Entering the queue at a stop sign

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bigfloppyllama wrote:
Section 3 would make it seem like a car turning left at said
intersection could enter the bicycle lane, but it actually referrs to
right hand turns when the bicycle lane and traffic lane converge. So,
technically I *should* be under no danger running the sign.

So if you run the stop sign, simultaneously with a left-turning car
driver drifting into the bike lane, then, congratulations, you were both
in the wrong.

We could find plenty of other situations where it's clearly safe for one
party to break the rules of the road as long as everyone else is
following them. There's a good reason for this--it means that in many
situations, a crash won't happen unless both parties involved make
simultaneous mistakes. A little redundancy here is a good thing.

--Bruce Fields

If the coffee's really good, there ya go! It's worth it! Especially
if you can get decent growlies to go with it, like cinnamon rolls with
sour cream icing.

The coffee turns out to be OK, but not the Hi-Test exotics I'm used
to. It's weak but palatable. Not Starbucks but not McDonalds either.

The growlies are OK, it's mainly boiled eggs, grapes and brownies.

Of course the new pitch has a microwave, which means hot oatmeal in
the morning. The CVS (local drugstore chain) across the street
has a really good selection of juices, this is a net improvement.

There is decent Chinese food within walking distance.

I won't expand on the other amenities, it's not all that great
to tell you the truth, but it's a nicer environment, I can park
in the shade, now.

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(Roly Poly Man) wrote in message . com...


Most of the time I have seen cyclists fly by all the traffic right
up to the stop sign. Isn't this kind of dangerous? I know it's

I try to ride following the same rules a when I'm
driving. COnsistency simplifies life.


However, I find I'm having problems with exhaust fumes
(especially truck and diesel) so have started to position myself
to avoid having fumes pipe blasting straight into my face (I
should get a hose so that no fumes are lost between the tailpipe
and my lungs). This means slowly / carefully proceeding to
the stop line at a traffic light. If traffic is flowing at a
stop sign, I usually take my position in the line. If it's a
difficult intersection, e.g. a side road and a busy highway,
I'll pull up to the stop line so I'm not sucking fumes for
ten minutes.

Be aware of visibility issues, especially with large trucks.
And those schoolbus side-mirrors are deadly. :-(

(schoolbus drivers are often part-time, and many seem
completely unaware of where the bus is on the road)


On the other hand, I can't see a cyclist entering the queue with
vehicles. At least I don't think I've ever seen this done.

Why not ? Among other advantages, it annoys the ^%$# out of
drivers :-)

Also, what is the proper way to make a left turn at a typical
busy 4-lane or 6-lane boulevard? Do you keep to the right and
make two crossings?

Depends on traffic and your comfort level. I have used
the left-turn lane and done the same turn I'd do in the
mothership, I've ridden across in the curb lane, then
repositioned to wait for the light to change, and I've WALKED
across the pedestrian crossing and then remounted to wait for
the light to change the other way. Some intersections are just
plain ugly, and I have enough gray hair.

Everyone develops their own comfort levels and
practices. These are just practices I've adopted, which may not
conform to the strict letter of the law, and may not suit other
cyclists.

hth