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For those unaware of it, the Waterford appears to be owned by the Schwinn family and they also produce the stock bikes "Gunnar" as well as the fully custom Waterford. The Waterford R33 (full racing model) that I looked at weighed very close to a light carbon fiber bike. Virtually any model of bike you would like from racing, sport, touring, gravel etc. can be obtained from Waterford all custom built to your own body measurements.
I think that what I will do is sell the Treks and the Colnago and buy an R33. A local shop has the Waterford fitting machine. Since Shimano has been losing a lot of business to SRAM because wireless is so much easier to install than the wired Di2, I think that 2021 will see a 12 speed wireless Di2. I don't like all of those speeds but I do like the idea of wireless with hydraulic flat mount disks. Get a good set of wheels and they will last forever. While you can get a steel fork on the R33, if you want internal hydraulic lines, Richard Schwinn recommended an Enve fork to me. What this means to me is that maybe I should consider the latest Trek Madone as well since it would no doubt be totally reliable for the rest of what little life I have left. And they have a lifetime warranty and a construction method that doesn't have a catastrophic failure mode. |
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On 1/14/2021 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
For those unaware of it, the Waterford appears to be owned by the Schwinn family and they also produce the stock bikes "Gunnar" as well as the fully custom Waterford. The Waterford R33 (full racing model) that I looked at weighed very close to a light carbon fiber bike. Virtually any model of bike you would like from racing, sport, touring, gravel etc. can be obtained from Waterford all custom built to your own body measurements. I think that what I will do is sell the Treks and the Colnago and buy an R33. A local shop has the Waterford fitting machine. Since Shimano has been losing a lot of business to SRAM because wireless is so much easier to install than the wired Di2, I think that 2021 will see a 12 speed wireless Di2. I don't like all of those speeds but I do like the idea of wireless with hydraulic flat mount disks. Get a good set of wheels and they will last forever. While you can get a steel fork on the R33, if you want internal hydraulic lines, Richard Schwinn recommended an Enve fork to me. What this means to me is that maybe I should consider the latest Trek Madone as well since it would no doubt be totally reliable for the rest of what little life I have left. And they have a lifetime warranty and a construction method that doesn't have a catastrophic failure mode. Richard Schwinn is among the principals at Waterford Precision. But just like the Bulgers of Massachusetts, that is not to say anything at all about his many and varied relatives. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 9:29:43 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/14/2021 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: For those unaware of it, the Waterford appears to be owned by the Schwinn family and they also produce the stock bikes "Gunnar" as well as the fully custom Waterford. The Waterford R33 (full racing model) that I looked at weighed very close to a light carbon fiber bike. Virtually any model of bike you would like from racing, sport, touring, gravel etc. can be obtained from Waterford all custom built to your own body measurements. I think that what I will do is sell the Treks and the Colnago and buy an R33. A local shop has the Waterford fitting machine. Since Shimano has been losing a lot of business to SRAM because wireless is so much easier to install than the wired Di2, I think that 2021 will see a 12 speed wireless Di2. I don't like all of those speeds but I do like the idea of wireless with hydraulic flat mount disks. Get a good set of wheels and they will last forever. While you can get a steel fork on the R33, if you want internal hydraulic lines, Richard Schwinn recommended an Enve fork to me. What this means to me is that maybe I should consider the latest Trek Madone as well since it would no doubt be totally reliable for the rest of what little life I have left. And they have a lifetime warranty and a construction method that doesn't have a catastrophic failure mode. Richard Schwinn is among the principals at Waterford Precision. But just like the Bulgers of Massachusetts, that is not to say anything at all about his many and varied relatives. Schwinn tried to market some really top flight steel bikes in the PDG Paramount group but I think that happened to be at the time when bicycling was not very popular and it couldn't support itself. |
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On 1/14/2021 12:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 9:29:43 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 1/14/2021 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: For those unaware of it, the Waterford appears to be owned by the Schwinn family and they also produce the stock bikes "Gunnar" as well as the fully custom Waterford. The Waterford R33 (full racing model) that I looked at weighed very close to a light carbon fiber bike. Virtually any model of bike you would like from racing, sport, touring, gravel etc. can be obtained from Waterford all custom built to your own body measurements. I think that what I will do is sell the Treks and the Colnago and buy an R33. A local shop has the Waterford fitting machine. Since Shimano has been losing a lot of business to SRAM because wireless is so much easier to install than the wired Di2, I think that 2021 will see a 12 speed wireless Di2. I don't like all of those speeds but I do like the idea of wireless with hydraulic flat mount disks. Get a good set of wheels and they will last forever. While you can get a steel fork on the R33, if you want internal hydraulic lines, Richard Schwinn recommended an Enve fork to me. What this means to me is that maybe I should consider the latest Trek Madone as well since it would no doubt be totally reliable for the rest of what little life I have left. And they have a lifetime warranty and a construction method that doesn't have a catastrophic failure mode. Richard Schwinn is among the principals at Waterford Precision. But just like the Bulgers of Massachusetts, that is not to say anything at all about his many and varied relatives. Schwinn tried to market some really top flight steel bikes in the PDG Paramount group but I think that happened to be at the time when bicycling was not very popular and it couldn't support itself. That was Richard's brother who is absolutely not pert o Waterford Pre4cison Cycles. He's found work better suited to his skills: https://www.chicagobusiness.com/arti...edward-schwinn -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 5:04:29 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
For those unaware of it, the Waterford appears to be owned by the Schwinn family and they also produce the stock bikes "Gunnar" as well as the fully custom Waterford. The Waterford R33 (full racing model) that I looked at weighed very close to a light carbon fiber bike. Virtually any model of bike you would like from racing, sport, touring, gravel etc. can be obtained from Waterford all custom built to your own body measurements. I think that what I will do is sell the Treks and the Colnago and buy an R33. A local shop has the Waterford fitting machine. Since Shimano has been losing a lot of business to SRAM because wireless is so much easier to install than the wired Di2, I think that 2021 will see a 12 speed wireless Di2.. I don't like all of those speeds but I do like the idea of wireless with hydraulic flat mount disks. Get a good set of wheels and they will last forever. While you can get a steel fork on the R33, if you want internal hydraulic lines, Richard Schwinn recommended an Enve fork to me. What this means to me is that maybe I should consider the latest Trek Madone as well since it would no doubt be totally reliable for the rest of what little life I have left. And they have a lifetime warranty and a construction method that doesn't have a catastrophic failure mode. We are looking forward to that 'project'. Lou |
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On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:18:40 -0600,
AMuzi wrote: On 1/14/2021 12:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 9:29:43 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 1/14/2021 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: For those unaware of it, the Waterford appears to be owned by the Schwinn family and they also produce the stock bikes "Gunnar" as well as the fully custom Waterford. The Waterford R33 (full racing model) that I looked at weighed very close to a light carbon fiber bike. Virtually any model of bike you would like from racing, sport, touring, gravel etc. can be obtained from Waterford all custom built to your own body measurements. I think that what I will do is sell the Treks and the Colnago and buy an R33. A local shop has the Waterford fitting machine. Since Shimano has been losing a lot of business to SRAM because wireless is so much easier to install than the wired Di2, I think that 2021 will see a 12 speed wireless Di2. I don't like all of those speeds but I do like the idea of wireless with hydraulic flat mount disks. Get a good set of wheels and they will last forever. While you can get a steel fork on the R33, if you want internal hydraulic lines, Richard Schwinn recommended an Enve fork to me. What this means to me is that maybe I should consider the latest Trek Madone as well since it would no doubt be totally reliable for the rest of what little life I have left. And they have a lifetime warranty and a construction method that doesn't have a catastrophic failure mode. Richard Schwinn is among the principals at Waterford Precision. But just like the Bulgers of Massachusetts, that is not to say anything at all about his many and varied relatives. Schwinn tried to market some really top flight steel bikes in the PDG Paramount group but I think that happened to be at the time when bicycling was not very popular and it couldn't support itself. That was Richard's brother who is absolutely not pert o Waterford Pre4cison Cycles. I've been told Waterford was somewhat of a continuance of the Paramount lineage, but perhaps that was not correct. In 1997 I bought a nice Waterford and rode it for many years. It was a very nice bike, but nearly killed me with a bad case of shimmy coming down Fremont Pass one year on RtR. When they built the frame, I had them shorten the stock top tube dimension by a cm, and have always wondered of that was a factor. Seems unlikely, but who knows. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA |
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On 1/14/2021 3:26 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:18:40 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 1/14/2021 12:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 9:29:43 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 1/14/2021 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: For those unaware of it, the Waterford appears to be owned by the Schwinn family and they also produce the stock bikes "Gunnar" as well as the fully custom Waterford. The Waterford R33 (full racing model) that I looked at weighed very close to a light carbon fiber bike. Virtually any model of bike you would like from racing, sport, touring, gravel etc. can be obtained from Waterford all custom built to your own body measurements. I think that what I will do is sell the Treks and the Colnago and buy an R33. A local shop has the Waterford fitting machine. Since Shimano has been losing a lot of business to SRAM because wireless is so much easier to install than the wired Di2, I think that 2021 will see a 12 speed wireless Di2. I don't like all of those speeds but I do like the idea of wireless with hydraulic flat mount disks. Get a good set of wheels and they will last forever. While you can get a steel fork on the R33, if you want internal hydraulic lines, Richard Schwinn recommended an Enve fork to me. What this means to me is that maybe I should consider the latest Trek Madone as well since it would no doubt be totally reliable for the rest of what little life I have left. And they have a lifetime warranty and a construction method that doesn't have a catastrophic failure mode. Richard Schwinn is among the principals at Waterford Precision. But just like the Bulgers of Massachusetts, that is not to say anything at all about his many and varied relatives. Schwinn tried to market some really top flight steel bikes in the PDG Paramount group but I think that happened to be at the time when bicycling was not very popular and it couldn't support itself. That was Richard's brother who is absolutely not pert o Waterford Pre4cison Cycles. I've been told Waterford was somewhat of a continuance of the Paramount lineage, but perhaps that was not correct. In 1997 I bought a nice Waterford and rode it for many years. It was a very nice bike, but nearly killed me with a bad case of shimmy coming down Fremont Pass one year on RtR. When they built the frame, I had them shorten the stock top tube dimension by a cm, and have always wondered of that was a factor. Seems unlikely, but who knows. It's an harmonic phenomenon which, as Jobst noted often, can occur when frame is straight and headset is adjusted properly. See his notes at #8 H5 he http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part4/ -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 1/14/2021 5:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/14/2021 3:26 PM, Ted Heise wrote: On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:18:40 -0600, Â*Â* AMuzi wrote: Â* On 1/14/2021 12:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 9:29:43 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 1/14/2021 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: For those unaware of it, the Waterford appears to be owned by the Schwinn family and they also produce the stock bikes "Gunnar" as well as the fully custom Waterford. The Waterford R33 (full racing model) that I looked at weighed very close to a light carbon fiber bike. Virtually any model of bike you would like from racing, sport, touring, gravel etc. can be obtained from Waterford all custom built to your own body measurements. I think that what I will do is sell the Treks and the Colnago and buy an R33. A local shop has the Waterford fitting machine. Since Shimano has been losing a lot of business to SRAM because wireless is so much easier to install than the wired Di2, I think that 2021 will see a 12 speed wireless Di2. I don't like all of those speeds but I do like the idea of wireless with hydraulic flat mount disks. Get a good set of wheels and they will last forever. While you can get a steel fork on the R33, if you want internal hydraulic lines, Richard Schwinn recommended an Enve fork to me. What this means to me is that maybe I should consider the latest Trek Madone as well since it would no doubt be totally reliable for the rest of what little life I have left. And they have a lifetime warranty and a construction method that doesn't have a catastrophic failure mode. Richard Schwinn is among the principals at Waterford Precision. But just like the Bulgers of Massachusetts, that is not to say anything at all about his many and varied relatives. Schwinn tried to market some really top flight steel bikes in the PDG Paramount group but I think that happened to be at the time when bicycling was not very popular and it couldn't support itself. Â* That was Richard's brother who is absolutely not pert o Â* Waterford Pre4cison Cycles. I've been told Waterford was somewhat of a continuance of the Paramount lineage, but perhaps that was not correct. In 1997 I bought a nice Waterford and rode it for many years.Â* It was a very nice bike, but nearly killed me with a bad case of shimmy coming down Fremont Pass one year on RtR.Â* When they built the frame, I had them shorten the stock top tube dimension by a cm, and have always wondered of that was a factor.Â* Seems unlikely, but who knows. It's an harmonic phenomenon which, as Jobst noted often, can occur when frame is straight and headset is adjusted properly. See his notes at #8 H5 he http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part4/ I was going to say that a shorter top tube should reduce the tendency to shimmy, other things being equal. Less length = more stiffness, so a higher natural frequency. Then I saw that Jobst implied the same thing on that site: "The longer the frame and the higher the saddle, the greater the tendency to shimmy, other things being equal." Jan Heine claims roller bearing headsets reduce shimmy. I can't say if that's true. I have a roller bearing headset only on my Cannondale touring bike, but that bike is so rigid that shimmy is probably impossible. Except, that is, one time I had a heavy and loose load in a very flexible handlebar bag. The bag shimmied and took the bike with it. My current bag is very rigid and probably adds enough inertia to the steering to lessen any shimmy tendencies even further. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 9:26:07 PM UTC, Ted Heise wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 12:18:40 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 1/14/2021 12:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 9:29:43 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 1/14/2021 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: For those unaware of it, the Waterford appears to be owned by the Schwinn family and they also produce the stock bikes "Gunnar" as well as the fully custom Waterford. The Waterford R33 (full racing model) that I looked at weighed very close to a light carbon fiber bike. Virtually any model of bike you would like from racing, sport, touring, gravel etc. can be obtained from Waterford all custom built to your own body measurements. I think that what I will do is sell the Treks and the Colnago and buy an R33. A local shop has the Waterford fitting machine. Since Shimano has been losing a lot of business to SRAM because wireless is so much easier to install than the wired Di2, I think that 2021 will see a 12 speed wireless Di2. I don't like all of those speeds but I do like the idea of wireless with hydraulic flat mount disks. Get a good set of wheels and they will last forever. While you can get a steel fork on the R33, if you want internal hydraulic lines, Richard Schwinn recommended an Enve fork to me. What this means to me is that maybe I should consider the latest Trek Madone as well since it would no doubt be totally reliable for the rest of what little life I have left. And they have a lifetime warranty and a construction method that doesn't have a catastrophic failure mode. Richard Schwinn is among the principals at Waterford Precision. But just like the Bulgers of Massachusetts, that is not to say anything at all about his many and varied relatives. Schwinn tried to market some really top flight steel bikes in the PDG Paramount group but I think that happened to be at the time when bicycling was not very popular and it couldn't support itself. That was Richard's brother who is absolutely not pert o Waterford Pre4cison Cycles. I've been told Waterford was somewhat of a continuance of the Paramount lineage, but perhaps that was not correct. In 1997 I bought a nice Waterford and rode it for many years. It was a very nice bike, but nearly killed me with a bad case of shimmy coming down Fremont Pass one year on RtR. When they built the frame, I had them shorten the stock top tube dimension by a cm, and have always wondered of that was a factor. Seems unlikely, but who knows. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA I really wouldn't want to speculate on the causes of shimmy or for that matter to have my livelihood depend on tracking it down. I have in mind that when (by extension from Chalo recommending Utopia-velo's Kranich to me) I was shopping the the German baukasten to see what was available, I came across a case of shimmy down an Alpine mountain (!) in the other German top-dog, Patria. It was apparently caused by fitting Big Apples and did them a lot of commercial harm before it was rectified. Now, despite what you may have heard about the hemi-heads I developed when I was an auto racer, my specialty was actually suspensions, but for the life of me I could not see precisely how a Big Apple -- a truly superior tyre -- could cause a shimmy on a straight, long wheelbase bike with plenty of its own damping (as possessed by every proper touring bike not designed by some idiot burdened with a roadie legacy). "Who knows?" Indeed. .. Andre Jute PS I was about to say that Jobst Brandt mentioned the possibility of an harmonic progression punishing a designer who had done nothing wrong, when my eye fell on Andrew Muzi' s note to that effect, complete with specific reference. I would add that I enjoyed my time designing ultra-fidelity loudspeaker enclosures quite as much as working on suspensions, and for the same reason, that beyond the tricky non-linearics lies art. |
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On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 10:18:54 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/14/2021 12:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 9:29:43 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote: On 1/14/2021 10:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: For those unaware of it, the Waterford appears to be owned by the Schwinn family and they also produce the stock bikes "Gunnar" as well as the fully custom Waterford. The Waterford R33 (full racing model) that I looked at weighed very close to a light carbon fiber bike. Virtually any model of bike you would like from racing, sport, touring, gravel etc. can be obtained from Waterford all custom built to your own body measurements. I think that what I will do is sell the Treks and the Colnago and buy an R33. A local shop has the Waterford fitting machine. Since Shimano has been losing a lot of business to SRAM because wireless is so much easier to install than the wired Di2, I think that 2021 will see a 12 speed wireless Di2. I don't like all of those speeds but I do like the idea of wireless with hydraulic flat mount disks. Get a good set of wheels and they will last forever. While you can get a steel fork on the R33, if you want internal hydraulic lines, Richard Schwinn recommended an Enve fork to me. What this means to me is that maybe I should consider the latest Trek Madone as well since it would no doubt be totally reliable for the rest of what little life I have left. And they have a lifetime warranty and a construction method that doesn't have a catastrophic failure mode. Richard Schwinn is among the principals at Waterford Precision. But just like the Bulgers of Massachusetts, that is not to say anything at all about his many and varied relatives. Schwinn tried to market some really top flight steel bikes in the PDG Paramount group but I think that happened to be at the time when bicycling was not very popular and it couldn't support itself. That was Richard's brother who is absolutely not pert o Waterford Pre4cison Cycles. He's found work better suited to his skills: https://www.chicagobusiness.com/arti...edward-schwinn Somehow you always have access to things that I get blocked out of. |
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