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Small Time Terrorists destroy Parisian Utopian Bike Program
On Nov 3, 4:27*am, ComandanteBanana wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:21*pm, Andre Jute wrote: On Nov 3, 2:07*am, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per ComandanteBanana: "They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/wo...html?_r=2&page... I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin. -- PeteCresswell I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's distorted worldview. I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE. I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer. But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and destroy things. We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week. I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean, He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the man with the actor's roles. but I like peace and safety in the jungle. I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes. This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of misery. Andre Jute Oldfashioned liberal |
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:27:24 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
wrote: On Nov 3, 4:27*am, ComandanteBanana wrote: On Nov 2, 9:21*pm, Andre Jute wrote: On Nov 3, 2:07*am, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per ComandanteBanana: "They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/wo...html?_r=2&page... I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin. -- PeteCresswell I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's distorted worldview. I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE. I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer. But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and destroy things. We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week. I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean, He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the man with the actor's roles. but I like peace and safety in the jungle. I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes. This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of misery. Andre Jute Oldfashioned liberal I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable. It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent. Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all. Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war. Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here. |
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On Nov 4, 3:54*pm, dgk wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:27:24 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute wrote: On Nov 3, 4:27*am, ComandanteBanana wrote: On Nov 2, 9:21*pm, Andre Jute wrote: On Nov 3, 2:07*am, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per ComandanteBanana: "They are often being vandalized in a socially divided Paris by resentful, angry or anarchic youth, the police and sociologists say." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/wo...html?_r=2&page... I'm not the least bit religious, but I've got say that the sages had a pretty good working hypothesis with Original Sin. -- PeteCresswell I wondered how a bunch of pimply teenage vandals were suddenly elevated to the doubtful dignity of "terrorists" even in Banana's distorted worldview. I classify rebels in two classes: WITHOUT A CAUSE (as glorified by Hollywood) and WITH A CAUSE. I'm not a fan of either. I'm a reformer. But I don't like neither one when they seem to hate society and destroy things. We're still in agreement. I've never met a revo who knew what he would put in place of whatever he was hot to destroy that week. I'm sure you are a fan of James Dean, He was a fine actor, but unlike idiots like you, I don't confuse the man with the actor's roles. but I like peace and safety in the jungle. I'm a counter-revolutionary in that I think the entire point of government is to extend, cultivate and protect the middle classes. This is wealth distribution by pulling the poor into the mainstream, not the socialist ideal of pulling everyone down to the same level of misery. Andre Jute Oldfashioned liberal I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable. It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent. Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all. Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war. Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What can say, brother, that was a TRIP. The way things will recorded in history if we ever have to write it. And no bicycles and no honest people here either. |
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Small Time Terrorists destroy Parisian Utopian Bike Program
In article ,
dgk wrote: I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable. It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent. Most revolutions end up being tools whereby the strong oppress the weak, usually after getting the weak to do the heavy lifting of revolt. Not infrequently the weak are no better off than they were before. Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all. Nor, ironically enough, can we afford to not have health care financing for all (health care finance being the hurdle here). Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war. Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up, city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our schools on a regular basis. We have become a nation in which stupidity is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy. Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here. Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009. |
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"Tim McNamara" wrote in message ... In article , dgk wrote: [...] Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war. Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain (Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland. He might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain. Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up, city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our schools on a regular basis. We have become a nation in which stupidity is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy. All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No wonder they are so ****ed up! And all schooling is in the hands of liberals too. No wonder that is equally ****ed up! Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here. Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the Glenn Beck show on Fox News to get the facts. Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009. Tim McNamara is a Minnesota Liberal, one of the dumbest species ever to inhabit the planet. Types like him gave us Humphrey, E. McCarthy, Mondale and many other assholes to numerous to mention. Now we are stuck with Obama because of ilk like him. What is needed of course is another Reagan! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Edward Dolan wrote:
"Tim McNamara" wrote in message ... In article , dgk wrote: [...] Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war. Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain (Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland. He might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain. One hell of a lot. If Hitler had his way with Poland he would not have stopped anyway. And no, Mr. Ed, he may *NOT* have been right. Get your facts together or go away. Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up, city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our schools on a regular basis. Reality check. In 1963 I went to an excellent high school in Arlington Heights, Illinois. I loved it because they had advanced and remedial classes. The jocks went to remedial, most went to regular, and I went to all the advanced classes. The motivation was that all the smart girls were in the advanced classes and I did not have to tolerate the really stupid kids who dragged the whole class down. My parents moved to California in 1963 and it was culture shock. They taught in slow motion and about 2 years behind Illinois schools, and only cared about head count and graduating *everyone* out the door. College was the same. That wasn't anything to do with politics directly, just an already overloaded school system (in 1963). We have become a nation in which stupidity is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy. GWB was a prime example of that. All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No wonder they are so ****ed up! And all schooling is in the hands of liberals too. No wonder that is equally ****ed up! Sorry Mr. Ed, the Republicans are worse. Did Bush (either of them) do anything for the schools? Not more than lip service. No child left behind just means that we will dumb down the courses so that Forrest Gump can be an A student. That just ruins it for the smart kids. You are 110% wrong here, Ed. Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here. Possibly a bit of anarchy thrown in too. Wasn't the American revolution supposed to be about having a free country? I would rather see someone farther left than Obama or at least someone with a clue. Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the Glenn Beck show on Fox News to get the facts. WTF do you think *you* are going to accomplish? Glenn Beck? Is he the new Rush Limburger? Another total lying sack of **** we don't need. It does appear that we need a new party free of the good old boys corruption in both parties we have now. Mandatory retirement at 70 should be the rule, not so much because of diminishing ability but to be young enough to keep up with the changes that happen every generation, gradual changes, but they do happen. A law passed by an old man for his generation might not apply to the up and coming generation. Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009. The fascism is already here. I got stopped by two goons on a road on my bicycle because somebody had used their cell phone to say there was a guy on a bicycle with a camera and binoculars. They were DHS and CIA and called a county sheriff to take me and my bike home and out of their turf. Again, I was on a public road with cars zipping by and these clowns told me it was an 'orange' security day. Damn Bush was paranoid about everything. Tim McNamara is a Minnesota Liberal, one of the dumbest species ever to inhabit the planet. Types like him gave us Humphrey, E. McCarthy, Mondale and many other assholes to numerous to mention. Now we are stuck with Obama because of ilk like him. What is needed of course is another Reagan! Ed, Your ignorance is showing. Nixon was one of your kind. President Nancy was a weird 8 years. Bush #1 was bad news and baby weed was really bad if he could single handedly bring down the world economy. What don't you understand? Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota My magnificent brain is tired of your not so magnificent drivel. *PLONK* Bill Baka |
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"Bill Baka" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: "Tim McNamara" wrote in message ... In article , dgk wrote: [...] Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war. Buchanan seems to think WWII was an unnecessary war, that Britain (Churchill) should have let Hitler and Stalin have their way with Poland. He might be right. After all, what business was it of Britain. One hell of a lot. If Hitler had his way with Poland he would not have stopped anyway. And no, Mr. Ed, he may *NOT* have been right. Get your facts together or go away. We can never know if Hitler would have stopped or not. His main interest was in eastern Europe, not western Europe. We do know that he never wanted to attack England. In any event, Churchill is vastly overrated as a leader and most especially as a world strategist. The English were quite right to get rid of him once the war was won. Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. Our taxes went up, city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. The public welfare, not so much. And education has suffered in America for many years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our schools on a regular basis. Reality check. In 1963 I went to an excellent high school in Arlington Heights, Illinois. I loved it because they had advanced and remedial classes. The jocks went to remedial, most went to regular, and I went to all the advanced classes. The motivation was that all the smart girls were in the advanced classes and I did not have to tolerate the really stupid kids who dragged the whole class down. My parents moved to California in 1963 and it was culture shock. They taught in slow motion and about 2 years behind Illinois schools, and only cared about head count and graduating *everyone* out the door. College was the same. That wasn't anything to do with politics directly, just an already overloaded school system (in 1963). It has to do with the liberal belief that everyone should be equal, not just in opportunities, but in outcomes. We have become a nation in which stupidity is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy. GWB was a prime example of that. Bush will go down in history as a heroic president who began the war on Islamic extremism. We shall soon see what kind of mess Obama is going to make of Afghanistan and Pakistan. He is going to bungle Iran too. It is what happens when you elect a man-child to the presidency. All large cities in the US are in the care of Democrats (liberals). No wonder they are so ****ed up! And all schooling is in the hands of liberals too. No wonder that is equally ****ed up! Sorry Mr. Ed, the Republicans are worse. Did Bush (either of them) do anything for the schools? Not more than lip service. No child left behind just means that we will dumb down the courses so that Forrest Gump can be an A student. That just ruins it for the smart kids. You are 110% wrong here, Ed. Education is almost 100% the responsibility of local government (school boards) and of the states. The federal government has almost nothing do with education. But teachers are 100% liberal democrats. They are the ones who determine what the quality of education is going to be. Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here. Possibly a bit of anarchy thrown in too. Wasn't the American revolution supposed to be about having a free country? I would rather see someone farther left than Obama or at least someone with a clue. Obama is a far-left-whacko-screwball (all one word) . Tune in to the Glenn Beck show on Fox News to get the facts. WTF do you think *you* are going to accomplish? Glenn Beck? Is he the new Rush Limburger? Another total lying sack of **** we don't need. It does appear that we need a new party free of the good old boys corruption in both parties we have now. Mandatory retirement at 70 should be the rule, not so much because of diminishing ability but to be young enough to keep up with the changes that happen every generation, gradual changes, but they do happen. A law passed by an old man for his generation might not apply to the up and coming generation. Glenn Beck is way over the head of those who do not take politics seriously. He is better than most college professors of political science that I have ever had an acquaintance with. Limbaugh is also educational, but he laces his commentary with entertainment. Ummm. "Going to?" Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009. The fascism is already here. I got stopped by two goons on a road on my bicycle because somebody had used their cell phone to say there was a guy on a bicycle with a camera and binoculars. They were DHS and CIA and called a county sheriff to take me and my bike home and out of their turf. Again, I was on a public road with cars zipping by and these clowns told me it was an 'orange' security day. Damn Bush was paranoid about everything. It is Obama and liberal Dems who are the control freaks. You have got everything backwards. Tim McNamara is a Minnesota Liberal, one of the dumbest species ever to inhabit the planet. Types like him gave us Humphrey, E. McCarthy, Mondale and many other assholes to numerous to mention. Now we are stuck with Obama because of ilk like him. What is needed of course is another Reagan! Ed, Your ignorance is showing. Nixon was one of your kind. President Nancy was a weird 8 years. Bush #1 was bad news and baby weed was really bad if he could single handedly bring down the world economy. What don't you understand? Nixon was one of my favorite presidents. Reagan and Bush were fine too, most especially when compared to Dems like Carter, Clinton and now Obama. Cheney was the greatest vice president this nation has ever had. He should have a monument erected to celebrate his greatness right next to the Washington Monument. At the least, his likeness should be carved into Mount Rushmore so he can be properly worshipped by the multitudes. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Winning Trifecta! [Was: Small Time Terrorists destroy Parisian UtopianBike Program]
For the first time I can remember, our newsgroups have been honored with
the Super Crank, Flamer, Troll Trifecta! We have Bill Baka commenting on a post from Edward Dolan on a thread started by ComandanteBanana. Can it get any better than this? -- Paul D Oosterhout I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC) |
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Per Tim McNamara:
We have become a nation in which stupidity is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy. I wouldn't sign on to language that extreme, but I think you have hit on a major reason why the USA is on the long downslide: an even-more-than-usually ignorant and non-critical electorate. It's easy to blame politicians, but they're just doing what politicians do: try to get elected and re-elected. It's the electorate's sanctioning of the politicians - of whichever party - that is the root cause. -- PeteCresswell |
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On Nov 4, 6:39*pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
In article , *dgk wrote: I believe the socialist ideal was to make sure that the fruits of labor were divided equitably, not that everyone should be miserable. It may have worked that way in practice, but that was not the intent. Most revolutions end up being tools whereby the strong oppress the weak, usually after getting the weak to do the heavy lifting of revolt. *Not infrequently the weak are no better off than they were before. Like the "American Revolution"? How about the Eastern Europe ones. They worked... to a degree. Not the real thing, of course. One thing I'd like to witness though is the oppresion of the drivers by the cyclists! Here, in the USA, the shining example of capitalism, we have a society where we cannot afford to have healthcare for all. Nor, ironically enough, can we afford to not have health care financing for all (health care finance being the hurdle here). The problem is SOMEONE (ie. the Medical Industry) won't give up their lion's share. What can we about it, put him on a diet? Nor can we keep our parks nice, or our cities clean, or our people educated. We can, however, spend huge amounts of money for two unnecessary wars. There's a great thought isn't it, unnecessary war. Oh, our city maintenance and civic quality of life went in the dumper long before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least here in St. Paul. * It happened during Norm Coleman's stint as mayor. *Our taxes went up, city services went down and corporate welfare boomed. *The public welfare, not so much. *And education has suffered in America for many years, since we put the whacky and the delusional in charge of our schools on a regular basis. *We have become a nation in which stupidity is held up as a virtue and enforced ignorance is seen as good policy. I think the whole thing started with Globalization, ie. if you got money who cares anymore about quality of life! Just move to a Gated Community. Of course, the excesses of the wealthy, led by Greenspan and Rubin, have pretty much pushed our financial system to the limit, which will drain more wealth from the middle class to prop it back up. I don't think Obama will succeed in trying to undue the disaster of the Clinton/Bush years because he's just a centerist democrat. But I sure hope he does, because otherwise we're going to see facism here. Ummm. *"Going to?" *Maybe you were living somewhere else 2001-2009. Well, this is supposed to be our great last hope. After this... WHAT!!!???? |
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