cyclist holding up traffic

Bertie Wooster put finger to keyboard:

On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 13:45:50 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 12:25:03 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:15:04 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:55:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Even if my shopping was entirely strong spirits, no-one has yet
explained how it would be viable for me to collect it using a
bicycle.

Yes they have.

No they haven't, I need to be able to throw it in the boot and get
home within 5 minutes, not half an hour.

Where do you live?

There are few places I can think of where driving a complete trip of
five minutes is six times faster than cycling.

Even a long journey, such as London to Portsmouth, takes me 2 hours
by car and 10 hours by bicycle.

And why the *need* to complete the supermarket run in five minutes?
Surely you could sacrifice some of your time on urc to make a more
pleasurable event of shopping?

acyual jouney is only one part of the slowness of using a bicycle. I
get out of my car and push a button and it is locked, immobilised and
alarmed. Try doing that with any bicycle and trailer.
I come up to the car and press a button, the boot opens and
everything can go in within a few moments, no need to pack it
carefully, fix it down, cover it up, put it in cool bags or any other
sodding about.
I get into the car and drive it away easily, no faffing about with
unlocking, gears, potholes etc. etc.

I drive easily and quickly home, the boot take moments to empty and
get freezer stuff away. One press of the button and the car is
locked and secure.

I go indoors and do not need a shower and change of clothes.

Why on earth anyone would sod about with a bicycle to do regular
shopping in an urban area is absolutely beyond me. and as for
pedalling up a hill with a trailer and 25kg of shopping, you would
have to be really daft if you have cars available.

I see. So your reason for not using a bike for your shopping is
nothing to do with the viability of using a bicycle, but sheer
laziness.

It is not viable, it is too much total effort for too little return.

That depends on how lazy you are.

Anyway, I have a serious question for you.

I'm in the market for a new car. My current vehicle is a Peugeot 406 HDi
which is now 14 years old, and it costs more and more each year to keep
on the road. Several things have stopped working, and I see little need
to fix them. But the car needs to be usurped.

Soon we will be a family of three plus a dog.

I will also use the car to lug large bits of furniture about, beds,
mattresses, tables, etc. (We managed to move from our previous homes
into our new home without the need to hire a van).

I also need to be able to take up to six adults as passengers in the car
when I do the lucrative airport run for guests staying at one of our
holiday apartments. (At the moment I am limited to four passengers, and
when a group of 5 or 6 wants a transfer I only receive a £10 referral
fee from the local taxi firm).

And idea of what car might be suitable for my needs.

Volvo estate (or similar) with jump seats in the rear?

On 02/08/2013 15:08, Paul Cummins wrote:

(JNugent) wrote:

The usual charge for the behaviour you describe is "Driving without
due consideration for other road users".

Which only applies to Motor vehicles.... not cyclists.

What is your point?

On 02/08/2013 15:19, Paul Cummins wrote:
In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

It is an offence (outside London, under the Town Police Clauses Act
1847, in London, under a similar but distinct Act) to obstruct a
highway without reasonable excuse ("I felt like riding in the
middle of the road" would not be reasonable excuse).

But "I was lawfully passing and repassing the public highway" is
reasonable excuse in law.

In what sense do you use the word "lawfully"?

In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

In what sense do you use the word "lawfully"?

In the sense that a person is permitted by common law to pass and repass
the highway.

--
Paul Cummins - Always a NetHead
Wasting Bandwidth since 1981

---- If it's below this line, I didn't write it ----

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 14:30:41 +0100
Bertie Wooster wrote:

And idea of what car might be suitable for my needs.

Land Rover Discovery - comfortably seats 7 adults, apparently. :-)

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 15:10:22 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 02/08/2013 14:30, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 13:45:50 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 12:25:03 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:15:04 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2013 17:55:18 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Even if my shopping was entirely strong spirits, no-one has yet
explained how it would be viable for me to collect it using a
bicycle.

Yes they have.

No they haven't, I need to be able to throw it in the boot and get
home within 5 minutes, not half an hour.

Where do you live?

There are few places I can think of where driving a complete trip of
five minutes is six times faster than cycling.

Even a long journey, such as London to Portsmouth, takes me 2 hours
by car and 10 hours by bicycle.

And why the *need* to complete the supermarket run in five minutes?
Surely you could sacrifice some of your time on urc to make a more
pleasurable event of shopping?

acyual jouney is only one part of the slowness of using a bicycle.
I get out of my car and push a button and it is locked, immobilised
and alarmed. Try doing that with any bicycle and trailer.
I come up to the car and press a button, the boot opens and
everything can go in within a few moments, no need to pack it
carefully, fix it down, cover it up, put it in cool bags or any
other sodding about.
I get into the car and drive it away easily, no faffing about with
unlocking, gears, potholes etc. etc.

I drive easily and quickly home, the boot take moments to empty and
get freezer stuff away. One press of the button and the car is
locked and secure.

I go indoors and do not need a shower and change of clothes.

Why on earth anyone would sod about with a bicycle to do regular
shopping in an urban area is absolutely beyond me. and as for
pedalling up a hill with a trailer and 25kg of shopping, you would
have to be really daft if you have cars available.

I see. So your reason for not using a bike for your shopping is
nothing to do with the viability of using a bicycle, but sheer
laziness.

It is not viable, it is too much total effort for too little return.

That depends on how lazy you are.

Anyway, I have a serious question for you.

I'm in the market for a new car. My current vehicle is a Peugeot 406
HDi which is now 14 years old, and it costs more and more each year to
keep on the road. Several things have stopped working, and I see
little need to fix them. But the car needs to be usurped.

Soon we will be a family of three plus a dog.

I will also use the car to lug large bits of furniture about, beds,
mattresses, tables, etc. (We managed to move from our previous homes
into our new home without the need to hire a van).

I also need to be able to take up to six adults as passengers in the
car when I do the lucrative airport run for guests staying at one of
our holiday apartments. (At the moment I am limited to four
passengers, and when a group of 5 or 6 wants a transfer I only receive
a £10 referral fee from the local taxi firm).

And idea of what car might be suitable for my needs.

A secondhand Ford Galaxy or similar "people-carrier".

That is exactly the beast I have been thinking about. They will be
going out of production in 2014 so I hope there will be some bargains
around.

And hire a van when you need to move larger items than the car can handle.

I have never yet needed a van. The roof has provided ample space for
items too large for the 406's boot, such as the two deep kingsize
mattresses brought moved from our two flats.

On 02/08/2013 16:00, Paul Cummins wrote:

In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

In what sense do you use the word "lawfully"?

In the sense that a person is permitted by common law to pass and repass
the highway.

It is possible to do something which is in principle. lawful, but in an
unlawful manner.

Thus, to say that it is reasonable excuse for obstruction that one is
lawfully passing or repassing begs the question.

Paul Cummins wrote:
In article ,
(JNugent) wrote:

The usual charge for the behaviour you describe is "Driving without
due consideration for other road users".

Which only applies to Motor vehicles.... not cyclists.

however, they could be charged with 'careless or inconsiderate cycling'

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 14:30:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

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I also need to be able to take up to six adults as passengers in the
car when I do the lucrative airport run for guests staying at one of
our holiday apartments.


No doubt you will claim that that is covered by your fridge freezer insurance.

On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 14:30:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

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And idea of what car might be suitable for my needs.



Have you considered three tandems with trailers?