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Old December 21st 06, 07:21 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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I bought an old chromo frame off of ebay a few monhs ago. Its decals
call it a "Frizzante", but I have found nothing on the web that
indicates it is an actual brand. I would like for some of group to help
ID the frame if they can. The serial number is Z85146 and is stamped
into the bottom bracket. The BB is italian threaded and the dropouts
are all Campy. There is no pnatographing to give a hint as to the
manufacture. Please see the following like for pics. Please ignore the
components, they are some I had on hand when I built the frame.Thanks
in advance.

http://www.landworkspa.com/steve/bike.htm

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Old December 21st 06, 08:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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ups.com...
I bought an old chromo frame off of ebay a few monhs ago. Its decals
call it a "Frizzante", but I have found nothing on the web that
indicates it is an actual brand. I would like for some of group to help
ID the frame if they can. The serial number is Z85146 and is stamped
into the bottom bracket. The BB is italian threaded and the dropouts
are all Campy. There is no pnatographing to give a hint as to the
manufacture. Please see the following like for pics. Please ignore the
components, they are some I had on hand when I built the frame.Thanks
in advance.

http://www.landworkspa.com/steve/bike.htm


From the lug work and seat stay caps it looks like it was pretty well
constructed.

Frizzante means "lightly sparkling" as in a slightly bubbly wine. It may
be a nickname someone put on the frame.

Chas.


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Old December 21st 06, 08:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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* * Chas wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
I bought an old chromo frame off of ebay a few monhs ago. Its decals
call it a "Frizzante", but I have found nothing on the web that
indicates it is an actual brand. I would like for some of group to help
ID the frame if they can. The serial number is Z85146 and is stamped
into the bottom bracket. The BB is italian threaded and the dropouts
are all Campy. There is no pnatographing to give a hint as to the
manufacture. Please see the following like for pics. Please ignore the
components, they are some I had on hand when I built the frame.Thanks
in advance.

http://www.landworkspa.com/steve/bike.htm


From the lug work and seat stay caps it looks like it was pretty well
constructed.


indeed! obviously need some love though judging by the way some stoner
threaded the derailleur cable wrong...


Frizzante means "lightly sparkling" as in a slightly bubbly wine. It may
be a nickname someone put on the frame.

Chas.


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Old December 21st 06, 09:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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My guess, a late 1970's or early 80's decent quality Italian bike.
Looks like a repaint and re-decal job to me.
Try here for some possible matches:
http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Italy/Italy.html
Also maybe join the classicrendezvous mail-list there are people who are
good at this type of guess work.
http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/list...ssicrendezvous

Marcus
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Old December 21st 06, 10:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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"Marcus Coles" wrote in message
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My guess, a late 1970's or early 80's decent quality Italian bike.
Looks like a repaint and re-decal job to me.
Try here for some possible matches:
http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Italy/Italy.html
Also maybe join the classicrendezvous mail-list there are people who are
good at this type of guess work.
http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/list...ssicrendezvous

Marcus


Sometimes, the lugs and seatstay caps are the only way to tell the maker.

If it's really well made it may have been built by a frame maker here in
the US.

Italian paint would never last that long! ;-)

Chas.


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Old December 21st 06, 11:32 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Four things say that this is a high-quality frameset :

(a) The reinforcing tangs on the rear brake bridge, found on high
quality frames.

(b) The barrel for brake mounting on the rear bridge, found on high
quality frames.

(c) The cinelli fork crown.

(d) Chainstay brazing treatment.

However, the lack of bottom-bracket cutouts mean this is _not_ an
absolutely top-flite frame. The very very best frames from the 1970's
and 1980's had a cutout on the bottom of the bottom bracket to lighten
up the frameset.

I'll be the frame and fork together weigh 6.5 - 7.0 pounds. The very
best frames of this era would weight about 6.0 pounds.

- Don Gillies
San diego, CA
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Old December 22nd 06, 12:31 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Donald Gillies wrote:
Four things say that this is a high-quality frameset :

(a) The reinforcing tangs on the rear brake bridge, found on high
quality frames.

(b) The barrel for brake mounting on the rear bridge, found on high
quality frames.

(c) The cinelli fork crown.

(d) Chainstay brazing treatment.

However, the lack of bottom-bracket cutouts mean this is _not_ an
absolutely top-flite frame. The very very best frames from the 1970's
and 1980's had a cutout on the bottom of the bottom bracket to lighten
up the frameset.


I wonder how much weight those cutouts saved (?)

I'll be the frame and fork together weigh 6.5 - 7.0 pounds. The very
best frames of this era would weight about 6.0 pounds.


In what size?


- Don Gillies
San diego, CA


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Old December 22nd 06, 04:41 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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"Ozark Bicycle" wrote in message
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Donald Gillies wrote:
Four things say that this is a high-quality frameset :

(a) The reinforcing tangs on the rear brake bridge, found on high
quality frames.

(b) The barrel for brake mounting on the rear bridge, found on high
quality frames.

(c) The cinelli fork crown.

(d) Chainstay brazing treatment.

However, the lack of bottom-bracket cutouts mean this is _not_ an
absolutely top-flite frame. The very very best frames from the 1970's
and 1980's had a cutout on the bottom of the bottom bracket to lighten
up the frameset.


I wonder how much weight those cutouts saved (?)


Ask all of the mid '70s Guerciotti owners with the star shaped stress
riser BB shells! ;-)

Just about every one that I saw from that era ended up with a cracked BB
shell.

Chas.


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Old December 22nd 06, 04:53 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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* * Chas wrote:
"Ozark Bicycle" wrote in message
ps.com...

Donald Gillies wrote:
Four things say that this is a high-quality frameset :

(a) The reinforcing tangs on the rear brake bridge, found on high
quality frames.

(b) The barrel for brake mounting on the rear bridge, found on high
quality frames.

(c) The cinelli fork crown.

(d) Chainstay brazing treatment.

However, the lack of bottom-bracket cutouts mean this is _not_ an
absolutely top-flite frame. The very very best frames from the 1970's
and 1980's had a cutout on the bottom of the bottom bracket to lighten
up the frameset.


I wonder how much weight those cutouts saved (?)


Ask all of the mid '70s Guerciotti owners with the star shaped stress
riser BB shells! ;-)

Just about every one that I saw from that era ended up with a cracked BB
shell.


Making large cutouts in a BB shell, whether to "save (not much) weight"
or to be fancy, seems an extremely dumb idea.

Chas.


 




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