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  #71  
Old May 13th 09, 12:24 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On May 11, 3:00*pm, thaksin wrote:
spindrift wrote:
On May 11, 12:18 pm, "Simon Mason"
wrote:
"spindrift" wrote in message


....


A Safespeed supporter who recklessly and illegally overtakes and then
threatens a lone female, class!
It puzzles me as to why there are so many pro motoring lobbyists on a
cycling NG; surely they have more than enough forums of their own.


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I don't mind them , call it the very public exposure of the kind of
mindset among the pro-speeding lobby. nuxxy and judith and the others
serve as a warning that the kind of people who demand the right to
drive as fast as they like are precisely the least suitable people to
whom this benefit ought be applied. Borderline sociopaths.


I've been reading some of your history.


It is pretty unbelievable just what a totally warped, deranged, car-
hating ****wit he is, isn't it? It would be hard to believe if the
Internet wasn't littered with all that hard evidence. He's clearly
very sick; he desperately needs help, but that's not to say that I
feel in any way sorry for him; anyone who is consumed with so much
twisted hatred for motorists and anyone who dares to stick up for
them, and anyone who makes bomb threats and goodness knows what else
against people who rightly disagree with them, as well as all the
other things he's said and done and boasted about doing, is deserving
of only the *very* deepest contempt. Somehow, I don't despise him as
much as Chapman, but it's only a very narrow disparity, and that's
only because Chapman is totally aware of what he's doing, whereas
Spindrift has definite and serious mental problems.

He does the anti-camera campaign a power of good, of course: when you
see that the pro-camera campaign has Spindrift, and many others who
are similar (if not as bad), whereas the anti-camera campaign has no-
one who is *anywhere near* as demented or disgusting, you know which
side is the correct one without even bothering to look into the
facts. In fact he's such a help to camera opponents that it was even
thought for a while that Spindrift was actually Paul Smith: it would
have been such a clever tactic that I might have believed it myself,
were it not for the fact that no-one remotely sane, least of all Paul
(RIP), could bring themselves to be that horribly vile, whether or not
they were pretending.

The only borderline sociopath in
this group is the one that looks at you out of the mirror in the
morning, you demented ****. Now FOAD, you posionous little scrote


Right on, except the smiley of course. ;-)
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  #72  
Old May 13th 09, 09:41 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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In ,
Alistair Gunn tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell
us:
Simon Mason twisted the electrons to say:
Or how about making it impossible to exceed the speed limit?
http://www.techradar.com/news/world-...imiters-597820


Isn't the usual argument at this stage that drivers will just leave
their right foot flat on the floor and stop concentrating on what
speed they're doing?


That was certainly the argument advanced by some dick from the ABD on the
box the other night.

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Old May 13th 09, 11:57 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On 12 May, 23:54, Nuxx Bar wrote:


PLEASE say that you don't sit in lane 3 of the motorway at what you
think is 70mph whether or not you're overtaking.


Certainly not. If people want to do 100 mph plus that is up to them,
but they risk being banned from the roads altogether like our football
club chairman was yesterday.


What, you've never seen anyone spot a camera and brake even when they
were already within the speed limit? *


Yes - I can't understand why.

If someone suddenly spots (or is
warned of) a camera, and they're not sure if they're within the
arbitrary limit or not, it makes sense to brake first and check
afterwards...that split second may make the difference between being
nabbed and not.


I prefer to know I am driving at the speed limit and therefore a)
don't give a toss about any cameras and b) am 100% sure of not being
nabbed.

.. *Leave the policing to the police please, as
they are trained to spot and deal with such things, and if you really
think anyone's driving dangerously, report them. *That's what the
police themselves would advise you to do, not take your own brand of
vigilante action.


So you agree that the police are the correct people to deal with
drivers exceeeding the speed limit and are trained to deal with them
by prosecuting them?

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Old May 14th 09, 09:29 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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In ,
Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk tweaked the Babbage-Engine to
tell us:

I'd prefer to see a system where instead of completely preventing
breaches of the speed limit, a "notch" or moveable detent was put in
the accelerator, which could be overridden (by stamping hard) but not
ignored.
Citroen have such a system on the C5, although it is user
programmable, rather than being driven by location.

Sort of like cruise control in reverse.
Cruise control normally works to keep the speed UP to the level
programmed, but can be overridden, whereas this works to keep the
speed DOWN to the level programmed unless deliberately overridden.
A flashing beacon when in "override" would complete the design nicely


From some reproduction of a Renault press release:

"One particular Renault innovation is the cruise control/speed limiter which
comes with a new interface. When this function is activated, the speed
selected by the driver is displayed at the top of the speedometer which
itself is ringed by a sequence of lights that take the form of an arc around
the central display. In speed limiter mode, the red segment lights up as the
speed increases, while the selected speed flashes if exceeded. The use of
colours is not only intuitive and functional; it also represents a gain in
terms of response time."

It's a fail. Any fule kno that looking at the speedometer, even for a
fraction of a second, causes an immediate fatal accident...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03...terror_ordeal/

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Old May 14th 09, 04:28 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Quoting Light of Aria :
Speed enforcement isn't road safety. It's the scape goating of a number of
problems on one simplistic factor.


Weren't you spewing this drivel in another thread? Would you like to start
with "everyone must get out of my way" here, or with social Darwinism?
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  #76  
Old May 14th 09, 05:28 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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David Damerell wrote:
Quoting Light of Aria :
Speed enforcement isn't road safety. It's the scape goating of a number of
problems on one simplistic factor.


Weren't you spewing this drivel in another thread? Would you like to start
with "everyone must get out of my way" here, or with social Darwinism?


How do you get internet access in your cave? Is it powered by a
pterodactyl running round a wheel?
  #77  
Old May 14th 09, 08:06 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On May 14, 9:29*am, "Dave Larrington"
wrote:

It's a fail. *Any fule kno that looking at the speedometer, even for a
fraction of a second, causes an immediate fatal accident...


**** off. No-one's ever said that, you car-hating loon. If you knew
anything about actual safe driving then you'd appreciate that lots of
little unnecessary distractions, while being hardly noticeable in
isolation, add up to an increased accident risk.

That's just one of the subtle concepts that some camera advocates are
too stupid to grasp, and others pretend not to realise because it's
inconvenient to them and their car-hating agenda to acknowledge it.
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Old May 14th 09, 08:11 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On May 14, 4:28*pm, David Damerell
wrote:
Quoting *Light of Aria :

Speed enforcement isn't road safety. It's the scape goating of a number of
problems on one simplistic factor.


Weren't you spewing this drivel in another thread?


It's bad enough that he stated a banned point of view in one thread,
but to do it in *two*.... No wonder there have been so many calls for
moderation, to stop such terrible things happening. (Good job such
calls will amount to nothing, like they always do.)

Would you like to start
with "everyone must get out of my way" here, or with social Darwinism?


You like people getting in motorists' way don't you? Can't have them
having it too easy...their frustration must be maximised, to punish
them for daring to drive when you don't want them to.

What is the problem with wanting to get in front of a slow person when
there's miles of unused roadspace in front of them? Who would want to
keep them sitting behind the slow person except a spiteful person, a
busybody, a car-hater or a control freak?
  #79  
Old May 14th 09, 08:33 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On May 11, 3:00*pm, "mileburner" wrote:

Therefore from the people I know, cyclists *are* drivers too.


This has been done to death. Car-haters can (and often do) drive
themselves, it merely makes them hypocrites: they believe that they
are somehow more entitled to drive than the "rabble" because they're
important enough for an exception to be applied. Chapman is a classic
example: anyone who doesn't believe that he thinks himself more
important than "ordinary" types is not very bright, to say the least.

"Do as I say, not as I do" is very much a cornerstone of socialism,
which of course car-haters usually subscribe to. That's why
Livingstone takes taxis everywhere, and doesn't have to pay a penalty
fare when he does actually deign to take the train (and deliberately
travels without a ticket). That's why Al Gore has a massive carbon
footprint and is always jetting off to exotic locations for no good
reason whatsoever, while he advocates all sorts of restrictions on the
rest of us. That's why Communist governments had their own dedicated
traffic lanes. Time and time again, you find that those who campaign
for and instigate mean-spirited, socialism-related restrictions such
as anti-motorist measures are living the high life themselves, and are
much worse "offenders" (by their own self-righteous standards) than
the rest of us.

The only reason this "I don't hate cars, I drive myself" nonsense
keeps coming up is because the car-haters are desperate to lie and
show that they don't hate cars (part of the "strategy"), but they
can't come up with any real, proper way of doing so (unsurprisingly
considering that they do actually hate cars); the only thing they can
think of is to keep desperately repeating "But I drive myself" in the
forlorn hope that someone might be deceived. But it isn't working,
and it's just another facet of the car-haters' self-importance that
they so consistently underestimate the intelligence of others.

One day they may just realise that they might be a bit more successful
at getting motorists off the roads if they start telling the truth
about hating cars and explaining why they think it would be better for
people to stop driving, instead of getting people's backs up by lying
and pretending to care about "safety", "the environment", "cycling"
etc. Such a strategy certainly couldn't be any less effective than
their current one. Still, I guess I shouldn't complain if they're
rubbish at getting motorists off the roads...I'm quite happy for
myself and everyone else to carry on driving, thanks, and I think cars
are great. It may be sacrilege to say so on uk.rec.anti-motorist, but
I couldn't really care less...at least I'm honest about what I think.
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Old May 20th 09, 11:48 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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spindrift wrote:

[ ... ]

Mr Benn, there's no aniti-motorist sentiment here, most of us are
motorists after all!
If you feel that criticising BAD drivers is 'anti-motorist' then
there's not much I can do about it, but don't invent arguments that
haven't been made.


Oh... the irony...
 




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