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On Feb 1, 5:03*pm, "david" wrote:
I have never tried helmet/ glasses mounted types, they do not appeal. Of the bicycle mounted ones the best by far is the original Mirycle. These can only be fitted to non aero road levers, which suits me well becase 3 of my bicycles have these levers. I have one, too, bought within the last 5 years or so. It was a pain to put on, involving drilling out the cable guide and other non- reversible steps. If I'd known all the steps, I wouldn't have bought it, in fact. Besides that, the mirror has a lot of mass compared to a more modern mirror such as a Cateye 7cm mtb mirror (which I've adapted to my other drop-bar bikes) so it goes out of adjustment easily unless very tight. And to weigh in on the noise issue, I can't tell the difference between a hybrid or straight diesel bus approaching from behind, whether it's on battery or not. Tire and air noise are by far the biggest factors. |
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On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:40:40, PatTX wrote:
: : I have no problem at all with people who say they don't need them. I : have no problem with people who say they've tried them but don't like : them, or can't get the hang of them. But I think the "oh ****" : vitriol they attract is pretty weird! : : - Frank Krygowski That's my position, too. I don't care if people use or do not use mirrors. I won't say that makes better or worse than other people. Hell, it doesn't affect me if you use a mirror--or don't. Why the vitriol on this subject? It's just a personal preference. BTW: The "Take a Look" mirror is well-made. It's the best mirror I've seen. I feel the same way. I don't have neck flexibility issues (except in the winter when I'm wearin my coat for the commute). Also in winter, when I'm wearing a hat to cover my ears, I simply can't hear as well. I tend to use my mirror for quick glances to see if I should even bother trying to change lanes for turns or to see if there's anyone coming up on me in the next 10 seconds or so. I use a Take a Look mirror mounted on my cheap-o sunglasses. It's well made enough that it's outlasted 3 pairs of glasses. http://www.rei.com/product/752285 Note that the picture on that page has the mirror rotated 90 degrees counter-clockwise so that it would interfere with your field of view. The only issue I have with it is that some styles of glasses have temples that are incompatible with the mounting mechanism. if you have round temples, it tends to rotate our of position. A friend of mine has a mirror that another friend of hers makes. He's a dentist and makes mirrors out of old dental mirrors. -alan -- Alan Hoyle - - http://www.alanhoyle.com/ |
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Alan Hoyle wrote:
:: :: The only issue I have with it is that some styles of glasses have :: temples that are incompatible with the mounting mechanism. if you :: have round temples, it tends to rotate our of position. Alan, remove the little rubber covers supplied with the mirror and replace them with the "heat shrink" tubing. I did this and they helped the fit with my Rideon sun glasses which have a triangular temple. Pat in TX |
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I haven't had the problems you mentioned with my Mirycles, perhaps it
depends on the levers, mine are shimano 600 and suntour superbe. The superbe was easy to install. Over the years I have damaged a few, never breaking the mirror, just the stems which are easily damaged. However replacement parts are available, and I have only needed 3 stems in 25 years. I am interested to know have you have adapted the cateye for a road bike. "Brian Huntley" wrote in message ... On Feb 1, 5:03 pm, "david" wrote: I have never tried helmet/ glasses mounted types, they do not appeal. Of the bicycle mounted ones the best by far is the original Mirycle. These can only be fitted to non aero road levers, which suits me well becase 3 of my bicycles have these levers. I have one, too, bought within the last 5 years or so. It was a pain to put on, involving drilling out the cable guide and other non- reversible steps. If I'd known all the steps, I wouldn't have bought it, in fact. Besides that, the mirror has a lot of mass compared to a more modern mirror such as a Cateye 7cm mtb mirror (which I've adapted to my other drop-bar bikes) so it goes out of adjustment easily unless very tight. And to weigh in on the noise issue, I can't tell the difference between a hybrid or straight diesel bus approaching from behind, whether it's on battery or not. Tire and air noise are by far the biggest factors. |
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On Feb 1, 2:38*pm, blanny wrote:
Chris wrote in news:768e847e-02c4-4107-8f45- : Never used one and I doubt I ever will. They are distracting and block part of your field of view. Your second sentence contradicts your first sentence. *Not to be taken seriously, I guess. Sorry the extrapolation was too much to fathom. I have never used one / on a bike/. I've worked in bike shops for years, and have tried several brands and models. I was displeased with all of them and found them too unreliable to be relied upon for safety. Chris |
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On Feb 1, 9:44 pm, SMS wrote:
Yeah, his attitude reminds me of "G-d said it, I believe it, and that settles it." My opinion is based on years of experience as a bicycle retailer and as a bicycle rider. I’ve tried a variety of makes and models of mirrors, and disliked them from the onset enough to not want them on my helmet, glasses (which I do not wear), or handle bars. They bounce, move out of alignment, and block your field of vision in the area I want to see most of my peripheral vision, front left to avoid left turning cars. Again, /my opinion/. A mind is a terrible thing to close. Let us know when you stop judging people for having an informed opinion with experience. Until then, the statement applies to you, not me. Chris |
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"Tom Keats" wrote in message ... In article , "Roger Zoul" writes: Shoulder checking both to the left and right without swerving is an easily-enough acquired bicycle riding basic skill (with practice.) Once one has the skill, one doesn't really need to rely upon redundant accoutrements along with their limitations, in order to lazily avoid a little initial effort and practice. And it seems to me, the more skills a rider acquires, the more empowered he or she becomes. Looking at the thing itself instead of its reflection gives the advantage of depth perception, and avoids certain optical effects impinged by mirrors, such as image darkening, washing-out of certain colours, and distorted image sizes ("objects in mirror are closer than they appear.") Wow....spew total nonsense. A simple glance at a mirror is enough to know all you need for the given situation. It not as though you need to read a PhD disseration in a mirror. If one is going to use use a mirror, one might as well be aware of its limitations -- what to expect, and what not to expect of it. Shoulder checking also enables a rider to make eye-contact communication with fellow road/street users behind, and signals that the shoulder checking rider is about to change his vector -- perhaps for a lane change, perhaps for a turn. /That's/ what looking rearward is for, not for seeing if some intangible threat is there, like the Boogie Man hiding under one's bed. Why would someone using a mirror not shoulder check? Do you assume that because the mirror is there that the rider isn't going to move his/her head to check what's in the spot right next to him/her? In that case, the mirror is a redundant accessory. If the rider has already looked directly, why would he then use the mirror? It's not at all redundant because you can also check your rear quickly without moving your head to actually look behind you. There are plenty of times were all you need to know is what is behind you...you may not be ready to change your position on the road, but you can still know what's there. A single glance that takes only an instant, with no need to look behind. It's call situational awareness and it is quite obvious from your comments that you have no idea about this. I confess to having a handlebar mirror on my main bike. It's convenient for quick, half-the-story glances. Sometimes it reassures me that the top of my cargo trailer is still on, and my laundry isn't flying out all over the street, while I still keep an eye on what's up ahead. So you're using a mirror, then. It enhances your situational awareness, but you don't depend on it totally. Exactly! You have a full range of senses and your vision is a very powerful one. If you eyes are open then they can collection information over a continuum of different possible positions. It's powerful, not otherwise. There have been occasions where other riders have passed me on my right, threading the needle between me and a line of parked cars, through the door zone. I guess they want to show off how fast they are, but they're scared to venture deeper into where the cars go. I confess to being caught by surprise a few times by this stupid maneouver. I'm wise to it now. It usually happens when the fair-weather riders come out of the woodwork. My handlebar mirror gives no indication of this when it's incipient. A shoulder-check to the ~right~, would. One has to be alert to the presence of upcoming other riders, as well as cars. Especially when riders pull boneheaded stunts such as I described above. In those situations, I maintain "a simple glance at a mirror is enough to know all you need for the given situation" just doesn't cut the mustard. You can maintain all you like, but you still clueless. cheers, Tom -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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"Phil W Lee" phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk wrote in message ... "Roger Zoul" considered Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:40:53 -0500 the perfect time to write: "Tom Keats" wrote in message ... Any other sage advice for a mirror neophyte? Learn to not use one before you do. And never trust a mirror to give you the full picture. If by that you mean to always turn our head to check before making a lane change, then I agree. However, a mirror can give you a much better state of situational awareness if properly used. However, where humans are concerned there is always the chance for error. When I was training novice motorcyclists we used to remove their mirrors until they'd learned to look over their shoulders appropriately and safely. Some people just WON'T learn as long as the mirror is there. With people you always have to assume that they will never act exactly the right way all the time. We are not robots. That's why I try to do a quick glance to my side right before shifting positions even though I almost always know what the situation is...because I check my rear frequently using the mirror. This, for me, is just being extra cautious because I like riding and living and not being hurt and the cost to be extra careful is basically zero. I mean, what else am I doing that I can't bother to glance to my side? |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
But the incidents that first tempted me to use a mirror involved passing cars. Yes, I can usually hear upcoming cars (assuming the wind isn't too strong), but I realized that I couldn't tell if I was being passed by one car or two, or how closely I was being passed. And when riding our pothole minefields, I found it very handy to know whether a passing car was moving clear to the next lane or not. I can easily tell these things with an eyeglass mirror. I like the rear view mirrors for these reasons as well. I use the basic ones attached to the handlebar. I don't wear a helmet and the one's attached to glasses seem to strain my eye. I don't need to be able to read a book using the mirrors. Just quick scans of the situation behind to help me decide how I'm going to ride the road conditions ahead of me (i.e. primarily taking the lane for, say, parked cars, or holding tight a little while longer). They almost certainly aren't going to save my life by helping me get out of the way of someone about to run me down although they may help me detect someone driving erratically before they actually get close. And it's a lot easier to just glance in the rear view rather than turn my head. The shoulder check should be de rigeur for crossing the road to prep for a left turn though. I have no problem at all with people who say they don't need them. I have no problem with people who say they've tried them but don't like them, or can't get the hang of them. But I think the "oh ****" vitriol they attract is pretty weird! Yea, I think it's a bit strange too. SMH |
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