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The _Observer_ on "deadly" bike lanes
There's one in London (Somers Town) where there have been some truly
horrific attacks on cyclists. Apparently in Norwich at the weekend, a couple of cyclists were threatened with knives by louts, on separate occasions... Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune **$om $ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- |
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The _Observer_ on "deadly" bike lanes
Nathaniel Porter wrote:
"Steve Peake" wrote in message ... On 23 May 2004 12:35:07 -0700, bikerider7 wrote: [Note: I have not been on Blackfriars bridge, and the article seems quite vague on the "problem" with this particular cycle lane....] Scandal of our deadly cycle lanes Same story was on bbc local news tonight on tv. May be repeated later after 9 if anyone missed it. Thanks to the unique way the BBC is funded ;-) http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/realmedia/news/tvnews.ram The report in question is at 5:20. Note this will be updated around 22:45 with the 10 o'clock bulletin. Good report, I think. Good ole' BBC. -- Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/ Mae bys Mari-Ann wedi brifo |
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 20:04:01 +0100, Nathaniel Porter wrote:
Thanks to the unique way the BBC is funded ;-) http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/realmedia/news/tvnews.ram I was looking for that, I knew it must be there somewhere! Steve |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/realmedia/news/tvnews.ram
I was looking for that, I knew it must be there somewhere! Steve Having viewed the report - the lane is similar to one in Norwich, which has been around for quite a time now. On this bit of road between two roundabouts here... http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.sr...sv=622250,3082 50&st=4&ar=Y&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf &dn=707 or http://tinyurl.com/26g29 I've never cycled on it, but I remember the first time I saw it when I was in the car and thinking, "What a bloody stupid place to put a narrow cycle lane, between two relatively narrow lanes of traffic who can both undertake you and overtake you." If I were to cycle that stretch of tarmac I would *not* be using it, which would no doubt be leading to the usual derisory comments from motorists :-( I honestly believe no traffic engineer should be allowed anywhere near designing cycle facilities until he or she has used a pedal cycle as their *only* form of transport for a minimum of a year, in all weathers... and then they should have to spend at least six months of the year where the bike is their only form of transport... Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune **$om $ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- |
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
Oooh! Where? Where? ;-) Guardbridge to St. Andrews. No turns off a few miles where the only alternative is a single carriageway A road with lots of bends, so you end up causing a procession which isn't any fun for anyone. A good example of the sort of place a cycle track works well. Similarly up the A9, which has several miles between turnoffs. Unusual, but they do exist. Pete. -- Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2004 18:29:11 +0100, Peter Tillotson wrote in message : Cycle lanes also have the irritating habit of stoping at every road junction. I don't mind cycle lanes, as long as they are well designed and recognise that cyclist like to maintain momentum. Oooh! Where? Where? ;-) Found some good ones either side of Easter. Alongside the canals in Belgium... -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ ================================================== ========= Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter http://www.bhpc.org.uk/ ================================================== ========= |
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 08:00:48 +0000, dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers
wrote: I honestly believe no traffic engineer should be allowed anywhere near designing cycle facilities until he or she has used a pedal cycle as their *only* form of transport for a minimum of a year, in all weathers... and then they should have to spend at least six months of the year where the bike is their only form of transport... I agree. quite often people say that architects should live in their own houses. (If I'm not wrong Erno Goldfinger lived in Trellick Tower?) Anyway, the traffic engineers should at least be made to ride bicycles along the roads they design. |
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Is it my imagination, or has that bus lane only been added recently? I go
over Blackfriars Bridge if I have cause to allow Darth Stuart to relieve me of some of my hard-earned, and don't remember seeing it before... -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ ================================================== ========= Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter http://www.bhpc.org.uk/ ================================================== ========= |
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in message , David Arditti
') wrote: If we take this kind of thing, quoted by Patrick Herring in this thread: Traffic safety of cycle tracks in Danish cities. Before and after study of 105 new cycle paths in Denmark, introduced 1978-81, totalling 64km. Cyclist casualties increased 48% following introduction of paths. one kind of wonders why all the cyclists in Denmark and The Netherlands have not been wiped out by now, since they have both continued to built more segregated tracks since then. People who hold this view need to explain why these localised studies, if correct, seem so out of kilter with the overall national statistics of cycling deaths and injuries. Why is it so safe in Denmark and The Netherlands in reality? That one is easy. Because it used to be very very safe, but since the introduction of separate facilities it is merely very safe. The absolute numbers may be lower than in Britain, but the trends may not be. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ ;; Human history becomes more and more a race between ;; education and catastrophe. H.G. Wells, "The Outline of History" |
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in message , Just zis Guy,
you know? ') wrote: On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:17:41 +0100, David Arditti wrote in message : Effective networks of cycle tracks encourage a much larger section of the population to cycle than we generally see on two wheels in the UK. Evidence? Edinburgh spent large sums and the number of utility cyclists apparently dropped. Cite, please? I don't disbelieve you but would like to be able to quote this. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ ;; all in all you're just another click in the call ;; -- Minke Bouyed |
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