Training for a hilly race

On Feb 3, 4:10*pm, Scott wrote:

I know from my experience that when I do SE work on my indoor trainer
I do significantly higher wattages at lower heart rates than when
doing a more traditional interval at higher cadences. *There is no way
to maintain the wattages I do at 55-60 rpm for 20 to 25 minutes at a
time for more than about 5 minutes if I ramp up the cadence to over
75.

Which begs the question: are the improvements you reportedly
experience as a result of training at an abnormally low cadence, or
simply as a result of training at a higher power? (*Especially* since
you appear to do these efforts predominantly, if not exclusively, on
an indoor trainer.)

Andy Coggan

"Rick" wrote in message
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Because the effects can be anything but undetectable. A recent study
showed that donating a pint of blood reduces the average male's oxygen
capacity by 10%, which will then return over the next 20-50 days.
Adding a pint of your own blood results in an immedicate 10% gain in
oxygen carrying capacity.

Ahem, you COULD reduce your capacity by 10% by taking out a pint. Adding a
pint won't give you anywhere near as much unless you're WAY DOWN on
hemoglobin.

On Feb 3, 3:02*pm, Bret wrote:
On Feb 3, 2:54*pm, Scott wrote:





On Feb 3, 11:34*am, Bret wrote:

On Feb 3, 9:54*am, " wrote:

On Feb 3, 11:24*am, Bret wrote:

If I were in that regrettable situation, I would be doing intervals
back and forth over a freeway overpass. I would also check around for
a tall parking garage.

you can ride up the side of a parking garage? *Impressive! *In what
gear?

You misunderstood. I would be looking for a place to park my bike
while I did stair climbing intervals with a heavy backpack.

Too funny.

But seriously, in a former life I spent a TON of time walking very
long distances over undulating terrain with a very heavy backpack. *I
can't even begin to compile a legitimate total mileage figure, but
suffice it to say it was a lot and I don't care to ever take up hiking
for recreation.

Anyway, I can tell you without question that the only thing it trained
me to do was to be able to walk long distances over undulating terrain
with a lot of weight on my back. *No transfer to any other physical
activity whatsoever. *Oh, I guess there was one other benefit. *I
learned alot about how to just keep trudging along no matter how badly
things sucked.

To bring this discussion full circle, I remember now reading that AH
used to hike with a heavy pack in the winter. Maybe that's the real
reason he won over the Gavia. That and dressing sensibly.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah, yes, the clothing, the clothing Bobke delivered to him part way up
the climb.

On Feb 3, 3:15*pm, Andy Coggan wrote:
On Feb 3, 4:10*pm, Scott wrote:

I know from my experience that when I do SE work on my indoor trainer
I do significantly higher wattages at lower heart rates than when
doing a more traditional interval at higher cadences. *There is no way
to maintain the wattages I do at 55-60 rpm for 20 to 25 minutes at a
time for more than about 5 minutes if I ramp up the cadence to over
75.

Which begs the question: are the improvements you reportedly
experience as a result of training at an abnormally low cadence, or
simply as a result of training at a higher power? (*Especially* since
you appear to do these efforts predominantly, if not exclusively, on
an indoor trainer.)

Andy Coggan

Who knows? Who cares?

I'm not interesting in picking the fly **** out of the pepper, so I
don't have to know exactly why or how it works. I just know (okay:
believe) it works, so I incorporate SE intervals into my training.

Andy Coggan wrote:
On Feb 3, 4:10 pm, Scott wrote:
I know from my experience that when I do SE work on my indoor trainer
I do significantly higher wattages at lower heart rates than when
doing a more traditional interval at higher cadences. There is no way
to maintain the wattages I do at 55-60 rpm for 20 to 25 minutes at a
time for more than about 5 minutes if I ramp up the cadence to over
75.

Which begs the question: are the improvements you reportedly
experience as a result of training at an abnormally low cadence, or
simply as a result of training at a higher power?

Did you mean: raises the question?

"Susan Walker" wrote in message
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Andy Coggan wrote:

Which begs the question: are the improvements you reportedly
experience as a result of training at an abnormally low cadence, or
simply as a result of training at a higher power?

Did you mean: raises the question?

Yes, that's what that phrase implies/means

"Scott" wrote in message
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Ah, yes, the clothing, the clothing Bobke delivered to him part way up
the climb.

Let's remember that perhaps because of that effort, Bobke was one of the few
finishers that day.

Bret wrote:
You misunderstood. I would be looking for a place to park my bike
while I did stair climbing intervals with a heavy backpack.


Starbucks. Sausalito. This Friday. Bring your heavy backpack and your 53x11
and we're gonna ride up Mt. Tam

On Feb 3, 4:37*pm, "marco" wrote:
Bret wrote:
You misunderstood. I would be looking for a place to park my bike
while I did stair climbing intervals with a heavy backpack.

Starbucks. Sausalito. This Friday. Bring your heavy backpack and your 53x11
and we're gonna ride up Mt. Tam

I'll be there. I'm going to inflate my tires with water.

marco wrote:
Starbucks. Sausalito. This Friday.

This the one? http://www.xs4all.nl/~ewoud/cycling/..._starbucks.jpg