The hopelessness of Greenwich Foot Tunnel

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:47:21 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:20:25 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:14:50 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:23:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if they
didn't properly project manage the works.


Spot the knob at 49 seconds getting on his bike, just after the "No Cycling"
notice.

Is that another of your good friends?

I see it is called a "Foot Tunnel" - any idea why?

Do you know if cyclists are actually breaking a by-law by cycling and what the
penalties are? How does one go about reporting them?

You could try dialling 999.


Sorry - I was hoping for a sensible comment.
- I had forgotten how stupid you are.

Odd - there is about ten seconds of footage of "cyclists" in the tunnel - and 2
out of the six in the tunnel are cycling.

Most odd. I counted 17 cyclists, 12 walking with their bikes, 4 riding
them and one scooting.

Is that typical - 33% - or is it usually more?

Yes - it's fairly typical. Cycling rates tend to drop when there are
lots of pedestrians using the tunnel, and rise when there are fewer
pedestrians.

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:47:21 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:20:25 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:14:50 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:23:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if
they didn't properly project manage the works.


Spot the knob at 49 seconds getting on his bike, just after the
"No Cycling" notice.

Is that another of your good friends?

I see it is called a "Foot Tunnel" - any idea why?

Do you know if cyclists are actually breaking a by-law by cycling
and what the penalties are? How does one go about reporting them?

You could try dialling 999.


Sorry - I was hoping for a sensible comment.
- I had forgotten how stupid you are.

Odd - there is about ten seconds of footage of "cyclists" in the
tunnel - and 2 out of the six in the tunnel are cycling.

Most odd. I counted 17 cyclists, 12 walking with their bikes, 4 riding
them and one scooting.

Is that typical - 33% - or is it usually more?

Yes - it's fairly typical. Cycling rates tend to drop when there are
lots of pedestrians using the tunnel, and rise when there are fewer
pedestrians.

5 out of 17 breaking the law is still very near a third of the cyclists.

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:43:24 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:47:21 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:20:25 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:14:50 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:23:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if
they didn't properly project manage the works.


Spot the knob at 49 seconds getting on his bike, just after the
"No Cycling" notice.

Is that another of your good friends?

I see it is called a "Foot Tunnel" - any idea why?

Do you know if cyclists are actually breaking a by-law by cycling
and what the penalties are? How does one go about reporting them?

You could try dialling 999.


Sorry - I was hoping for a sensible comment.
- I had forgotten how stupid you are.

Odd - there is about ten seconds of footage of "cyclists" in the
tunnel - and 2 out of the six in the tunnel are cycling.

Most odd. I counted 17 cyclists, 12 walking with their bikes, 4 riding
them and one scooting.

Is that typical - 33% - or is it usually more?

Yes - it's fairly typical. Cycling rates tend to drop when there are
lots of pedestrians using the tunnel, and rise when there are fewer
pedestrians.

5 out of 17 breaking the law is still very near a third of the cyclists.

Yes.

On 22/10/2012 09:23, Bertie Wooster wrote:
And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if they
didn't properly project manage the works.


Typical whinging cyclists.



--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

On 22/10/2012 16:43, Mrcheerful wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:47:21 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:20:25 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:14:50 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:23:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if
they didn't properly project manage the works.


Spot the knob at 49 seconds getting on his bike, just after the
"No Cycling" notice.

Is that another of your good friends?

I see it is called a "Foot Tunnel" - any idea why?

Do you know if cyclists are actually breaking a by-law by cycling
and what the penalties are? How does one go about reporting them?

You could try dialling 999.


Sorry - I was hoping for a sensible comment.
- I had forgotten how stupid you are.

Odd - there is about ten seconds of footage of "cyclists" in the
tunnel - and 2 out of the six in the tunnel are cycling.

Most odd. I counted 17 cyclists, 12 walking with their bikes, 4 riding
them and one scooting.

Is that typical - 33% - or is it usually more?

Yes - it's fairly typical. Cycling rates tend to drop when there are
lots of pedestrians using the tunnel, and rise when there are fewer
pedestrians.

5 out of 17 breaking the law is still very near a third of the cyclists.


Much lower rate of law breaking than on the roads then?

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:29:59 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 22/10/2012 16:43, Mrcheerful wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:47:21 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:20:25 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:14:50 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:23:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if
they didn't properly project manage the works.


Spot the knob at 49 seconds getting on his bike, just after the
"No Cycling" notice.

Is that another of your good friends?

I see it is called a "Foot Tunnel" - any idea why?

Do you know if cyclists are actually breaking a by-law by cycling
and what the penalties are? How does one go about reporting them?

You could try dialling 999.


Sorry - I was hoping for a sensible comment.
- I had forgotten how stupid you are.

Odd - there is about ten seconds of footage of "cyclists" in the
tunnel - and 2 out of the six in the tunnel are cycling.

Most odd. I counted 17 cyclists, 12 walking with their bikes, 4 riding
them and one scooting.

Is that typical - 33% - or is it usually more?

Yes - it's fairly typical. Cycling rates tend to drop when there are
lots of pedestrians using the tunnel, and rise when there are fewer
pedestrians.

5 out of 17 breaking the law is still very near a third of the cyclists.


Much lower rate of law breaking than on the roads then?

Yes. My observations are that 66 - 75% of motorists ignore red traffic
signals, and according to the SafeSpeed website, 57% of drivers ignore
the 70mph limits and 58% of drivers ignore the 30mph limits.

On 22/10/2012 18:55, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:29:59 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 22/10/2012 16:43, Mrcheerful wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:47:21 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:20:25 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:14:50 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:23:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if
they didn't properly project manage the works.


Spot the knob at 49 seconds getting on his bike, just after the
"No Cycling" notice.

Is that another of your good friends?

I see it is called a "Foot Tunnel" - any idea why?

Do you know if cyclists are actually breaking a by-law by cycling
and what the penalties are? How does one go about reporting them?

You could try dialling 999.


Sorry - I was hoping for a sensible comment.
- I had forgotten how stupid you are.

Odd - there is about ten seconds of footage of "cyclists" in the
tunnel - and 2 out of the six in the tunnel are cycling.

Most odd. I counted 17 cyclists, 12 walking with their bikes, 4 riding
them and one scooting.

Is that typical - 33% - or is it usually more?

Yes - it's fairly typical. Cycling rates tend to drop when there are
lots of pedestrians using the tunnel, and rise when there are fewer
pedestrians.

5 out of 17 breaking the law is still very near a third of the cyclists.


Much lower rate of law breaking than on the roads then?

Yes. My observations are that 66 - 75% of motorists ignore red traffic
signals, and according to the SafeSpeed website, 57% of drivers ignore
the 70mph limits and 58% of drivers ignore the 30mph limits.

What a shame all those traffic light & speed cameras don't agree with you.

The 6,000 + speed cameras only caught 5% of the motoring public.

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton, of Lancaster
University, wrote in an interim assessment of the Understanding Walking
and Cycling study. "For them, cycling is a bit embarrassing, they fail
to see its purpose, and have no interest in integrating it into their
lives, certainly on a regular basis."

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:31:59 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

There is a bye law specifically prohibiting the riding of bicycles through
the greenwich foot tunnel.
The relevant acts are dated 1855, 1897 and 1903 and called :
The Thames tunnel (greenwich to Millwall) Act 1897 and the Metropolis
Management act 1855. One or both of these were updated in 1903.

Section 3 States: No person shall ride a bicycle, tricycle or other vehicle
in the tunnel.

Above taken from 'The Metropolitan Traffic Manual' by Carrol Romer

There are also similar laws about cycling or even driving on Footpaths
(as opposed to footways, pavements etc) but nobody enforces the laws
and even if you take a complaint to the police it will not result in
action against anyone. LA are as guilty as most where I live as they
have even built car parks on Footpaths:-)

pete

Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:
On 22/10/2012 18:55, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:29:59 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 22/10/2012 16:43, Mrcheerful wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:47:21 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:20:25 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:14:50 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:23:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if
they didn't properly project manage the works.


Spot the knob at 49 seconds getting on his bike, just after the
"No Cycling" notice.

Is that another of your good friends?

I see it is called a "Foot Tunnel" - any idea why?

Do you know if cyclists are actually breaking a by-law by cycling
and what the penalties are? How does one go about reporting them?

You could try dialling 999.


Sorry - I was hoping for a sensible comment.
- I had forgotten how stupid you are.

Odd - there is about ten seconds of footage of "cyclists" in the
tunnel - and 2 out of the six in the tunnel are cycling.

Most odd. I counted 17 cyclists, 12 walking with their bikes, 4 riding
them and one scooting.

Is that typical - 33% - or is it usually more?

Yes - it's fairly typical. Cycling rates tend to drop when there are
lots of pedestrians using the tunnel, and rise when there are fewer
pedestrians.

5 out of 17 breaking the law is still very near a third of the cyclists.


Much lower rate of law breaking than on the roads then?

Yes. My observations are that 66 - 75% of motorists ignore red traffic
signals, and according to the SafeSpeed website, 57% of drivers ignore
the 70mph limits and 58% of drivers ignore the 30mph limits.

What a shame all those traffic light & speed cameras don't agree with you.

The 6,000 + speed cameras only caught 5% of the motoring public.



But that fails to account for the nearly 100% who know where the cameras
are.

"Bertie Wooster" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 18:29:59 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 22/10/2012 16:43, Mrcheerful wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:47:21 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:20:25 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:14:50 +0100, Judith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 09:23:41 +0100, Bertie Wooster
wrote:

And my good friend Anthony Austin is interviewed...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20017827

Greenwich Cyclists warned Greenwich Council this would happen if
they didn't properly project manage the works.


Spot the knob at 49 seconds getting on his bike, just after the
"No Cycling" notice.

Is that another of your good friends?

I see it is called a "Foot Tunnel" - any idea why?

Do you know if cyclists are actually breaking a by-law by cycling
and what the penalties are? How does one go about reporting them?

You could try dialling 999.


Sorry - I was hoping for a sensible comment.
- I had forgotten how stupid you are.

Odd - there is about ten seconds of footage of "cyclists" in the
tunnel - and 2 out of the six in the tunnel are cycling.

Most odd. I counted 17 cyclists, 12 walking with their bikes, 4 riding
them and one scooting.

Is that typical - 33% - or is it usually more?

Yes - it's fairly typical. Cycling rates tend to drop when there are
lots of pedestrians using the tunnel, and rise when there are fewer
pedestrians.

5 out of 17 breaking the law is still very near a third of the cyclists.


Much lower rate of law breaking than on the roads then?

Yes. My observations are that 66 - 75% of motorists ignore red traffic
signals, and according to the SafeSpeed website, 57% of drivers ignore
the 70mph limits and 58% of drivers ignore the 30mph limits.

What, all in the Greenwich foot tunnel? After all, this is what the thread
is all about. Or did you decide to bring in some completely irrelevant info
to provide a smokescreen(as usual)?