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Vintage 600 BB Spindle fit Vintage Campy Italian Threaded Cups?
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I have a vintage steel frame with Italian threaded bottom bracket shell that I'd like to put my Shimano 600 Arabesque groupset on. The problem is that my 600 Arabesque bottom bracket is English. Can I use the 600 spindle with the vintage Campy Italian cups I have? Thanks |
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Vintage 600 BB Spindle fit Vintage Campy Italian Threaded Cups?
On 16-3-2012 9:44, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Hi there. I have a vintage steel frame with Italian threaded bottom bracket shell that I'd like to put my Shimano 600 Arabesque groupset on. The problem is that my 600 Arabesque bottom bracket is English. Can I use the 600 spindle with the vintage Campy Italian cups I have? Thanks step1: look at the bearings, do both axles use 11 x 1/4"? (CAmpa did some funnys for the Ti axles) If yes stick it together and measure the width over the cups between flange and lockring. Anywhere the 70mm you need? -- /Marten info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl |
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Vintage 600 BB Spindle fit Vintage Campy Italian Threaded Cups?
On Mar 16, 5:50*am, m-gineering wrote:
On 16-3-2012 9:44, Sir Ridesalot wrote: Hi there. I have a vintage steel frame with Italian threaded bottom bracket shell that I'd like to put my Shimano 600 Arabesque groupset on. The problem is that my 600 Arabesque bottom bracket is English. Can I use the 600 spindle with the vintage Campy Italian cups I have? Thanks step1: look at the bearings, do both axles use 11 x 1/4"? *(CAmpa did some funnys for the Ti axles) If yes stick it together and measure the width over the cups between flange and lockring. *Anywhere the 70mm you need? -- /Marten info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl Thanks Marten. The only reason I thought this might work was because the bearing sizes are the same in the two sets. I'm just goingto pull the crank and spindle from the frame and try this spindle and if it's a go I'll be very happy. Thanks again and cheers |
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Vintage 600 BB Spindle fit Vintage Campy Italian Threaded Cups?
Sir Ridesalot wrote:
I have a vintage steel frame with Italian threaded bottom bracket shell that I'd like to put my Shimano 600 Arabesque groupset on. The problem is that my 600 Arabesque bottom bracket is English. Can I use the 600 spindle with the vintage Campy Italian cups I have? Yes, if they are Nuovo Record 745A & 746A (post-1968) and not Record 745/746. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Vintage 600 BB Spindle fit Vintage Campy Italian Threaded Cups?
Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Hi there. I have a vintage steel frame with Italian threaded bottom bracket shell that I'd like to put my Shimano 600 Arabesque groupset on. The problem is that my 600 Arabesque bottom bracket is English. Can I use the 600 spindle with the vintage Campy Italian cups I have? You may have a spindle width issue of your Shimano spindle is marked '68' rather that the correct '70'. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Vintage 600 BB Spindle fit Vintage Campy Italian Threaded Cups?
On Mar 16, 6:58*am, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Mar 16, 5:50*am, m-gineering wrote: On 16-3-2012 9:44, Sir Ridesalot wrote: Hi there. I have a vintage steel frame with Italian threaded bottom bracket shell that I'd like to put my Shimano 600 Arabesque groupset on. The problem is that my 600 Arabesque bottom bracket is English. Can I use the 600 spindle with the vintage Campy Italian cups I have? Thanks step1: look at the bearings, do both axles use 11 x 1/4"? *(CAmpa did some funnys for the Ti axles) If yes stick it together and measure the width over the cups between flange and lockring. *Anywhere the 70mm you need? -- /Marten info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl Thanks Marten. The only reason I thought this might work was because the bearing sizes are the same in the two sets. I'm just goingto pull the crank and spindle from the frame and try this spindle and if it's a go I'll be very happy. Thanks again and cheers If you still have the spindle for the Campy BB, suggest you do a visual comparison to see if there's any likelihood of a working mis- match. The spindles have different tapers; you might want to read Sheldon Brown's words, which might illuminate your inspection/comparison: http://sheldonbrown.com/bbtaper.html As with many things imponderable, Arabesque parts in excellent shape are worth money on, for instance, ebay (where *they* have to bid, if you're selling). There aren't any (hint hint) Shimano Arabesque bottom brackets either in active auctions, or in the "sold" category (Advanced search, Completed listings). Well, that's one thing that wears out with use, is bottom brackets, eventually; and possibly very much sooner if they are not installed properly (speaking to the point on the cup-and-cone, square-taper variety we have here). Who knows what price a bright/shiny Arabesque BB, English, might fetch, given sharp, close-up photos in an Item Description, and some good Seller Feedback? I bet an Arabesque headset that hasn't seen its top adjusting nut marred, one also without "dented" ball races, would be worth a suitable amount of money, too. You might believe that I am trying to help, here, in raising the suggestion that "old Campy cranks are known to break" (just one for me, so far, and years ago, although it was in the middle of a sprint for the line-- with a safe, slightly wobbly landing which could have been so much worse); that old Arabesque cranks might be expected to be no different, and that, in general, "old stuff", for all its undeniable appeal, might best be "ridden by others" or, better, "displayed by others", while a good & capable scrounger would be able to "turn old into new" or at least, "NOS", or "new, take-off" parts. I finally entered the 21rst Century recently, buying (scounging) (by bidding) and installing a very lightly used Ultegra crank and brand- new BB (also bought at a substantial discount from retail) (by bidding) (all on ebay). One cheap "spanner" tool, only, to buy, needed for installation, and the cups, with bearings, are cheap even at list price. I think they call that "progress". In use? Perhaps not the buttery smoothness of the Campy cartridge BB's I still have on the other bikes, but simple to assemble and not nearly as expensive as those "end of the line" (for square taper BB's), "pre- Outboard" units from Campy. Which bottom brackets, even if they are expensive to buy, are also simple to install, unlike the old cup-and- cone units, and have given excellent, long-term service. Again, just for your reference, only one cheap (and small!) tool needed for installation with the upper-end Campy cartridge BB's, as long as you already have a suitably large (long handle) adjustable open-end wrench or other "driver" available. BTW, I found my 12" Crescent wrench on the side of the road... not bad-mouthing the one I bought new for my professional needs, of course g, but the foundling is so much more satisfying to use. --D-y |
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Vintage 600 BB Spindle fit Vintage Campy Italian Threaded Cups?
On 3/16/2012 3:08 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
wrote: BTW, I found my 12" Crescent wrench on the side of the road... not bad-mouthing the one I bought new for my professional needs, of courseg, but the foundling is so much more satisfying to use. Today's ride scored a nice set of Channel Locks. Not as exciting as the complete set of sockets, ratchet handle and case I once found, but pleasing nonetheless. Best find would have been a pristine Leatherman, about $80+, but I went by it in the rain, and my touring buddy behind me spotted it and grabbed it. The case was within a few yards. I'm still jealous. People always seem to find stuff while biking. I found a nice Crescent wrench (already had 3), too, and a cell phone (called & returned it), but both times I was walking my bike. I don't think I've ever found anything while actually riding on the road, I did find a nice MTB pump in the woods (already had 2). On the other hand, my son has found a couple of watches, my wife *did* spot a nice Leatherman (I now have 3) and another watch (I have more than 3). On the debit side, I lost my gold wedding band while cycling, that would take a lot of wrenches and Leathermen to make up for. On balance, I'm not doing so well in the lost & found department. One might say that I'm not paying attention, but my son & wife have both had a couple of crashes, and I never have, despite many more miles ridden. Guess I'm just paying attention to other things. At least that's what I tell them. |
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Vintage 600 BB Spindle fit Vintage Campy Italian Threaded Cups?
On Mar 16, 9:41*am, AMuzi wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote: Hi there. I have a vintage steel frame with Italian threaded bottom bracket shell that I'd like to put my Shimano 600 Arabesque groupset on. The problem is that my 600 Arabesque bottom bracket is English. Can I use the 600 spindle with the vintage Campy Italian cups I have? You may have a spindle width issue of your Shimano spindle is marked '68' rather that the correct '70'. Yah, the problem is the BB shell width. He'll need an Italiano spindle. He can get one of these, which is not too expensive. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.p...thread-bb.html -- Jay Beattie. |
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