Good kid dies biking on Manhattan Bridge

"Zoot Katz" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:10:29 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
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"Don Wiss" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:39:41 -0500, dgk wrote:

Maybe, but he wasn't inexperienced. If he's riding fixies with
Critical Mass I'd guess he knew his stuff.

Is that a fixie in this picture?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007...killed_-1.html

Don www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

Apparently, there was drinking involved and honking cars. Those combined
with gaps in the lanes and night time made for a deadly combination.

NA$CAR Penis Power killed him.

WTF were those morons honking for if not to threaten, menace and
force the cyclists off the road?
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zk


It's tragic, but they were riding on motorized vehicle only level. I used
to commute over Manhattan bridge bike path all the time, but riding in
traffic over the bridge AT NIGHT would be near suicidal.

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:16:39 -0500, "Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Global
Warming Edition ®" wrote:
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007...killed_-1.html
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Apparently, there was drinking involved and honking cars. Those combined
with gaps in the lanes and night time made for a deadly combination.

NA$CAR Penis Power killed him.

WTF were those morons honking for if not to threaten, menace and
force the cyclists off the road?


It's tragic, but they were riding on motorized vehicle only level. I used
to commute over Manhattan bridge bike path all the time, but riding in
traffic over the bridge AT NIGHT would be near suicidal.

According to the cited article the bike path was obstructed by
construction.

I would expect that an alternate route would be provided by an
adequately marked detour. I think he made a poor decision but I'm not
familiar with the circumstances.

I can appreciate that motor vehicle operators were not expecting to
see bicycles on the road.

However, that doesn't excuse their behaviour when they did encounter
the bicyclists. Their automobile uberalis attitude has replaced civil
society and contributed to this untimely death.
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zk

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:57:34 -0800, Zoot Katz
wrote:

I can appreciate that motor vehicle operators were not expecting to
see bicycles on the road.

However, that doesn't excuse their behaviour when they did encounter
the bicyclists. Their automobile uberalis attitude has replaced civil
society and contributed to this untimely death.
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Thanks for the indictment Zoot Katz. I drive in the city and can
easily picture myself hitting a cyclist in that situation. Depending
on the distance ahead where the cyclist fell, it could be impossible
to avoid the peson. Unless one drove over the bridge at an extremely
low speed which is both unexpected and possibly illegal on that
bridge.

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007, Zoot Katz wrote:

According to the cited article the bike path was obstructed by
construction.

I would expect that an alternate route would be provided by an
adequately marked detour. I think he made a poor decision but I'm not
familiar with the circumstances.

I haven't been over to that bridge in a while. But last time I was, because
of the construction, the bicyclists were instructed to use the path on the
south side instead of the usual north side.

I'm still wondering where the friend that arrived by bus got his bike. I
guess he brought it on the bus?

Don www.donwiss.com/joyrides (e-mail link at page bottom).

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:09:05 -0500, Don Wiss
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:39:41 -0500, dgk wrote:

Maybe, but he wasn't inexperienced. If he's riding fixies with
Critical Mass I'd guess he knew his stuff.

Is that a fixie in this picture?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007...killed_-1.html

Don www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

I sure can't tell from the picture. But the Newday article had this
paragraph:

Sam Hindy earned a bachelor's degree from Northwestern University,
then worked for the software company Endeca in Cambridge, Mass., where
he took up fixed-gear cycling. Two months ago, he was hired as a
computer engineer for the Internet advertising company DoubleClick in
Manhattan.

I'm no expert on fixies but my understanding is that folks who like
fixies really like them and don't go back. I could, easily, be wrong
about what he was riding that night.

On Nov 19, 9:16 pm, "Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Global Warming Edition (R)"
wrote:
"Zoot Katz" wrote in message

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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:10:29 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
wrote:

"Don Wiss" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:39:41 -0500, dgk wrote:

Maybe, but he wasn't inexperienced. If he's riding fixies with
Critical Mass I'd guess he knew his stuff.

Is that a fixie in this picture?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007...on_of_brooklyn...

Don www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

Apparently, there was drinking involved and honking cars. Those combined
with gaps in the lanes and night time made for a deadly combination.

NA$CAR Penis Power killed him.

WTF were those morons honking for if not to threaten, menace and
force the cyclists off the road?
--
zk

It's tragic, but they were riding on motorized vehicle only level. I used
to commute over Manhattan bridge bike path all the time, but riding in
traffic over the bridge AT NIGHT would be near suicidal.


No it's not. I've done highways many times when I am forced to, at
night, in the city and out in Jersey, and actually very few people
honk -- but the point is, you ignore them.

What cyclists need is a lot more nerve! The problem with the
mainstreaming of cycling (a propos the "please stop all bike paths"
thread) is that we get a lot of casual riders who freak out at the
slightest bother. The ultimate problem is, I SAY AGAIN, that there's
this mentality that motorists have a right to be on the road. They do
not. They are licensed to drive, and that means taking proper
precautions and SHUTTING THE **** UP WITH THE ****ING HORNS over every
little speed bump and inconvenience.

You people are all missing the whole point of bicycles vis-a-vis cars.

On Nov 19, 7:55 pm, Zoot Katz wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:10:29 -0500, "Roger Zoul"



wrote:

"Don Wiss" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:39:41 -0500, dgk wrote:

Maybe, but he wasn't inexperienced. If he's riding fixies with
Critical Mass I'd guess he knew his stuff.

Is that a fixie in this picture?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007...on_of_brooklyn...

Don www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

Apparently, there was drinking involved and honking cars. Those combined
with gaps in the lanes and night time made for a deadly combination.

NA$CAR Penis Power killed him.

WTF were those morons honking for if not to threaten, menace and
force the cyclists off the road?
--
zk

probably as a warning. duh

On Nov 19, 11:11 am, Prisoner at War
wrote:
On Nov 19, 8:37 am, dgk wrote:

He sounds special and it's too bad that we won't get to hear from him
in the future. The only time I rode over the Manhattan bridge was with
a 5-Boro Bike Club ride where we rode over the East River bridges at
night, so I'm not sure what happened, but you shouldn't be able to
fall onto the lower roadway from the upper roadway.

http://www.newsday.com/news/printedi...lihind19546776...

No comment from the helmet lobby, I see.

You know, you really shouldn't be bicycling drunk, either...how the
**** he fell off the bridge, I just can't imagine. "He tried to turn
around and hit a concrete barrier"?!?!

Really, folks: if you ever ride on the highway, ignore the honking
cars. I've ridden on highways and their bridge equivalents (that is,
off the pedestrian path when construction necessitates it, like in Sam
Hindy's case here), even in complete darkness (lights off on the bride
for some reason) and have never had a problem. Sure you get some
people who honk and sped past you very closely in a deliberate way,
but that's still pretty rare. Just ignore the assholes.

NEVER GIVE UP YOUR GROUND AS A BICYCLIST. THE ****ING ROAD BELONGS TO
YOU. THEY NEED A DRIVER'S LICENSE FOR A REASON: DRIVING IS A
PRIVILEGE, NOT A RIGHT. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO TRULY BELONGS ON THE
ROAD. A BICYCLIST IS NOTHING MORE THAN A PEDESTRIAN ON A SADDLE. THE
EARTH AND ITS PATHS BELONG TO US. DON'T LET THEM HONK YOU OFF THE
ROAD FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER!

And really, stop drinking. Only morons drink **** water. Want a
buzz? Get a vibrator.

If we take you logic to the next obvious level, then bicyclists should
stay of the road because it should only be used by pedestrians. If it
weren't for motor vehicles our bicycles would still be in the
factories.

On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:19:56 -0500, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:57:34 -0800, Zoot Katz
wrote:

I can appreciate that motor vehicle operators were not expecting to
see bicycles on the road.

However, that doesn't excuse their behaviour when they did encounter
the bicyclists. Their automobile uberalis attitude has replaced civil
society and contributed to this untimely death.
--
Thanks for the indictment Zoot Katz. I drive in the city and can
easily picture myself hitting a cyclist in that situation. Depending
on the distance ahead where the cyclist fell, it could be impossible
to avoid the peson. Unless one drove over the bridge at an extremely
low speed which is both unexpected and possibly illegal on that
bridge.

I wasn't indicting the driver who hit him when he landed on the lower
level. It is a general condemnation of the mindset drivers acquire
in their cars.

What is it that causes drivers to act to like bullying thugs when
they see bicyclists on the road?

They didn't need to be honking their horns. The cyclists knew the
cars were there. I don't believe the unfortunate results of their
actions were unintended consequences. They wanted the bicyclist out
of their way and off the road.
--
zk

On Nov 20, 1:33 pm, bluezfolk wrote:


If we take you logic to the next obvious level, then bicyclists should
stay of the road because it should only be used by pedestrians.

Nope, because bicyclists and pedestrians are one and the same, the
same class of road-users. The difference is akin to that between a
passenger car and a long-hailer trailer. Big difference, but same
over-arching category.

If it
weren't for motor vehicles our bicycles would still be in the
factories.

You do know that bicycles were invented before automobiles, right?