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OK, how about separated bike lanes?
On Aug 1, 9:58 pm, (Bill Z.) wrote:
William writes: On Aug 1, 7:44 pm, (Bill Z.) wrote: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman writes: Bill Zaumen wrote: Nonesense. You simply have a road with multiple lanes and slower traffic is required to use the rightmost lane. If it is a bike lane, then the rightmost lane is one that motor vehicles cannot use unless preparing for a turn across that lane. Yeah, right. Put in a painted "bike lane" on the street (or even worse, sidewalk), and the brain-dead cagers think that cyclists SHOULD NOT be anywhere else. Which is why most drivers don't yell at me for using a left turn lane, whether or not there is a bike lane. And some actually smile if I move out of a bike lane to stop at a red light so that right-turning cars can get by. They Smile? What a depressing life one must have if there highlight of the day was a bike made it eaiser for you to make a right turn.... When you have a really nasty bug to track down as part of your 6-figure job, any act of kindness is really appreciated. :-) People around here are very busy, so anything that helps them get to where they are going faster gets a positive reaction. Also, it is a very liberal community by U.S. standards (although not quite as liberal as San Francisco). Here's a picture of our local movie theater http://www.stanfordtheatre.org/stf/. Click on "This Week" to see what we get. You'll be truly amazed. It must really be liberal because it got such a great theater, not a conservative place with a mega church and all. They really hate the arts and bike lanes. I see them driving SUVs... |
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OK, how about separated bike lanes?
On Aug 1, 9:40 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
wrote: And what do you expect to have when you go around electing members of a political party (whose name starts with "R") whose official position is that government can't work? We have been making progress on that front in recent years. [1] This, in many cases DOES not including exceeding the speed limit, which is about the only thing that ever seems to be enforced. [2] To a point. Obviously, in a country with a ridiculous level of overpopulation such as China, cycling in urban areas is not enjoyable unless one likes being part of a slow moving congested mass of people on bicycles. OK, I finally figured you out. We may disagree on the bike lane as part of the solution, but we totally agree on the absolute need to retire a bunch of bad drivers, and enforce some rules of the road. Lane discipline should be a high priority so you don't drivers overtaking on the right lane at supersonic speeds, right next to the bicycles. This is addressed too in our Political Platform... "Our roads, where the Law of the Jungle rules, should be made safer, say by enforcing passing on the left only." See http://webspawner.com/users/elections2008 |
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SO HERE'S THE CAMPAIGN!
On Aug 1, 9:55 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
wrote: "donquijote1954" who? wrote: ... Thank you for explaining so well what I have in mind. Actually that's the idea behind... http://www.cafepress.com/burncalories I think a better solution would be two jerseys [1]. In the morning [2], the jersey worn would say in large letters on the back "RIDING TO WORK". The afternoon jersey would say "RIDING HOME FROM WORK". [1] Or a reversible sign for recumbents. [2] Reverse for night shift workers. Yeah, but then you need more like, "RIDING TO THE MARKET," "RIDING TO HAVE A DATE," etc. |
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OK, how about separated bike lanes?
On Aug 1, 10:01 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
wrote: "donquijote1954" who? wrote: ... You still avoiding my question: BIKE LANES OR NO BIKE LANES, HOW DO WE BRING BIKE RIDERSHIP FROM THE AMERICAN OR BRITISH LEVE[L]S TO THE DUTCH OR DANISH LEVELS?... The Danes have almost a 100% tax on new automobiles, high gas taxes, and (in the cities) very limited and expensive parking. They also have a beautiful cool spring to fall climate, and winters that can be mostly handled with proper raingear. Ride to work even a short distance at a slow pace in much of the U.S. during summer and you will be soaked in sweat. You know some bikes do have an electric motor? We can use some of those. Where I live is real hot, but doable in the early morning and late afternoon. |
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Can you make it to the market on a bike?
On Aug 1, 10:22 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
wrote: aka Joshua Putnam wrote: ... Even the limited-access freeway near me has its shoulder open to bicycles -- bikes are allowed on many miles of Interstates, boring and noisy, but safe and direct.... Do the drivers look for cyclists crossing their path when merging and exiting? They only talking on the phone. But then again, we need to retire them. |
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OK, how about separated bike lanes?
On Aug 2, 12:02 am, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
wrote: Pat who? wrote: ...If you don't like it, go talk to the lawmakers. That is not a practical suggestion for those of us who can not afford to attend $1000/plate fund-raising dinners. That's only the price to get in. To get listened to you need at least 100 times that amount. |
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OK, how about separated bike lanes?
"Pat" wrote in message ups.com... On Aug 1, 1:25 pm, "Amy Blankenship" wrote: "Pat" wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 1, 12:39 pm, "Amy Blankenship" wrote: "Pat" wrote in message groups.com... On Aug 1, 11:54 am, William wrote: On Aug 1, 10:25 am, Pat wrote: On Aug 1, 10:43 am, donquijote1954 wrote: On Aug 1, 4:00 am, Peter Clinch wrote: Yes, there are some idiots who'll sit behind you and honk at you, but they won't run you down, because it might scratch the paintwork. If you push people off into bike lanes as a rule they will be far more maligned and looked down upon on the instances where they have no choice to use the roads, if they're typically in a bike lane instead. They don't help. We know they don't help as we can see them not helping. *HAVE YOU GOT THAT YET?* You still avoiding my question: BIKE LANES OR NO BIKE LANES, HOW DO WE BRING BIKE RIDERSHIP FROM THE AMERICAN OR BRITISH LEVES TO THE DUTCH OR DANISH LEVELS? You see, you are thinking about the problem from the wrong direction. You are saying "biking is great, what is wrong with everyone else". Instead, you need to examine why other people don't bike and address that. Predominantly, I would think it is the combination of "no time to bike & no place to bike to". Most people won't bike to work if they get sweaty or if they work the night shift, etc. Bike lanes might partially address the "no place to bike to" issue, but not really. For example, I need to run out and get my kid some things for football practice. While we're at it we need to do some back-to-school shopping. Okay, that's simple and the kid is in great shape. I just need to run to the nearest sporting goods store. Fortunately, there's a small mall across the street. This trip is a bit unusually because I do 90% of my shopping at the nest Walmart. So ideally, this is bikeable. But the problem is, the nearest sporting goods store is about 45 miles away. That's about 15 miles past the Walmart. So at 10 mph (because of the hills and the purchases), you're talking at 9 hour bike ride. I don't blame you, biking works best when everything is more central and dense like a metro area. So I think your idea has merit, it just needs to be tweeked. The community didn't allow a Walmart because of a DOT right-of-way issue. But maybe if we had more Walmarts, so that they were closer to people, the people could bike to them easier. Plus if they put in SuperCenters with groceries, then more shopping could be done in 1 trip. So I guess bike lanes are part of the problem, but having a place to go is the other part. Therefore, maybe you should lobby for more Walmarts -- and have them tied into bikeways -- to encourage shopping by bike. Have you no sense of quality Pat? I guess that is implied when your from nowhere land. I don't follow your logic. Of course I am from the middle of nowhere. That's great. Clean air. Clean water. Mountains in the background (okay, the Allegany's aren't exactly the Rockies). It is a nice, simple life. What else to I need. This is a great lifestyle. What "quality" am I missing? The Kleenex from Walmart is somehow worst than the Kleenex from the Kleenex Boutique? The $18 Harry Potter book I bought last week has different words in it than $32 version in your corner bookstore? My backyard swimming pool is somehow less wet than your municipal one? My fruit-of-the-loom underwear are somehow less fruity than yours from the mall. Does a Timex keep different time than a Rolex -- it doesn't really matter to me, because I don't wear a watch. You might crave some imported, organic, fresh pasta only made by virgins on the hillsides of Italy. But regular pasta is fine by me. You don't need that stuff to live well. You only need it to fill the hollow spots in your sole. There's nothing wrong with simplicity. I'm not exactly a monk, but this definitely isn't Madison Ave. But that's what makes it nice. On Friday, a friend and I are thinking of throwing a canoe on the Allegany River and going a few miles, just for the heck of it. That's excitement around here. Besides, the Walmarts around here are pretty generous when it comes to youth sports. We'll hit up each of them during fundraising for each of the sports. It's not a lot, but they'll throw in $25 to $50 (each) any time they are asked -- and we ask them quite often. That buys stuff for the concession stand or for a raffle. So what about this "quality" thing? If you had a Wal-Mart right there they would immediately start four-laning the road in front of it and put in access roads. That would make it far less bike friendly. Most ordinary sized grocery stores, however, do not insist on four lane highways. Cluster a number of smaller shops around it and you have most of the selection of Wal-Mart, probably better quality, and a more bike-friendly environment. -Amy Man, I am dating myself, but remember the days when a few bigger grocery stores out build next to a department store and share a common entrance. It was like a Jamesway next to a Shop Rite. Jamesway, Barkers and others all did that, here and there. You could go between the stores, up at the front. Now, all of those departments stores are closed. Must not have been such a good idea. The thing is, people LIKE Walmart. Maybe you don't and William doesn't, but there are sure a whole lot of people out there who do. We'd like one here. The sales tax revenue would help the city coffers and people wouldn't have to drive so far to buy skivies. About that sales tax revenue... http://www.newrules.org/retail/polic...MARTREPORT.pdf 3 interesting -- and useless -- studies. The first one suggests that somehow, the sales tax from Walmart will be less than the sales taxes from stores that close because of WM. Well, that would only be true if the total volume of taxable sales fell because of WM. Granted, it will redistribute sales taxes because they will spike in the area near WM as WM has it sales and the store in that area see increased sales. Sales tax will fall 20 to 30 miles away where WM has a negative impact on stores. That study is also interesting in that it blames WM for increased crime. I don't know about you, but I think the CRIMINAL is responsible for the crime, not the victim. If a sexy woman wears a tiny bit of clothing down the street and gets rapes, is SHE to blame or is it the rapist? The second study is typical government-trash. The government hires a consultant who then interviews the government officials and develops a study that legitimizes their views. That's what the methodology says they did. The most interesting part of the study is that is discusses assessment based on cost, not replacement value. That is easy data collection but bad assessment practice. The other interesting thing is that the study was significantly biases away from hotels. There is another problem with this type of study, which I call "The Salt Situation". It involves a great deal of research I did on the cost of road salt. The conclusion can only be summarized as the cost/ benefit of de-icing salt is whatever you want it to be and it changes depending on how you want to measure cost & benefit. This study uses a snapshot approach, which is the most limited view but I will stay with The Salt Situation to explain things. If you look at the cost of buying salt v. the cost of sand, salt is more expensive. But, if you you factor in the fact that you need fewer applications, it appears to move into the lead. But if you then factor in the added storage costs and trucking, it falls behind. But if you then factor in the fact that you don't have to clean it up in the spring, if goes back to the front. Then if you factor in environmental damage, it again is more expensive. But if you figure in the societal savings due to fewer accidents, rustouts, and paint chips, if is gains cheaper. Whether salt is more expensive or cheaper is not really determinable because the outcome came be made to be whatever you want it to be. This study is the same way. Okay, some town hires an additional cop at the cost of $75,000 per year. So WM costs the town money, right. Well, maybe or maybe not. What about the savings that the town residents get on their shopping. If that totals over $75,000 per year, then the residents are still better off. Then answer is determined by how you ask the question and what you choose to include in a your cost/benefit analysis. http://www.epinet.org/workingpapers/wp276.pdf The third study was just plain ridicules. The government cannot fault someone for following the law. If the government, esp. Congress, doesn't like the current minimum wage or labor laws, they should change them -- not fault someone else for following them. Are their lapses, sure. But their always are in any organization of that size, just as their are lapse in the government following the law. As long as they comply with the law, they are okay. If you don't like it, go talk to the lawmakers. So "encouraging" workers to work off the clock is following the law? -Amy |
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OK, how about separated bike lanes?
"William" wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 1, 2:28 pm, William wrote: On Aug 1, 11:12 am, Pat wrote: On Aug 1, 11:54 am, William wrote: On Aug 1, 10:25 am, Pat wrote: On Aug 1, 10:43 am, donquijote1954 wrote: On Aug 1, 4:00 am, Peter Clinch wrote: Yes, there are some idiots who'll sit behind you and honk at you, but they won't run you down, because it might scratch the paintwork. If you push people off into bike lanes as a rule they will be far more maligned and looked down upon on the instances where they have no choice to use the roads, if they're typically in a bike lane instead. They don't help. We know they don't help as we can see them not helping. *HAVE YOU GOT THAT YET?* You still avoiding my question: BIKE LANES OR NO BIKE LANES, HOW DO WE BRING BIKE RIDERSHIP FROM THE AMERICAN OR BRITISH LEVES TO THE DUTCH OR DANISH LEVELS? You see, you are thinking about the problem from the wrong direction. You are saying "biking is great, what is wrong with everyone else". Instead, you need to examine why other people don't bike and address that. Predominantly, I would think it is the combination of "no time to bike & no place to bike to". Most people won't bike to work if they get sweaty or if they work the night shift, etc. Bike lanes might partially address the "no place to bike to" issue, but not really. For example, I need to run out and get my kid some things for football practice. While we're at it we need to do some back-to-school shopping. Okay, that's simple and the kid is in great shape. I just need to run to the nearest sporting goods store. Fortunately, there's a small mall across the street. This trip is a bit unusually because I do 90% of my shopping at the nest Walmart. So ideally, this is bikeable. But the problem is, the nearest sporting goods store is about 45 miles away. That's about 15 miles past the Walmart. So at 10 mph (because of the hills and the purchases), you're talking at 9 hour bike ride. I don't blame you, biking works best when everything is more central and dense like a metro area. So I think your idea has merit, it just needs to be tweeked. The community didn't allow a Walmart because of a DOT right-of-way issue. But maybe if we had more Walmarts, so that they were closer to people, the people could bike to them easier. Plus if they put in SuperCenters with groceries, then more shopping could be done in 1 trip. So I guess bike lanes are part of the problem, but having a place to go is the other part. Therefore, maybe you should lobby for more Walmarts -- and have them tied into bikeways -- to encourage shopping by bike. Have you no sense of quality Pat? I guess that is implied when your from nowhere land. I don't follow your logic. Of course I am from the middle of nowhere. That's great. Clean air. Clean water. Mountains in the background (okay, the Allegany's aren't exactly the Rockies). It is a nice, simple life. What else to I need. This is a great lifestyle. What "quality" am I missing? The Kleenex from Walmart is somehow worst than the Kleenex from the Kleenex Boutique? The $18 Harry Potter book I bought last week has different words in it than $32 version in your corner bookstore? My backyard swimming pool is somehow less wet than your municipal one? My fruit-of-the-loom underwear are somehow less fruity than yours from the mall. Does a Timex keep different time than a Rolex -- it doesn't really matter to me, because I don't wear a watch. You might crave some imported, organic, fresh pasta only made by virgins on the hillsides of Italy. But regular pasta is fine by me. You don't need that stuff to live well. You only need it to fill the hollow spots in your sole. There's nothing wrong with simplicity. I'm not exactly a monk, but this definitely isn't Madison Ave. But that's what makes it nice. On Friday, a friend and I are thinking of throwing a canoe on the Allegany River and going a few miles, just for the heck of it. That's excitement around here. Besides, the Walmarts around here are pretty generous when it comes to youth sports. We'll hit up each of them during fundraising for each of the sports. It's not a lot, but they'll throw in $25 to $50 (each) any time they are asked -- and we ask them quite often. That buys stuff for the concession stand or for a raffle. So what about this "quality" thing? Pat, Walmart is McDonalds department stores. In every way. If you wanna call that quality go right ahead. Just keep that bull **** out of the city. To be more specific, ever notice how a lot of things, not ALL things but a lot, are a heck of a lot crappier at walmart as apposed to the other extreme like William-sanoma or crate and barrel? I'm not saying that every place should be as expensive and *high tech* for a lack of a better word as those places are. But ever notice how theres a lot of poor people at Walmart? I guess you would'nt since thats all you have in nowhere land but here in the cities when people have more options then the lowest and crappiest, we tend to shoot for the happy medium between excessive and contemptible. I'm not sure that it's the best argument against Wal-Mart that it gives the poor a place that they can afford. BTW, hope you're ok. |
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OK, how about separated bike lanes?
On Aug 2, 12:02 am, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
wrote: Pat who? wrote: ...If you don't like it, go talk to the lawmakers. That is not a practical suggestion for those of us who can not afford to attend $1000/plate fund-raising dinners. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful -- Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Weird. Our State Assemblyman and Senator are both VERY accessible. I've met with them often on things. You call, make an appointment and you go see them. If you're in Albany on a trip or whatever, it's easier to get in because they have so few constituents see them there. It takes a bit longer to get into see our Congressman, but he does set up "Town Hall" meetings once-a-year that are well publicized. He stops makes 6 or 7 stops in the county in the day he is there, so you never have to go very far to see him. But few people bother to show up. But he makes the effort. I don't terribly like the guy, but he is accessible and he tries to get out into the district (which is quite large). Our Senators, though, are a bit more distant. Schumer travels the state pretty regularly. I think you it's pretty easy to get to see Hillary, too, as long as you travel to Iowa to do it -- but still under the $1000 ticket threshold. I did pay to go to an event to see Spitzer, but it was only $60 for the conference. He's shorter than he looks. |
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