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  #171  
Old June 10th 19, 06:07 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_5_]
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On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 1:57:44 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
Tom Kunich writes:

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 8:09:46 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
Tom Kunich writes:

On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 7:05:05 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
AMuzi writes:

On 6/5/2019 9:02 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Frank Krygowski writes:

On 6/4/2019 7:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/3/2019 11:13 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 19:05:23 -0700, sms
wrote:

Oops, hit send to soon....

On 6/3/2019 3:54 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:

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How can this be? Segregated foot paths and pedestrian deaths are
increasing while segregated bicycle paths will make us safer?

Because the two things are not the same. As I am sure that you
understand.

Pedestrian injuries and deaths only occasionally happen on
the sidewalk.
The problem is at intersections, of which they cross a great many.
Jaywalking and vehicle traffic violations play the biggest part.

A properly designed protected bicycle lane will, by
design, have proper
controls at intersections. No right-on-red (or no right
turn at all).
Traffic lights with a phase for cyclists. Bollards and other devices
that discourage vehicle intrusion into the protected
bicycle lane even
at intersections.

Ah, again you enlighten us. Pedestrians get killed at intersections
where they do not obey even rudimentary traffic laws because,
apparently, there aren't any proper controls but bicycles
will be safe
because they do have proper controls.

Tell me, what sort of primitive area do you reside in that doesn't
have pedestrian controls at intersections? I ask as even in this
benighted little country we have them and I find it amazing that they
don't (apparently) exist in the U.S.
--
cheers,

John B.



You don't have pedestrian controls.
THIS is pedestrian control:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8279531.html

That's scary.

Today my wife and I walked to the post office, then the pharmacy, then
library and returned home. We could have been ticketed for jaywalking
twice.

The first was the one that made my wife nervous, across 60 feet of
pavement between blocks. But we knew that if we walked to the only
marked crosswalk on our route, the pedestrian button would not
work. It hasn't worked for about a year. And it involves walking past
the pharmacy, then doubling back on the other side of the street. And
the multi-direction traffic and separate light phases make that marked
crosswalk more hazardous than what we did, which was wait until there
were no cars at all within a block either direction. It took a little
patience, but it wasn't bad.

Jaywalking is frequently rational when many drivers do not properly
yield to pedestrians, eg turning right or left. Crossing mid block can
give a much simpler traffic situation to deal with. Even stray cats
can eventually figure this out.

Coming out of the library, which is about 50 feet from a T
intersection, there's a sign saying "No Pedestrian Crossing - Cross at
intersection." But it doesn't mean that intersection 50 feet away,
because there's an identical sign there! It means the intersection
with a traffic light a block further away. Again, we waited just a few
seconds, then were lucky enough to then have absolutely no passing
cars - a rarity.

And I think that's the reason lots of people jaywalk. The system has
been set up so peds are expected to wait long times at crossing places
that are quite a way from their intended destination. I'd rather ride
a bike, where I'm a legitimate part of traffic.

The invention of jaywalking was a fine bit of rhetorical judo. Before
jay walking, when motor vehicles were a new idea, we had "jay driving",
which meant driving without regard for the rules of the road, perhaps on
the wrong side. "Jay" meant a rube or a hick, someone incapable of town
manners.

Eventually motor car advocacy groups managed to turn the idea around --
those walking across the road wherever it seemed convenient were hounded
as "jaywalkers". In the modern era, when any white man might aspire to
own a motor car, pedestrians would cross only where permitted by law.

More at https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 . The book
mentioned, _Why We Drive the Way We Do_, Tom Vanderbilt, is worth
reading.

" In the modern era, when any white man might aspire to
own a motor car..."

What the hell does that mean? I've known a lot of people in various
shades, only a couple of dark hue & no car, among them my best friend,
now passed, who had episodic epilepsy and couldn't be licensed. I had
a pink skinned girl working for me with no license for the same reason
so maybe not any real pattern there. You might want to rephrase that.

http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfr...st/beautqu.jpg

I meant that motor cars were originally for the moneyed classes, but
eventually aspirations of car ownership moved down the social scale.
But only gradually. When jaywalking laws were first introduced, one of
their purposes was to keep those dark people in their place. Some say
that's still true in the USA today.


--

You couldn't be more full of **** - firstly, Henry Ford increased his
assembly line worker's pay and reduced the price of a Model T so that
anyone could own a car and virtually overnight everyone owned a car.

That's my point, sorry it's so hard to grasp. Jaywalking laws would not
have been possible if only millionaires could afford automobiles. When
ordinary people began to see that they could also afford one, things changed.

Jaywalking laws were introduced for the plain reason that the Model T
had drum brakes that were very poor acting and you had to know where
you might have pedestrians crossing.

Or you might have to slow down, just in case. That was expected in the
early days, but drivers got tired of that.

This group is absolutely the last place we need any more of the
Democrat racism running wild with fake news.

Wait, you think there wasn't real racism back when John B. Slocomb was
the merest twinkle in his daddy's eye?


Andrew pointed out that a Model T has "band brakes" but that is
nothing more than another form of drum brake. I also remember having
to replace the bands on emergency brakes when most cars had EB's on
the rear side of the transmission.


Band brakes are inside-out compared to drum brakes. They're more
similar to each other than either is to a disk brake, but they're not
the same.


Whether the friction surface is on the inside or the outside it is nonetheless a brake drum.
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Old June 19th 19, 03:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 6/8/2019 8:43 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
Probably depends in part on where you live- is it a "bike friendly"
place? I see a lot of folks in their 20s-30s riding around here,
although more in their 40s-60s. I started riding in ~1964 when I was
five...

For about a decade we had "Nice Ride" rental bikes all over the Twin
Cities. Saw a lot of people riding them. About 4 years ago another
company- Lime, I think- came in with freestanding bikes, no docking
stations like the "Nice Rides." Pick 'em up wherever you see one, drop
it off wherever. Now I see just about zero of those, the "Nice Rides"
are still around but hardly anyone uses them- now they use electric
scooters. Lots and lots of electric scooters.


Bike share systems have been falling out of favor. Too bad. I was just
in Europe. In Austria, in Salzburg, there is a docked bike share
company, CityBike, with only a single location. I used the bikes and
they were pretty awful--many had had their quick-release seat clamp
;ever stolen so the seat wasn't adjustable, some had flat tires, on the
one son took the chain fell off after fifty meters. In Vienna I also
used CityBike. Was lucky that someone had just returned one because
every dock but one was empty. But returning, to another location, every
dock was full. Fortunately the app lets you look for a nearby location
and tell you how many bikes are free and how many docks are free. The
bike was terrible. I thought I had a flat tire because there was a bump
with every wheel revolution. I was going to try to borrow a pump then I
realized that they had filled the Schwalbe tires with some kind of a
solid and there was no tire valve.
 




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