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Insight into the phases of the Internet forum life cycle: a perspective
"JimmyMac" wrote in message
... On Jul 29, 5:57 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Usenet is for fun and games only. Even Tom Sherman has come to that conclusion. Putting word in Tom's mouth now are you? Not only do you not know how to play the game of Usenet, but you also do not know how to read. Tom Sherman has not posted anything of substance for years. His middle name is now frivolity. Note how I do not spend much time on him anymore. That is because we are both just a couple of clowns. Yea, I have reduced him to his proper level. His days of pontificating on these newsgroups is long gone. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Insight into the phases of the Internet forum life cycle: a perspective
"JimmyMac" wrote in message
... On Jul 29, 6:14 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] You want friendly personal relationships even in cyber space. No, but on topic civility is not to much to ask. It is too much to ask which is why you are never going to get it. Usenet without moderators is strictly for clowns. I know that, you don't. It is why you are always making a fool of yourself with your seriousness. I only pretend to be serious. I am always and forever mocking since that is what anyone dumb enough to post to Usenet deserves. Ed Gin should have taught you something, but there are none so pigheaded as will not learn from experience. I owe everything I am today on Usenet to Tom Sherman, my teacher and mentor. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Insight into the phases of the Internet forum life cycle: a perspective
On Aug 2, 1:34*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message ... On Jul 29, 5:33 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] I can see you are well underway to becoming a crackpot on food and health issues. This is a fate that often befalls those who for the first time in their lives feel threatened by their own mortality. Have fun! It might make a difference on the margin, but I doubt it. You are blind to research concerning food and health because you are too lazy to take the time to become informed and enlightened ...ever the the choice of the ignorant. I once did what you are presently doing and came to the conclusion that it was all crackpotism. One of two things is apparent. Either you didn't do your research properly or you drew the wrong conclusions. Have a look at this link from John Hopkins and see what is said abour consumption of dairy meat and how it affects genes that trigger of hasten exiting prostate cancer.... http://urology.jhu.edu/newsletter/prostate_cancer67.php John Hopkins is considered the best hospital in this country if not the worlds and wrote the book on Urology. Patrick C. Walsh, M.D. I one of the formemost prostate cancer experts and surgeons. I dare say that they more about all this than you do. You will come to that conclusion too when nothing you do seems to help. Take your meds and forget all that food and health crap.. See what I wrote in ARBR in this regard entitle Ed Dolan loves the FDA. The bottom line is that no one will listen to you because you lack the necessary credentials. If you ever start proselytizing, you could become dangerous and a menace to others. Well NO ... the bottom line is that people are more likely to listen to someone like myself who cites others with credentials than to listen to someone like yourself who is devoid of credentials and who refuses to avail himself *published research states opinion not based on fact without any attempt to corroborate his errant statements. Proselytizing I will leave to you. *That's your thing, not mine. You would need an advanced degree in the subjects and be affiliated with a prestigious institution of higher learning. You would also have to have the respect of your peers in the subjects involved. Barring any of the above, you are hopelessly at sea. On needs none of this to avail oneself of the information that is readily availabe for those with an open mind and eagerness to learn. That leaves you out. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Insight into the phases of the Internet forum life cycle: a perspective
On Aug 2, 1:55*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message ... On Jul 29, 5:46 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Lots of other factors contribute to poor health besides what foods we eat. Attempted diversion duly noted. Yes, other factors also contribute to poor health but that does not contradict the point that my statement made ... that the food that we eat contributes to good or bad health and when bad, inflates health care costs, *I might add that your beloved governmental powers that be, including your beloved FDA do not ensure the safety of the food that you consume. *Allow me to just touch briefly on just *chickens and eggs for example... Blah, blah, blah ... [...] My blah, blah, blah tha you deleted has been reinserted... Four studies implementing a plant-based diet and exercise following prostate cancer diagnosis found a decrease in prostate cancer progression rates. Drugs are given to chickens to combat parasites that thrive in factory farming conditions. Chemicals linked to cancer and birth defects have been found in eggs and chicken portions. The chemical residue from drugs given to chickens are regarded as too dangerous for use in human medicine. Sloppy farming methods and inadequate checks by government officials had allowed them to get into the food chain. The drugs include nicarbazin, known to cause birth defects and hormonal problems in animals, and lasalocid, linked to heart problems. A third drug, dimetridazole (DMZ), has never been properly evaluated, but there are concerns it can cause birth defects and cancer. Some of the drugs are also said to interfere with the working of prescription medicines. The Government insisted there was no risk. Close to 20 per cent of chicken livers and 10 per cent of the eggs checked in government tests contained residues of the drugs. That amounts to 160 million affected chickens sold in the last 12 months and 985 million eggs. Nicarbazin has been found above recommended levels in 18 per cent of chicken livers. In one sample, the level was 50 times higher. Nicarbazin was also in 2 per cent of eggs. Lasalocid is not licensed for laying hens, however it was found in 8.5 per cent of sampled egg batches and 12 per cent of chicken muscle samples. DMZ was in 0.5 per cent of eggs despite the fact it is not allowed in feed given to laying hens. As concerns your often cited assertion that one should eat a variety of food in moderation, I have contended that some food should not be consumed even in moderation and especially foods know to be particularly harmful to person with certain afflictions. In one study, approximately 1300 men diagnosed with prostate cancer were followed for two years to document their dietary patterns and recurrence or progression of their disease. In this study, two specific animal foods were found to be risky - the men that ate the most eggs or poultry with skin were twice as likely to have their disease recur or progress. This study makes three important points. 1. Diet DOES MATTER (Despite your claim to the contrary), even after a prostate cancer diagnosis 2. There is something in chicken, specifically in the crispy outer portion and skin that is powerfully cancer-inducing. Heterocyclic amines, carcinogenic compounds that are formed when meat is cooked at high temperatures, are a probable culprit. A November 2009 study of 175,000 men showed an increase in prostate cancer risk with consumption of barbequed and grilled meat. 3. Consumption of eggs and egg whites is not without risk. Eggs are high in animal protein, which has been linked to cancers. Our populations’ idea that more protein is favorable and that egg (whites) are the perfect food does not hold up to scrutiny. Eggs also could affect prostate cancer due to their high choline content – egg consumption increases the amount of choline in the plasma, and high plasma choline increases prostate cancer risk. I never ate any chicken or eggs hardly in my life and yet I got prostate cancer. As to how much it will effect progression and/or recurrence of the disease, hard to say ... isn't it? If I liked chicken or eggs I would eat them and say to hell with the cancer. Another major contributor is dair and red meat. Se this link previous mentione in another psst... http://urology.jhu.edu/newsletter/prostate_cancer67.php A primary care doctor will determine what is routine and what is not routine, not the patient. WRONG again! *A patient needs to assume a role in his or her health care. *A PSA test is considered fairly routine In the US and certain other Western countries *In the UK, neither the patient nor the doctor determine what is "routine". *The socialized medicine bureaucracy makes that determination *Do you every take the time and/or make the effort to familiarize yourself with the facts before seizing the opportunity to run your mouth and embarrass yourself in a public forum? *Stating something as fact when such statement contradicts the fact is ludicrous, but you do so like play the role of clown. The primary care doctor will follow whatever the medical bureaucracy has determined to be routine. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever. Your problem is that you assume that you know more than everyone else based on a few months reading of questionable literature. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Also, a little learning is a dangerous thing. Or did I already say that once or twice before. You problem is that you assume that you know more than everyone else period and that is why you delete whole section of what I have posted with a gratuitous blah blah, blah and label experts who know more that you as having authored questionable literature. It must be such a burden being a myopic visionary and the self-appointed Oracle Worthington. A little learning is a dangerous thing and that is precisely why you shouldn't have called an end to what is a lifelong process. On thing is for certain. Your arrogance is legendary. But the problem is that even garden variety health care is expensive. It need not be as is proven by the VA health care system. The VA health care system is a government run taxpayer subsidized heath care system. *It may appear inexpensive to you the veteran, but in reality it is not. It was also paid for by my years serving in the military at slave wages. Even so, it is relatively inexpensive compared to all other systems of health care delivery. Years??? You weren't in the military long enough to foot the bill for the benefits you received and you very well know that, so who do you think you're fooling? Yourself perhaps, but certainly not me. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Insight into the phases of the Internet forum life cycle: a perspective
On Aug 2, 2:04*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message ... On Jul 29, 5:57 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Usenet is for fun and games only. Even Tom Sherman has come to that conclusion. Putting word in Tom's mouth now are you? Not only do you not know how to play the game of Usenet, but you also do not know how to read. Tom Sherman has not posted anything of substance for years. His middle name is now frivolity. Note how I do not spend much time on him anymore. That is because we are both just a couple of clowns. Yea, I have reduced him to his proper level. His days of pontificating on these newsgroups is long gone. You never have nor never will comprehend the purpose of the Usenet newsgroup. Usenet is not about playing games. Trolls like yourself make a game of Usenet and are despised for doing so. Clown? Well yeah. I'l agree with you there. You are a clown and Usenet is you cyber-circus. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Insight into the phases of the Internet forum life cycle: a perspective
On Aug 2, 2:16*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message ... On Jul 29, 6:14 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] You want friendly personal relationships even in cyber space. No, but on topic civility is not to much to ask. It is too much to ask which is why you are never going to get it. Usenet without moderators is strictly for clowns. Trolls who are clown you mean. Lac of a moderator merely provides opportunity that the troll (clown) exploits. The American Psychiatric Association considers the internet troll to be a form of mental illness ... a personality disorder. Is there anything good about that? Trolls are often socially disenfranchised, devoid of interpersonal skills. Trolls generally have no substantive connection to the cyber- community that they troll and view the internet as a convenient, delocalized communication conduit for their bizarre anti-social behavior. The internet is their cyber-playpen. Trolls post attention- seeking, provocative messages hoping to bait and entice other users into angry and/or fruitless responses. A troll is an abusive user who delights in upsetting others and creating discord in an online community ... someone who purposefully posts messages deliberately crafted to annoy antagonize, and infuriate ... messages that are off- topic, inflammatory, or even controversial, rude, offensive, or divisive with every intent to disrupt normal discussion or provoke a desired emotional response. Trolls are utterly immune to criticism and logical arguments. Trolls cannot be negotiated with or reasoned with. One cannot cause a troll to feel shame, compassion or remorse. When one attempts to reason with a troll, the troll wins. When one insults a troll, the troll wins. Trolls are generally sociopathic and, do not feel encumbered or constrained by rules of etiquette, common courtesy or social boundaries. Trolls consider themselves above social constraints and responsibilities. Trolls view the Internet as a mirror into which they can gaze in narcissistic rapture. Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the troll an illusion of power. Trolls often style themselves as gadflies, challenging and subverting the dominant discourse and assumptions of the forum they are trolling. Trolls crave attention, and it matters not whether it is positive or negative. For trolls, any response is "recognition" since it serves as a means to garner a twisted sense of self-importance, itself a satisfying emotional reward for the troll. Trolls are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration and their ego grows in proportion to the number of accumulated response, regardless of form or content. Trolls dispute this, claiming that it's just fun, a game, or a joke, but this merely confirms diagnosis. Trolls live lonely, cowardly lives behind the anonymity of a keyboard, desperately engaged a mind-numbing, time- wasting, trivial hobby that is their source of amusement. I know that, you don't. It is why you are always making a fool of yourself with your seriousness. I only pretend to be serious. I am always and forever mocking since that is what anyone dumb enough to post to Usenet deserves. I refer you to what I said immediately above. You are such a fool that you don't even recognize how foolish you are. Ed Gin should have taught you something, but there are none so pigheaded as will not learn from experience. I owe everything I am today on Usenet to Tom Sherman, my teacher and mentor. Still hung up on Ed Gin I see ... a pity really.. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Insight into the phases of the Internet forum life cycle: a perspective
"JimmyMac" wrote in message
... On Aug 2, 1:34 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] You would need an advanced degree in the subjects and be affiliated with a prestigious institution of higher learning. You would also have to have the respect of your peers in the subjects involved. Barring any of the above, you are hopelessly at sea. On needs none of this to avail oneself of the information that is readily availabe for those with an open mind and eagerness to learn. That leaves you out. Scientific knowledge is available to doctors. It is their business to know it and to keep up to date on whatever pertains to their specialties. Damned if I am going to do their work for them. I've got more important things to do ... like listening to the music of Beethoven for instance. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Insight into the phases of the Internet forum life cycle: a perspective
"JimmyMac" wrote in message
... On Aug 2, 1:55 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] The primary care doctor will follow whatever the medical bureaucracy has determined to be routine. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever. Your problem is that you assume that you know more than everyone else based on a few months reading of questionable literature. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Also, a little learning is a dangerous thing. Or did I already say that once or twice before. You problem is that you assume that you know more than everyone else period and that is why you delete whole section of what I have posted with a gratuitous blah blah, blah and label experts who know more that you as having authored questionable literature. It must be such a burden being a myopic visionary and the self-appointed Oracle Worthington. A little learning is a dangerous thing and that is precisely why you shouldn't have called an end to what is a lifelong process. On thing is for certain. Your arrogance is legendary. I am assuming it is none of my business to bother with what doctors know or don't know. That is their business. If I had wanted to be a doctor, I would have. Frankly, the bodies of all animals (including my own) disgust me. I am thankful that I had the good sense to stay the hell away from medicine. [...] But the problem is that even garden variety health care is expensive. It need not be as is proven by the VA health care system. The VA health care system is a government run taxpayer subsidized heath care system. It may appear inexpensive to you the veteran, but in reality it is not. It was also paid for by my years serving in the military at slave wages. Even so, it is relatively inexpensive compared to all other systems of health care delivery. Years??? You weren't in the military long enough to foot the bill for the benefits you received and you very well know that, so who do you think you're fooling? Yourself perhaps, but certainly not me. Nope, it was an earned benefit that was made by mutual agreement at the time of my enlistment. Duration of service has nothing to do with it. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Insight into the phases of the Internet forum life cycle: a perspective
"JimmyMac" wrote in message
... On Aug 2, 2:04 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Not only do you not know how to play the game of Usenet, but you also do not know how to read. Tom Sherman has not posted anything of substance for years. His middle name is now frivolity. Note how I do not spend much time on him anymore. That is because we are both just a couple of clowns. Yea, I have reduced him to his proper level. His days of pontificating on these newsgroups is long gone. You never have nor never will comprehend the purpose of the Usenet newsgroup. Usenet is not about playing games. Trolls like yourself make a game of Usenet and are despised for doing so. Clown? Well yeah. I'l agree with you there. You are a clown and Usenet is you cyber-circus. You are the only serious person left on Usenet as far as I can tell. It is why you come across as such a fool. Far better to be a clown like Tom Sherman and me. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Insight into the phases of the Internet forum life cycle: a perspective
"JimmyMac" wrote in message
... On Aug 2, 2:16 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] It is too much to ask which is why you are never going to get it. Usenet without moderators is strictly for clowns. Trolls who are clown you mean. Lac of a moderator merely provides opportunity that the troll (clown) exploits. The American Psychiatric Association considers the internet troll to be a form of mental illness ... a personality disorder. Is there anything good about that? When in Rome, do as the Romans do. The only one who is acting out of the mainstream is yourself. Tom Sherman is the expert on Usenet, not you. You proved your lack of perspicacity via the Ed Gin episode on ARBR some years back. You are stuck in a time warp. Usenet may have been worth something when it was new, but it is now old and it is worthless. I suspect Facebook and the other social websites are more your speed. [...] Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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