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"I never tested positive."
Ag2r's Francisco Mancebo, one of those ejected: "I consider myself innocent
and I have never tested positive. I'm just going to see how this all evolves now. I'm sick of this world, I am going to hang to my bike up." http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2213 New excuses are needed Francisco. |
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"I never tested positive."
B. Lafferty wrote: I'm sick of this world, I am going to hang to my bike up." Oh dear, should we call a suicide watch? |
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"I never tested positive."
B. Lafferty wrote: Ag2r's Francisco Mancebo, one of those ejected: "I consider myself innocent and I have never tested positive. I'm just going to see how this all evolves now. I'm sick of this world, I am going to hang to my bike up." http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2213 New excuses are needed Francisco. The whole "I never tested positive" concept is interesting, in that it implies that it's not cheating if you don't get caught. While some of us view cheating as cheating, some folks, in fact some cultures, only see cheating as dishonorable if you're not very good at it. For some, it's an integral part of how they approach life in general and sport in particular. In fact, for some it's honorable to be able to cheat undetected. |
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"I never tested positive."
"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
k.net... Ag2r's Francisco Mancebo, one of those ejected: "I consider myself innocent and I have never tested positive. I'm just going to see how this all evolves now. I'm sick of this world, I am going to hang to my bike up." http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2213 New excuses are needed Francisco. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" The presumption of guilt and the corresponding need to prove innocence, however seemingly justifiable given the circumstances, are still wrong. If he has not tested positive and he has not been proven guilty of an offense, he is entitled to be assumed innocent, in my opinion. -S- |
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"I never tested positive."
Scott wrote: The whole "I never tested positive" concept is interesting, in that it implies that it's not cheating if you don't get caught. While some of us view cheating as cheating, some folks, in fact some cultures, only see cheating as dishonorable if you're not very good at it. For some, it's an integral part of how they approach life in general and sport in particular. In fact, for some it's honorable to be able to cheat undetected. Well, we are talking about a sport where riders hang on to support vehicles, take unauthorized feeds, throw elbows and more in sprints, and sell results... naturally it's a sport dominated by Italians and Belgians... |
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"I never tested positive."
Scott a critics :
B. Lafferty wrote: Ag2r's Francisco Mancebo, one of those ejected: "I consider myself innocent and I have never tested positive. I'm just going to see how this all evolves now. I'm sick of this world, I am going to hang to my bike up." http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2213 New excuses are needed Francisco. The whole "I never tested positive" concept is interesting, in that it implies that it's not cheating if you don't get caught. While some of us view cheating as cheating, some folks, in fact some cultures, only see cheating as dishonorable if you're not very good at it. For some, it's an integral part of how they approach life in general and sport in particular. In fact, for some it's honorable to be able to cheat undetected. How does this grab you : a person is guilty when the proper authority proves a set of facts adequate to convince a tribunal that the accused has committed a specified offense. And, conversely, the same person is considered innocent if the proper authority fails in this proof. Apply it to yourself, in your own life, for anything people may have wrongly accused you of. Do you consider yourself innocent ? Or do you prefer "angelic" ? |
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"I never tested positive."
Steve Freides a écrit :
"B. Lafferty" wrote in message k.net... Ag2r's Francisco Mancebo, one of those ejected: "I consider myself innocent and I have never tested positive. I'm just going to see how this all evolves now. I'm sick of this world, I am going to hang to my bike up." http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2213 New excuses are needed Francisco. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" The presumption of guilt and the corresponding need to prove innocence, however seemingly justifiable given the circumstances, are still wrong. If he has not tested positive and he has not been proven guilty of an offense, he is entitled to be assumed innocent, in my opinion. -S- One thing to face : that most times, popular opinion is that charges are enough to determine guilt. The logic being, that a prosecutor wouldn't waste time unless the proof were there. Really. That's how real life works. In court and out. |
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"I never tested positive."
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:18:57 -0400, "Steve Freides"
wrote: What happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" The presumption of guilt and the corresponding need to prove innocence, however seemingly justifiable given the circumstances, are still wrong. If he has not tested positive and he has not been proven guilty of an offense, he is entitled to be assumed innocent, in my opinion. Forget that idea, presume everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) is as guilty as f*ck. It saves a hell of a lot of time, money, effort and debate. There was a time, maybe 10-15 years ago when I thought testing might improve to such a level only the truly clean riders would succeed. How wrong I was. -- |
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"I never tested positive."
"Sandy" wrote in message ... Scott a critics : B. Lafferty wrote: Ag2r's Francisco Mancebo, one of those ejected: "I consider myself innocent and I have never tested positive. I'm just going to see how this all evolves now. I'm sick of this world, I am going to hang to my bike up." http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2213 New excuses are needed Francisco. The whole "I never tested positive" concept is interesting, in that it implies that it's not cheating if you don't get caught. While some of us view cheating as cheating, some folks, in fact some cultures, only see cheating as dishonorable if you're not very good at it. For some, it's an integral part of how they approach life in general and sport in particular. In fact, for some it's honorable to be able to cheat undetected. How does this grab you : a person is guilty when the proper authority proves a set of facts adequate to convince a tribunal that the accused has committed a specified offense. And, conversely, the same person is considered innocent if the proper authority fails in this proof. Apply it to yourself, in your own life, for anything people may have wrongly accused you of. Do you consider yourself innocent ? Or do you prefer "angelic" ? Can't I be both? |
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