country. I believe that even in Worthington, it isn't safe It may be an exceptionally low number of people that are involved in bike/car accidents but trust me, You don't want to be the person on the bike. |
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Can you make it to the market on a bike?
Jeff Grippe wrote:
"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... Why the hell would anyone except an idiot want to drive these very small distances? Because I will never share a road again with cars in this country. I believe that even in Worthington, it isn't safe It may be an exceptionally low number of people that are involved in bike/car accidents but trust me, You don't want to be the person on the bike. Look at the numbers of people who get totalled while driving or riding in cars. That isn't safe either (especially when they get hit by trucks...). While your own personal misfortune will have an understandably big impact on your risk assessments, it is the case that it's a bad way to play the odds for any subsequent events. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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Can you make it to the market on a bike?
"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "archierob" wrote in message ... Well done! One only has to read Bill Bryson's book 'Notes from a Big Country' to realise just how pervasive the automobile is in America. Trying to get anywhere other than by car is difficult - even crossing over the road from his hotel to a diner. The one anecdote that made me howl with laughter was when he returned to the US for a while and invited his neighbours to dinner -they came by car! They drove down their drive, turned left and then drove up his drive. The thing that amazes me the most is that in small town America everyone drives everywhere, even if it is only a few blocks. No wonder we are all turning into fat slobs. I will NEVER drive my car in town. I use it strictly for going to other towns in the vicinity. You can go anywhere in this town of Worthington, Minnesota (12,000 pop.) in 15 minutes by bicycle at the most. Why the hell would anyone except an idiot want to drive these very small distances. And yet, EVERYONE does! The goal of most people is to minimize time. They do not want to make multiple trips to bring back a small amount of food or supplies. Makes perfect sense. If your time is not very valuable, a bike makes sense. |
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Can you make it to the market on a bike?
Jack May wrote:
The goal of most people is to minimize time. They do not want to make multiple trips to bring back a small amount of food or supplies. Makes perfect sense. Which is why I use a bigger bike. I've carried a two seater sofa on my freight bike with no great trouble, and it easily fits a trolley load of groceries. Doesn't take significantly longer, and any degree which it is longer is easily repaid by me being fitter and healthier and not spending so much on the car, so I lose less time elsewhere. If your time is not very valuable, a bike makes sense. There's more to time than the immediate short term trip. But even if that is all there is to it then a bike will often be quicker. Bikes routinely work quicker than cars in congested urban settings: if that weren't the case, cycle couriers wouldn't exist. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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Do Cars REALLY Save Time??
In rec.bicycles.misc Jack May wrote:
I will NEVER drive my car in town. I use it strictly for going to other towns in the vicinity. You can go anywhere in this town of Worthington, Minnesota (12,000 pop.) in 15 minutes by bicycle at the most. Why the hell would anyone except an idiot want to drive these very small distances. And yet, EVERYONE does! The goal of most people is to minimize time. They do not want to make multiple trips to bring back a small amount of food or supplies. Makes perfect sense. If your time is not very valuable, a bike makes sense. There's a cycling web page out there (someone here will have heard of it, or you could Google it) that recounts the experience of a guy who put a Hobbes meter in his car. A Hobbes meter looks like an odometer, but measures time. After about four years owning the car he read the two meters, did the math, and discovered that he and his car had been averaging 17 mph. People think of their cars move them along at 40 mph or whatever because that's what the speed limits signs say, but they forget that they spend a lot of time at red lights, stuck in traffic jams, etc. My 6 mile commute to work only takes me five or ten minutes longer than driving does. And this person's calculations didn't take into account the fact that he was also spending part of every work day earning the money to pay for his car. Figure that in and that average mph number might easily go below 10 mph, slower than a lot of bikes. I got thinking of all this last Saturday, when I spent $500 on car repairs and then tried to get to a wedding and got stuck for 45 minutes on I-15 because of a horrible accident that brought no less than four ground ambulances and a helicopter to the scene where the SUV had crashed and burned. Bill __o | I used to think that I was cool, running around on fossil fuel _`\(,_ | Until I saw what I was doing was driving down the road to ruin. (_)/ (_) | - James Taylor |
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Do Cars REALLY Save Time??
On my old commute, ~4 miles each way, my commute time by car was
anywhere from 12 minutes to 25 minutes, depending on traffic, lights, etc. If I really lucked out (hit green for all 7 lights) I could drive it in 10. In rush hour, I'd have to sit through 2-3 cycles at some lights. 20 minutes was the norm. By bike, I'd do the same distance in ~15 minutes. During the rush- hour peak I was almost guaranteed to make better time by bike since I never had to sit at a light for more than one cycle. Another time-saving benefit to using a bike is no parking hassles. Most stores in our area now have bike racks. Most of those are right near the front door: easy-peasy. I really appreciate this during the holiday shopping season(!) - JR |
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Can you make it to the market on a bike?
"Peter Clinch" wrote in message ... Jack May wrote: The goal of most people is to minimize time. They do not want to make multiple trips to bring back a small amount of food or supplies. Makes perfect sense. Which is why I use a bigger bike. I've carried a two seater sofa on my freight bike with no great trouble, and it easily fits a trolley load of groceries. Doesn't take significantly longer, and any degree which it is longer is easily repaid by me being fitter and healthier and not spending so much on the car, so I lose less time elsewhere. If your time is not very valuable, a bike makes sense. There's more to time than the immediate short term trip. But even if that is all there is to it then a bike will often be quicker. Bikes routinely work quicker than cars in congested urban settings: if that weren't the case, cycle couriers wouldn't exist. But very few of us live in a congested urban area. If we ride the bike to the store, there is usually no place to lock it up making it vulnerable to being stolen and making it a very expensive trip. |
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Can you make it to the market on a bike?
Cathy Kearns wrote:
Yes, I go to the market on the bike all the time. Actually, there are several different markets I bike to. Not all marketing routes have bike paths, but most are either not all that busy, or have shoulders, so I'm fine with that. There are multiple places I shop that are difficult or very inconvenient to park at with a car. It's much easier to shop by bike. The time difference to get there by car versus bike is pretty minimal. -- Dane Buson - "High explosives are often applicable where truth and logic fail." |
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