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  #61  
Old August 2nd 13, 12:43 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bertie Wooster[_2_]
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On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 12:25:03 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:15:04 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:55:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Even if my shopping was entirely strong spirits, no-one has yet
explained how it would be viable for me to collect it using a
bicycle.

Yes they have.

No they haven't, I need to be able to throw it in the boot and get
home within 5 minutes, not half an hour.


Where do you live?

There are few places I can think of where driving a complete trip of
five minutes is six times faster than cycling.

Even a long journey, such as London to Portsmouth, takes me 2 hours by
car and 10 hours by bicycle.

And why the *need* to complete the supermarket run in five minutes?
Surely you could sacrifice some of your time on urc to make a more
pleasurable event of shopping?


acyual jouney is only one part of the slowness of using a bicycle. I get
out of my car and push a button and it is locked, immobilised and alarmed.
Try doing that with any bicycle and trailer.
I come up to the car and press a button, the boot opens and everything can
go in within a few moments, no need to pack it carefully, fix it down, cover
it up, put it in cool bags or any other sodding about.
I get into the car and drive it away easily, no faffing about with
unlocking, gears, potholes etc. etc.

I drive easily and quickly home, the boot take moments to empty and get
freezer stuff away. One press of the button and the car is locked and
secure.

I go indoors and do not need a shower and change of clothes.

Why on earth anyone would sod about with a bicycle to do regular shopping in
an urban area is absolutely beyond me. and as for pedalling up a hill with
a trailer and 25kg of shopping, you would have to be really daft if you have
cars available.


I see. So your reason for not using a bike for your shopping is
nothing to do with the viability of using a bicycle, but sheer
laziness.
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  #63  
Old August 2nd 13, 01:45 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mrcheerful[_3_]
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Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 12:25:03 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:15:04 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:55:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Even if my shopping was entirely strong spirits, no-one has yet
explained how it would be viable for me to collect it using a
bicycle.

Yes they have.

No they haven't, I need to be able to throw it in the boot and get
home within 5 minutes, not half an hour.

Where do you live?

There are few places I can think of where driving a complete trip of
five minutes is six times faster than cycling.

Even a long journey, such as London to Portsmouth, takes me 2 hours
by car and 10 hours by bicycle.

And why the *need* to complete the supermarket run in five minutes?
Surely you could sacrifice some of your time on urc to make a more
pleasurable event of shopping?


acyual jouney is only one part of the slowness of using a bicycle.
I get out of my car and push a button and it is locked, immobilised
and alarmed. Try doing that with any bicycle and trailer.
I come up to the car and press a button, the boot opens and
everything can go in within a few moments, no need to pack it
carefully, fix it down, cover it up, put it in cool bags or any
other sodding about.
I get into the car and drive it away easily, no faffing about with
unlocking, gears, potholes etc. etc.

I drive easily and quickly home, the boot take moments to empty and
get freezer stuff away. One press of the button and the car is
locked and secure.

I go indoors and do not need a shower and change of clothes.

Why on earth anyone would sod about with a bicycle to do regular
shopping in an urban area is absolutely beyond me. and as for
pedalling up a hill with a trailer and 25kg of shopping, you would
have to be really daft if you have cars available.


I see. So your reason for not using a bike for your shopping is
nothing to do with the viability of using a bicycle, but sheer
laziness.


It is not viable, it is too much total effort for too little return.


  #64  
Old August 2nd 13, 02:30 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bertie Wooster[_2_]
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On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 13:45:50 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 12:25:03 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:15:04 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:55:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Even if my shopping was entirely strong spirits, no-one has yet
explained how it would be viable for me to collect it using a
bicycle.

Yes they have.

No they haven't, I need to be able to throw it in the boot and get
home within 5 minutes, not half an hour.

Where do you live?

There are few places I can think of where driving a complete trip of
five minutes is six times faster than cycling.

Even a long journey, such as London to Portsmouth, takes me 2 hours
by car and 10 hours by bicycle.

And why the *need* to complete the supermarket run in five minutes?
Surely you could sacrifice some of your time on urc to make a more
pleasurable event of shopping?

acyual jouney is only one part of the slowness of using a bicycle.
I get out of my car and push a button and it is locked, immobilised
and alarmed. Try doing that with any bicycle and trailer.
I come up to the car and press a button, the boot opens and
everything can go in within a few moments, no need to pack it
carefully, fix it down, cover it up, put it in cool bags or any
other sodding about.
I get into the car and drive it away easily, no faffing about with
unlocking, gears, potholes etc. etc.

I drive easily and quickly home, the boot take moments to empty and
get freezer stuff away. One press of the button and the car is
locked and secure.

I go indoors and do not need a shower and change of clothes.

Why on earth anyone would sod about with a bicycle to do regular
shopping in an urban area is absolutely beyond me. and as for
pedalling up a hill with a trailer and 25kg of shopping, you would
have to be really daft if you have cars available.


I see. So your reason for not using a bike for your shopping is
nothing to do with the viability of using a bicycle, but sheer
laziness.


It is not viable, it is too much total effort for too little return.


That depends on how lazy you are.

Anyway, I have a serious question for you.

I'm in the market for a new car. My current vehicle is a Peugeot 406
HDi which is now 14 years old, and it costs more and more each year to
keep on the road. Several things have stopped working, and I see
little need to fix them. But the car needs to be usurped.

Soon we will be a family of three plus a dog.

I will also use the car to lug large bits of furniture about, beds,
mattresses, tables, etc. (We managed to move from our previous homes
into our new home without the need to hire a van).

I also need to be able to take up to six adults as passengers in the
car when I do the lucrative airport run for guests staying at one of
our holiday apartments. (At the moment I am limited to four
passengers, and when a group of 5 or 6 wants a transfer I only receive
a £10 referral fee from the local taxi firm).

And idea of what car might be suitable for my needs.
  #65  
Old August 2nd 13, 03:01 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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On 02/08/2013 10:34, Roger Merriman wrote:
JNugent wrote:

On 31/07/2013 23:12, Roger Merriman wrote:
JNugent wrote:

On 31/07/2013 14:32, Paul Cummins wrote:
In article , lid (Scion)
wrote:

The law provides a specific right to use a public highway: the
right to
pass and re-pass along the highway (including the pavement), and
the
right to make ordinary and 'reasonable use' of the highway.

By needlessly obstructing faster traffic the cyclist is not making
reasonable use of the road

That's not what "reasonable" means

Please cite the statute or regulation.

As far as I'm aware obstructing is difficult one to prove,


Even if it were, so what?

Would that make it right?


it means that it might be anti social/selfish but not illegal.


You have misinformed yourself.

An illegal act does not become legal on the basis that proving the
illegality is difficult.

If that were the case, and on your logic, sexual intercourse with a
child (which, as are most sexual acts, is quite difficult to prove
beyond reasonable doubt) would be legal as long as done without
witnesses willing to testify.

But it isn't legal.

being held up
maybe tedious, realisticly not illegal unless it went on for a very long
time, which is unlikely on a urban road to put it mildly.


"realisticly not illegal"?

Have you heard yourself?


so make your case that it's legally a obstruction! this topic has comes
up at least every other month.


It is an offence (outside London, under the Town Police Clauses Act
1847, in London, under a similar but distinct Act) to obstruct a highway
without reasonable excuse ("I felt like riding in the middle of the
road" would not be reasonable excuse).

Whether a particular action constitutes an obstruction is a matter for
the court, since it may well turn on the reasonableness of the excuse.
  #68  
Old August 2nd 13, 03:10 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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On 02/08/2013 14:30, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 13:45:50 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 12:25:03 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:15:04 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:55:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Even if my shopping was entirely strong spirits, no-one has yet
explained how it would be viable for me to collect it using a
bicycle.

Yes they have.

No they haven't, I need to be able to throw it in the boot and get
home within 5 minutes, not half an hour.

Where do you live?

There are few places I can think of where driving a complete trip of
five minutes is six times faster than cycling.

Even a long journey, such as London to Portsmouth, takes me 2 hours
by car and 10 hours by bicycle.

And why the *need* to complete the supermarket run in five minutes?
Surely you could sacrifice some of your time on urc to make a more
pleasurable event of shopping?

acyual jouney is only one part of the slowness of using a bicycle.
I get out of my car and push a button and it is locked, immobilised
and alarmed. Try doing that with any bicycle and trailer.
I come up to the car and press a button, the boot opens and
everything can go in within a few moments, no need to pack it
carefully, fix it down, cover it up, put it in cool bags or any
other sodding about.
I get into the car and drive it away easily, no faffing about with
unlocking, gears, potholes etc. etc.

I drive easily and quickly home, the boot take moments to empty and
get freezer stuff away. One press of the button and the car is
locked and secure.

I go indoors and do not need a shower and change of clothes.

Why on earth anyone would sod about with a bicycle to do regular
shopping in an urban area is absolutely beyond me. and as for
pedalling up a hill with a trailer and 25kg of shopping, you would
have to be really daft if you have cars available.

I see. So your reason for not using a bike for your shopping is
nothing to do with the viability of using a bicycle, but sheer
laziness.


It is not viable, it is too much total effort for too little return.


That depends on how lazy you are.

Anyway, I have a serious question for you.

I'm in the market for a new car. My current vehicle is a Peugeot 406
HDi which is now 14 years old, and it costs more and more each year to
keep on the road. Several things have stopped working, and I see
little need to fix them. But the car needs to be usurped.

Soon we will be a family of three plus a dog.

I will also use the car to lug large bits of furniture about, beds,
mattresses, tables, etc. (We managed to move from our previous homes
into our new home without the need to hire a van).

I also need to be able to take up to six adults as passengers in the
car when I do the lucrative airport run for guests staying at one of
our holiday apartments. (At the moment I am limited to four
passengers, and when a group of 5 or 6 wants a transfer I only receive
a £10 referral fee from the local taxi firm).

And idea of what car might be suitable for my needs.


A secondhand Ford Galaxy or similar "people-carrier".

And hire a van when you need to move larger items than the car can handle.


  #70  
Old August 2nd 13, 03:20 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mrcheerful[_3_]
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Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 13:45:50 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 12:25:03 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:15:04 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:55:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Even if my shopping was entirely strong spirits, no-one has yet
explained how it would be viable for me to collect it using a
bicycle.

Yes they have.

No they haven't, I need to be able to throw it in the boot and
get home within 5 minutes, not half an hour.

Where do you live?

There are few places I can think of where driving a complete trip
of five minutes is six times faster than cycling.

Even a long journey, such as London to Portsmouth, takes me 2
hours by car and 10 hours by bicycle.

And why the *need* to complete the supermarket run in five
minutes? Surely you could sacrifice some of your time on urc to
make a more pleasurable event of shopping?

acyual jouney is only one part of the slowness of using a bicycle.
I get out of my car and push a button and it is locked, immobilised
and alarmed. Try doing that with any bicycle and trailer.
I come up to the car and press a button, the boot opens and
everything can go in within a few moments, no need to pack it
carefully, fix it down, cover it up, put it in cool bags or any
other sodding about.
I get into the car and drive it away easily, no faffing about with
unlocking, gears, potholes etc. etc.

I drive easily and quickly home, the boot take moments to empty and
get freezer stuff away. One press of the button and the car is
locked and secure.

I go indoors and do not need a shower and change of clothes.

Why on earth anyone would sod about with a bicycle to do regular
shopping in an urban area is absolutely beyond me. and as for
pedalling up a hill with a trailer and 25kg of shopping, you would
have to be really daft if you have cars available.

I see. So your reason for not using a bike for your shopping is
nothing to do with the viability of using a bicycle, but sheer
laziness.


It is not viable, it is too much total effort for too little return.


That depends on how lazy you are.

Anyway, I have a serious question for you.

I'm in the market for a new car. My current vehicle is a Peugeot 406
HDi which is now 14 years old, and it costs more and more each year to
keep on the road. Several things have stopped working, and I see
little need to fix them. But the car needs to be usurped.

Soon we will be a family of three plus a dog.

I will also use the car to lug large bits of furniture about, beds,
mattresses, tables, etc. (We managed to move from our previous homes
into our new home without the need to hire a van).

I also need to be able to take up to six adults as passengers in the
car when I do the lucrative airport run for guests staying at one of
our holiday apartments. (At the moment I am limited to four
passengers, and when a group of 5 or 6 wants a transfer I only receive
a £10 referral fee from the local taxi firm).

And idea of what car might be suitable for my needs.


Toyota verso 7 seat would be a good safe choice, or a VW touran, or you can
get a prius seven seater which would up your green credentials but cost a
wedge more in the first place.


 




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