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On 15/04/2014 12:54, Mel Rowing wrote:
On 15/04/2014 10:35, ®i©ardo wrote:
On 14/04/2014 17:27, Vidcapper wrote:

Manufacturing industries mainly - they were subject to strict state
regulation, even if the gov't didn't technically own them.


But that was during the war for obvious reasons. There was far less need
for such once the war was over, least of all by way of industries being
taken over and run by the state. This always seems to be a recipe for
disaster as they end up being controlled by people who couldn't run a
whelk stall.

The war did more damage to our way of life much more than was obvious at
the time.

It drove politicians nearer towards the command economy that many
aspired to and some still do. These were very reluctant to yeild this
authority once the emergency was over. The election of an Atlee
government in 1945 did not help matters in this respect.

Dear old Maggie swore to roll back the frontiers of the state. Alas she
was only partially successful and some of the ground she won has
subsequently been yielded.

Old habits die hard and power is enjoyable.

We need to keep chipping away until the penny eventually drops and folks
realise that the need of emergency measures is long over. People are
capable of living their own lives without nanny state hovering in the
background.





Spot on, but the loony lefties won't like that a bit.

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On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 17:07:12 +0100, ®i©ardo
wrote:

On 15/04/2014 12:54, Mel Rowing wrote:
On 15/04/2014 10:35, ®i©ardo wrote:
On 14/04/2014 17:27, Vidcapper wrote:

Manufacturing industries mainly - they were subject to strict state
regulation, even if the gov't didn't technically own them.


But that was during the war for obvious reasons. There was far less need
for such once the war was over, least of all by way of industries being
taken over and run by the state. This always seems to be a recipe for
disaster as they end up being controlled by people who couldn't run a
whelk stall.

The war did more damage to our way of life much more than was obvious at
the time.

It drove politicians nearer towards the command economy that many
aspired to and some still do. These were very reluctant to yeild this
authority once the emergency was over. The election of an Atlee
government in 1945 did not help matters in this respect.

Dear old Maggie swore to roll back the frontiers of the state. Alas she
was only partially successful and some of the ground she won has
subsequently been yielded.

Old habits die hard and power is enjoyable.

We need to keep chipping away until the penny eventually drops and folks
realise that the need of emergency measures is long over. People are
capable of living their own lives without nanny state hovering in the
background.





Spot on, but the loony lefties won't like that a bit.

do you believe they can still live their own lives...assuming
they have one


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On 15/04/2014 10:54, abelard wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:51:19 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 14/04/2014 12:49, ®i©ardo wrote:

On 13/04/2014 15:28, Vidcapper wrote:
On 13/04/2014 11:49, ®i©ardo wrote:

As for privatisations that was merely returning things appropriated by
the then government from their owners under their great Sovietisation -
oops, sorry - Nationalisation Acts of 1946 and 1948.

Except that most professions were effectively nationalised *anyway*,
thanks to the war.

So which "professions" were nationalised?

I was wondering that.

medicine(nhs)... a large slice of the economy...
many interferences with 'education'...eg, raising school age...
wage controls
legal aid...

what are you terming as a 'profession'?

Medicine still isn't nationalised and it was not nationalised during the
war.

"A large slice of the economy"? What does that mean?

Education was "interfered with" by the 1944 Education Act, I suppose,
but it did not change the basic facts of compulsory education introduced
in the nineteenth century. The leaving age was still only 14 at the end
of the war. It's been raised twice since.

Wage controls are not nationalisation.

Legal aid is not nationalisation; it's a form of social security.

On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 17:55:30 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 15/04/2014 10:54, abelard wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 12:51:19 +0100, JNugent
wrote:

On 14/04/2014 12:49, ®i©ardo wrote:

On 13/04/2014 15:28, Vidcapper wrote:
On 13/04/2014 11:49, ®i©ardo wrote:

As for privatisations that was merely returning things appropriated by
the then government from their owners under their great Sovietisation -
oops, sorry - Nationalisation Acts of 1946 and 1948.

Except that most professions were effectively nationalised *anyway*,
thanks to the war.

So which "professions" were nationalised?

I was wondering that.

medicine(nhs)... a large slice of the economy...
many interferences with 'education'...eg, raising school age...
wage controls
legal aid...

what are you terming as a 'profession'?

Medicine still isn't nationalised and it was not nationalised during the
war.

"A large slice of the economy"? What does that mean?

from memory only
last i looked it was in the 10% region....earlier it was ~7%...
of course, raising the outgoing taxes spent on government
operations has no clear or even obvious connection with
productivity

it's nearer 16% in the usa

a major driver of the nhs has been to keep the nhs cheap...

Education was "interfered with" by the 1944 Education Act, I suppose,
but it did not change the basic facts of compulsory education introduced
in the nineteenth century. The leaving age was still only 14 at the end
of the war. It's been raised twice since.

Wage controls are not nationalisation.

the union 'negotiates' with the government...

Legal aid is not nationalisation; it's a form of social security.

call the bits what you want...it's all controlled, owned and
paid for by the government out of taxes

i'm not quite clear what/why you are questioning


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On 15/04/2014 12:54, Mel Rowing wrote:

We need to keep chipping away until the penny eventually drops and folks
realise that the need of emergency measures is long over. People are
capable of living their own lives without nanny state hovering in the
background.


This sounds a bit like a reverse scenario from The Matrix - people being
so inured to the system that they couldn't survive on their own...



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