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  #111  
Old April 8th 11, 10:37 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tony Raven[_3_]
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Tony Dragon wrote:
On 08/04/2011 19:56, Tony Raven wrote:
Tony wrote:
On 08/04/2011 19:11, Tony Raven wrote:
Tony wrote:

There are no exceptions - merely a tax rate of zero.

So in that case he pays zero ( one of the exceptions)


Why is it an exception? Is the zero rated band of income tax an exception
(hardly since it applies to everyone with income) or just a zero rated tax
band?
.

Good so you agree that the payment is a pre-requisite for using the
vehicle on the road (being allowed use the road0

No because for quite a few models of car there is no payment. Having a VED
disc is a prerequisite but it needn't cost you anything.




Wriggle, wriggle


The most honest exposition of your position yet.


Do you require a spade for your digging?


No thanks, your doing quite well with it yourself.

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  #112  
Old April 8th 11, 10:37 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tony Raven[_3_]
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Matt B wrote:
On 08/04/2011 22:10, Tony Raven wrote:
Matt wrote:

It's not necessarily bigger /or/ more polluting cars, as neither of those
are used as criteria for establishing the tax level.


"Vehicle tax rates for cars registered on or after 1 March 2001 are split
into 13 bands depending on CO2 emissions. The amount you'll pay depends on
which band your car is in. The lower a car’s emissions, the lower the
vehicle tax payable on it."
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10012524

I expect you'll try to claim CO2 isn't pollution.


It is not how much they pollute, it is their theoretical _potential_ to
pollute (well emit CO2) that dictates the tax rate. The amount that is
actually emitted during the year is _not_ taken into account. A band M
car is taxed at GBP460.00 even if it is kept on the road, but travels
zero miles (and thus doesn't pollute at all) in a year. Similarly a band
A isn't taxed, even if it travels 100,000 miles in a year and pollutes a lot!


So you would vary your annual mileage according to the emission level of
your car?

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  #113  
Old April 8th 11, 10:46 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tony Dragon
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On 08/04/2011 22:37, Tony Raven wrote:
Matt wrote:
On 08/04/2011 22:10, Tony Raven wrote:
Matt wrote:

It's not necessarily bigger /or/ more polluting cars, as neither of those
are used as criteria for establishing the tax level.

"Vehicle tax rates for cars registered on or after 1 March 2001 are split
into 13 bands depending on CO2 emissions. The amount you'll pay depends on
which band your car is in. The lower a car’s emissions, the lower the
vehicle tax payable on it."
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10012524

I expect you'll try to claim CO2 isn't pollution.


It is not how much they pollute, it is their theoretical _potential_ to
pollute (well emit CO2) that dictates the tax rate. The amount that is
actually emitted during the year is _not_ taken into account. A band M
car is taxed at GBP460.00 even if it is kept on the road, but travels
zero miles (and thus doesn't pollute at all) in a year. Similarly a band
A isn't taxed, even if it travels 100,000 miles in a year and pollutes a lot!


So you would vary your annual mileage according to the emission level of
your car?


I must have missed the bit where he said that, could you point it out?
  #114  
Old April 8th 11, 10:47 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tony Dragon
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On 08/04/2011 22:37, Tony Raven wrote:
Tony wrote:
On 08/04/2011 19:56, Tony Raven wrote:
Tony wrote:
On 08/04/2011 19:11, Tony Raven wrote:
Tony wrote:

There are no exceptions - merely a tax rate of zero.

So in that case he pays zero ( one of the exceptions)


Why is it an exception? Is the zero rated band of income tax an exception
(hardly since it applies to everyone with income) or just a zero rated tax
band?
.

Good so you agree that the payment is a pre-requisite for using the
vehicle on the road (being allowed use the road0

No because for quite a few models of car there is no payment. Having a VED
disc is a prerequisite but it needn't cost you anything.




Wriggle, wriggle

The most honest exposition of your position yet.


Do you require a spade for your digging?


No thanks, your doing quite well with it yourself.


I'm not the one in the hole.
  #115  
Old April 8th 11, 10:55 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
The Medway Handyman[_4_]
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On 08/04/2011 16:03, Front Mech wrote:
On 7 apr, 18:37, "
wrote:
On Apr 7, 3:46 pm, Sedentary IgnorantPopulist









wrote:
On 6 apr, 20:38, The Medway
wrote:


On 06/04/2011 18:55, Simon Mason wrote:


On Apr 6, 6:14 pm, The Medway
wrote:
On 05/04/2011 18:59, Simon Mason wrote:


On Apr 5, 6:51 pm, The Medway
wrote:


Same here, plus 300 quid on two tyres.
But in the black/white world of the Medway Man and his ilk, cyclists
do not own cars or drive. They are *all* non tax paying, law breaking
scum, so I was trying to keep things simple. ;-)


You obviously need to keep things simple.


Cyclists are sponging freeloaders when they cycle. When driving they
have paid an 'extra' tax for using that vehicle on the road. When
cycling they have not paid an 'extra' tax to use that vehicle on the road.


Even you should be able to grasp that.


See Janet in her car.
Janet has never paid a penny for fuel, VED, tyres, MOTs, insurance,
repairs etc in her life.
Her cycling husband John has paid every last penny of it all.
Janet is a free loading driving scum.


Did you take evening classes in being a thick ****?


The point is that 'someone' paid the EXTRA tax so she could drive on the
road.


Correct - I do.
She doesn't.


Cyclists don't pay an EXTRA tax.


The person who actually paid the VED on Janet's car is a cyclist.
Therefore a cyclist has paid the extra tax.
Simple enough now?


A cyclist has paid the EXTRA tax so a CAR can be used on the road NOT A
****ING PUSH BIKE.


Retard.


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You is so right Davey, I luv yer! it shoold be illeagle to use a
kids'toy (bike) if you have pyed your road tacx - you shoold be maid
to drive - youre wright.


This cyclist cut me up yesterday and I called him a tacx free ****er.
he said he had a car: I punched him in the face. I said Dave says you
shoold be ****ing innit then.


Keep up your ecxellant work Dave: I woold vote for yeah.


Would you agree that the owner of a car has to pay a specific tax/duty/
etc(s) to enable him to use the car on the road (forget the
exceptions)?

Would you agree that the owner of a bicycle does not have to pay a
specific tax/duty/etc(s)c to enable him to use the bicycle on the road
(forget the exceptions)?


There are no exceptions - merely a tax rate of zero.
Tax is not "earmarked" - the money goes into the general receipts of
the government.


You mean it was stolen by politicians?

Therefore no-one pays a tax specifically to use a
road. The taxing of a car is a pre-requisite to its being allowed on
the road and not a specific payment for road use.


You can't use (the vast majority) of cars on the 'road' without paying
Road Tax. Its not a tax on owning a car or driving a car on private
land - its a tax for road use.

In fact, the
spending upon roads is not covered by VED and non-car users subsidise
car users in regard to government spending on roads.


FXhysterical laughterFX

Are you suggesting that, by dint of having paid Road Tax, a car-driver has
more right to be on the road than a cyclist?


Absolutely. IFYPFY.


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  #116  
Old April 8th 11, 10:57 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
The Medway Handyman[_4_]
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On 08/04/2011 19:11, Tony Raven wrote:
Tony wrote:

There are no exceptions - merely a tax rate of zero.


So in that case he pays zero ( one of the exceptions)



Why is it an exception? Is the zero rated band of income tax an exception
(hardly since it applies to everyone with income) or just a zero rated tax
band?
.

Good so you agree that the payment is a pre-requisite for using the
vehicle on the road (being allowed use the road0


No because for quite a few models of car there is no payment. Having a VED
disc is a prerequisite but it needn't cost you anything.


But for 94% of cars it is.

Try a remedial maths class.

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  #117  
Old April 8th 11, 11:12 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Matt B
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On 08/04/2011 22:37, Tony Raven wrote:
Matt wrote:
On 08/04/2011 22:10, Tony Raven wrote:
Matt wrote:

It's not necessarily bigger /or/ more polluting cars, as neither of those
are used as criteria for establishing the tax level.

"Vehicle tax rates for cars registered on or after 1 March 2001 are split
into 13 bands depending on CO2 emissions. The amount you'll pay depends on
which band your car is in. The lower a car’s emissions, the lower the
vehicle tax payable on it."
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10012524

I expect you'll try to claim CO2 isn't pollution.


It is not how much they pollute, it is their theoretical _potential_ to
pollute (well emit CO2) that dictates the tax rate. The amount that is
actually emitted during the year is _not_ taken into account. A band M
car is taxed at GBP460.00 even if it is kept on the road, but travels
zero miles (and thus doesn't pollute at all) in a year. Similarly a band
A isn't taxed, even if it travels 100,000 miles in a year and pollutes a lot!


So you would vary your annual mileage according to the emission level of
your car?


If you have a band A commuting car and a band M weekend car, you could
easily be emitting twice as much CO2 with the car that attracts no tax
as you do with the car that you have to pay GBP460 for the year on.

Car road tax isn't determined by the amount you pollute (or emit CO2).

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  #118  
Old April 8th 11, 11:19 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
The Medway Handyman[_4_]
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On 08/04/2011 23:12, Matt B wrote:
On 08/04/2011 22:37, Tony Raven wrote:
Matt wrote:
On 08/04/2011 22:10, Tony Raven wrote:
Matt wrote:

It's not necessarily bigger /or/ more polluting cars, as neither of
those
are used as criteria for establishing the tax level.

"Vehicle tax rates for cars registered on or after 1 March 2001 are
split
into 13 bands depending on CO2 emissions. The amount you'll pay
depends on
which band your car is in. The lower a car’s emissions, the lower the
vehicle tax payable on it."
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...le/DG_10012524


I expect you'll try to claim CO2 isn't pollution.

It is not how much they pollute, it is their theoretical _potential_ to
pollute (well emit CO2) that dictates the tax rate. The amount that is
actually emitted during the year is _not_ taken into account. A band M
car is taxed at GBP460.00 even if it is kept on the road, but travels
zero miles (and thus doesn't pollute at all) in a year. Similarly a band
A isn't taxed, even if it travels 100,000 miles in a year and
pollutes a lot!


So you would vary your annual mileage according to the emission level of
your car?


If you have a band A commuting car and a band M weekend car, you could
easily be emitting twice as much CO2 with the car that attracts no tax
as you do with the car that you have to pay GBP460 for the year on.

Car road tax isn't determined by the amount you pollute (or emit CO2).

Indeed if it was, vehicles built prior to 1973 would attract huge rates
of tax, instead of being exempt.

Another Road Tax Denial fallacy.
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  #119  
Old April 8th 11, 11:21 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
The Medway Handyman[_4_]
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On 08/04/2011 22:47, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 08/04/2011 22:37, Tony Raven wrote:
Tony wrote:
On 08/04/2011 19:56, Tony Raven wrote:
Tony wrote:
On 08/04/2011 19:11, Tony Raven wrote:
Tony wrote:

There are no exceptions - merely a tax rate of zero.

So in that case he pays zero ( one of the exceptions)


Why is it an exception? Is the zero rated band of income tax an
exception
(hardly since it applies to everyone with income) or just a zero
rated tax
band?
.

Good so you agree that the payment is a pre-requisite for using the
vehicle on the road (being allowed use the road0

No because for quite a few models of car there is no payment.
Having a VED
disc is a prerequisite but it needn't cost you anything.




Wriggle, wriggle

The most honest exposition of your position yet.


Do you require a spade for your digging?


No thanks, your doing quite well with it yourself.


I'm not the one in the hole.


Seems like Mr Raving wants to compete with those miners in Chile.


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  #120  
Old April 9th 11, 01:22 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Rob Morley
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On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 22:47:30 +0100
Tony Dragon wrote:

I'm not the one in the hole.


You just act like you /are/ the hole sometimes.

 




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