Do bicyclists ever get arrested for drunk biking??

Brent P wrote:

In article , Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote:


Brent P wrote:

In article , Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote:

No it doesn't. Only if you view government as an external control over
the people. The government the founders attempted to create was to be a
servant of the people.

It should be a servant of the People but it still takes away rights. It
has to or it would have no power at all.

It doesn't take away any real rights. The thing is you're trying to say
that it is a right to beat up your neighbor and take his property
apparently. That such 'rights' are taken away. I contend they are not
rights, never were.

I don't think we have a good definition of what "rights" means.

I do, you don't.

Then spell it out. We don't have a good working defintion here.



That is if we are civilized beings. If we are animals
then the whole thing is a sham.

The articles I refered you to explain the difference. But apparently
you'd rather not read them. So I am done here.

I'm not particularly interested in searching for materials to read if
you can't bother to post whatever it is you are saying here.

I gave you the direct link. And I did state what what I am saying. Bye.

I don't see a link in the requote.



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+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"

skipfromla wrote:

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:06:55 -0700, "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )"
wrote:



skipfromla wrote:

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:52:48 -0600, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS wrote:

I never heard of it, but they ought to be. They're on the road too and
if drunk, pose a menace to others though not as big as if driving an SUV.

In California the DUI sections of the Vehicle Code refer to, "driving
a vehicle." A vehicle in California is anything that is not on rails
(trains, etc.) and not directly human powered, such as bicycles
because of the pedal, chain, gear arrangement.

Animals are not directly powered by humans so horses, donkeys, cows,
etc., and can be considered vehicles for the purposes of the DUI
section if being ridden. I recall a arrest for DUI on an saddled
ostrich about 30 years ago.

Skateboards and roller skates are examples of things that are not
vehicles because they are directly powered by humans.

Arrests for DUI on bicycles and animals happen occasionally but are
usually filed as disturbing the peace or cruelty to animals. One of
the problems with prosecution for DUI charges is that the chemical
tests admonishment for a blood alcohol test refers losing a drivers
license if it is refused. The suspect won't be losing a drivers
license because he wasn't driving something that requires one. Since
the DUI on a suspect won't be losing his non existent ostrich or
bicycle license if a blood alcohol test if refused, there is no way to
legally compel a DUI on a bike or horse to take such a test.

During trials for non motor vehicle DUI cases "Consiousness of Guilt"
is brought up to cover the refusal and lack of a blood alcohol test.
You wouldn't think so but juries convict DUIs on non motor vehicles
more often than not.

So when they say that you refused to submit to the blood or breath test
due to your supposed "Consciousness of Guilt" while riding an ostrich
drunk, you should say that you didn't refuse the test for any such
reason but rather because you are of a libertarian mindset and always
refuse to do what members of government demand especially when riding an
ostrich drunk?

If I were to do that to the poor ostrich, I'd have more to fear from
PETA than the entire fed gov.

But let's say that PETA isn't there. How should you answer the officer
when you are riding an ostrich around drunk?

I thought of another argument. When you are riding an ostrich around
sober, do you have any more control of the ostrich than when you are
riding the ostrich around drunk? If no, how can you be considered the
"driver" of the ostrich? Isn't that the essence of the legal meaning of
"DUI"? People who are drunk as passengers in cars aren't cited for drunk
driving, are they?

--
"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."

+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"

In article ,
Red wrote:
In article ,
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:

I never heard of it, but they ought to be. They're on the road too and
if drunk, pose a menace to others though not as big as if driving an SUV.

Hey loony toon, should drunk pedestrians get their drivers license taken
away too and get a dUI? They could seriously injure a baby sitting all
alone on the sidewalk

Drunk pedestrians sometimes get arrested for public intoxication. There's no
legal way home from the bar aside from as a passenger in someone
else's private vehicle.
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There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

On Sep 4, 10:26 am, (Matthew T. Russotto)
wrote:
In article ,

Red wrote:
In article ,
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:

I never heard of it, but they ought to be. They're on the road too and
if drunk, pose a menace to others though not as big as if driving an SUV.

Hey loony toon, should drunk pedestrians get their drivers license taken
away too and get a dUI? They could seriously injure a baby sitting all
alone on the sidewalk

Drunk pedestrians sometimes get arrested for public intoxication. There's no
legal way home from the bar aside from as a passenger in someone
else's private vehicle.
--

It's not legal to be drunk in a bar - that's public intoxication.
Don't laugh, a couple of years ago some jurisdiction in Virginia IIRC
was sending officers in to bars to make arrests on public
intoxication.


Bo Raxo

On Sep 4, 3:23 pm, Bo Raxo wrote:
On Sep 4, 10:26 am, (Matthew T. Russotto)
wrote:





In article ,

Red wrote:
In article ,
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:

I never heard of it, but they ought to be. They're on the road too and
if drunk, pose a menace to others though not as big as if driving an SUV.

Hey loony toon, should drunk pedestrians get their drivers license taken
away too and get a dUI? They could seriously injure a baby sitting all
alone on the sidewalk

Drunk pedestrians sometimes get arrested for public intoxication. There's no
legal way home from the bar aside from as a passenger in someone
else's private vehicle.
--

It's not legal to be drunk in a bar - that's public intoxication.
Don't laugh, a couple of years ago some jurisdiction in Virginia IIRC
was sending officers in to bars to make arrests on public
intoxication.


Fairfax County. what's worse was that they were using the legal BAC
limit for driving to determine who was "publicly intoxicated," not
outward signs of impairment/belligerence/whatever.

I don't live in Fairfax County, but close enough to it. I have to
admit that I'm a little annoyed with the local authorities; between
the DUI checkpoints (everywhere; they have them in VA and DC both and
I believe MD as well although I haven't been caught in any there) and
crap like this I'm far more likely to be affected by the efforts to
crack down on DUI/public drunkenness than I am to be bothered by an
honest-to-god drunk. They keep running these radio ads about
"Checkpoint Strike Force" and it just makes me want to punch my radio.

nate

In article .com,
Bo Raxo wrote:
On Sep 4, 10:26 am, (Matthew T. Russotto)
wrote:

It's not legal to be drunk in a bar - that's public intoxication.
Don't laugh, a couple of years ago some jurisdiction in Virginia IIRC
was sending officers in to bars to make arrests on public
intoxication.

Far as I know, only Texas and Virginia have tried to pull that ****.
But public intoxication statutes and drunken-operator statutes which
cover all ways home from a bar (aside from as a passenger in private
transportation) are quite common.

--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.