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Running a red light on a bike at a photo-enforced intersection
On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:05:37 -0800, SMS
wrote: I'm surprised that a "rolling right on red" (translation--running the red light) is only $75. If you are ticketed by a police officer, you get a ticket and a hefty fine. If the camera gets you, you get to see your video online an mail 'em a check (or pay with a credit card online) for $75, and it doesn't show as a moving violation on your record. At least that's the way it works here. As far as your parenthetical statement, I believe there's a difference between hauling ass through an intersection, and braking (but not stoping completely) before making a right turn. But as far as the camera is concerned, it isn't. |
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Jay wrote:
For those who may not know: Some municipalities in the States are installing automated cameras at select intersections. The cameras take pictures of vehicles who have run the red light, and mail a ticket to the registered owner of the motor vehicle, based on the license plate. Do red-light-running-bikes have anything to be concerned about? Absolutely zero, as far as getting a ticket via the camera. The dirty little secret of those camera violations is there is no way to enforce the ticket. Unless the you admit the violation by returning the mailed ticket. The letter that is mailed is not registered, nor does is require a signature of receipt. Do the math... -- Tp, -------- __o ----- -\. -------- __o --- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\. -------------------- ( )/ ( ) ----------------------------------------- No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron... |
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Running a red light on a bike at a photo-enforced intersection
Tom Keats wrote:
:: Not so many years ago, British Columbia had automated :: photo-radar. Oooh, you shoulda heard the hue & cry :: over that. The drivers were screamin' like stuck pigs. :: "Money grab" this, "oppression" that ... :: :: Then another political party took over the provincial :: gov't and got rid of the photo-radar for political :: expediency (i.e: popularity.) :: :: Citizens & governments are sure all for Law And Order, :: except when it interferes with their (our) own :: law breaking. :: :: cheers, :: Tom A couple of months ago, the city of Dallas started a campaign to force people to get their cars registered/inspected. They announced they would impound cars found lacking in those respects. Well, immediately, people started writing letters to the editor of the Dallas Morning News decrying the oppressiveness of one being required to have his motor vehicle registered and inspected prior to driving on the city streets. According to them, it impacted only poor people and especially impacted illegal aliens, so it was obviously a class warfare tactic as well as a punitive immigration tactic. A few days ago, there was a story on the red light cameras in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, complete with guys being interviewed saying their lack of stopping on red prior to turning right was of no significance because they "were sure that no one was in danger" when they rolled through the corner. The only thing lacking from that news story was the obligatory "why don't the police go after someone who's REALLY breaking the law for a change!" stuff. Pat |
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PatTX wrote:
A few days ago, there was a story on the red light cameras in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, complete with guys being interviewed saying their lack of stopping on red prior to turning right was of no significance because they "were sure that no one was in danger" when they rolled through the corner. The only thing lacking from that news story was the obligatory "why don't the police go after someone who's REALLY breaking the law for a change!" stuff. Well I do think that it'd be a better use of their time to go after red light runners that are going straight through the intersection, or turning left, rather than those that are running it with a 5 MPH right turn. While not condoning the right turn red light runners, it's probably true that the danger was minimal. |
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On Feb 28, 6:35*pm, SMS wrote:
PatTX wrote: A few days ago, there was a story on the red light cameras in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, complete with guys being interviewed saying their lack of stopping on red prior to turning right was of no significance because they "were sure that no one was in danger" when they rolled through the corner. The only thing lacking from that news story was the obligatory "why don't the police go after someone who's REALLY breaking the law for a change!" stuff. Well I do think that it'd be a better use of their time to go after red light runners that are going straight through the intersection, or turning left, rather than those that are running it with a 5 MPH right turn. While not condoning the right turn red light runners, it's probably true that the danger was minimal. Not if there is a pedestrian there. Many drivers see only cars. - Frank Krygowski |
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SMS wrote:
:: PatTX wrote: :: ::: A few days ago, there was a story on the red light cameras in the ::: Fort Worth Star-Telegram, complete with guys being interviewed ::: saying their lack of stopping on red prior to turning right was of ::: no significance because they "were sure that no one was in danger" ::: when they rolled through the corner. The only thing lacking from ::: that news story was the obligatory "why don't the police go after ::: someone who's REALLY breaking the law for a change!" stuff. :: :: Well I do think that it'd be a better use of their time to go after :: red light runners that are going straight through the intersection, :: or turning left, rather than those that are running it with a 5 MPH :: right turn. While not condoning the right turn red light runners, :: it's probably true that the danger was minimal. Until the red light cameras came into being, "they" didn't go after either of these scofflaws. Pat in TX |
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Running a red light on a bike at a photo-enforced intersection
On Feb 26, 7:29 pm, wrote:
On Feb 26, 8:11 pm, wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:44:44 -0600, "Jay" wrote: I ride to work at 5am. I can see for .25 miles in each direction (left and right) at the intersection in question. The risk to all parties involved approaches zero. J. I also run 'em on an early morning commute. I'll also do the old right-uturn-right maneuver in certain situations. My checkbook is $75 lighter because one of those cameras got me doing a rolling right turn on red--another situation where I was endangering no one. But the video didn't lie--I didn't stop so it cost me. I'd like to blow through one (assuming no cross traffic) just to see if I'd set off the camera. what happens when you roll through reds is that it becomes habit forming. your mind becomes less attuned to reacting to seeing a red light. You will find yourself rolling through a red by force of habit when you should've stopped. It can also influence how you drive. Pure conjecture. Ever walk an abandoned big city at night? Surely most of us jay walk up a storm, ignoring signals as potential automobiles can be heard coming a block away. However, when walking with the masses during the flight to lunch--these evening stroll does not imprint one enough to step in front of a Taxi cab. To the experienced pedestrian, the mere presence of others will automatically change habits--the same goes for smart cyclists and even veteran motorists. Surely with your theory, NASCAR drivers in their minivans would have the whole family turning left uncontrolably, making the children late for soccer practice. |
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Running a red light on a bike at a photo-enforced intersection
On Feb 27, 1:05 pm, SMS wrote:
I'm surprised that a "rolling right on red" (translation--running the red light) is only $75. Forbidding right on red is what's surprising. Doing so as a blanket rule inhibits urban traffic flow. |
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Running a red light on a bike at a photo-enforced intersection
landotter wrote:
:: On Feb 27, 1:05 pm, SMS wrote: :: ::: I'm surprised that a "rolling right on red" (translation--running ::: the red light) is only $75. :: :: Forbidding right on red is what's surprising. Doing so as a blanket :: rule inhibits urban traffic flow. Who does that blanket rule? Pat in TX |
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