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"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Mr. Ed wrote:


"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Over your head, Mr. Ed! [Zing]

It was most likely way under my head, Mr. Tom! [Plop]

Plop like this [1], Mr. Ed?

[1] http://www.wrightguide.com/media/IM000942.JPG.


Tom, where do you find these damn pictures?

I Goggled for "Edward Dolan Worthington Minnesota".

The key to any Internet search is know what search parameters to use. I
am usually successful at finding old Usenet posts if I can remember a
couple of words or names from the post that are not commonly found
together in a post.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

"Mark Leuck" wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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As always its merely a question of time, innovation and money,
I've
been
hearing this "we're running out of oil" garbage for 30+ years now

But still Mother Nature is not making any more of it

Really? Since when?

Mother Nature is making it all the time, oil isn't just old dinosaurs
rotting away




http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/sec...Occurrence.asp

http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/documents/newoil.html


Well, Hells Bells! If it is not known for sure what is the origin of
oil,
then all bets are off. I learned in college geology that oil was the
result
of rotting vegetation and other organic matter from previous geological
eras
that had become compressed over eons of time. Not much of that going on
today, is there? But if oil comes from deep within the mantel of the
earth
and is inorganic ... ?

Oil IS rotting vegetation and animal matter however since thats been
around
for eons I'm pretty sure we can find more of it

Like I said, wait another 20 years and see what happens, history so far
has
been on my side of this

Mark, you are obviously some kind of expert on oil, so I am going to defer
to your expertise. The article you referred me to seemed to be saying that
oil came from primordial geological processes that had nothing to do with
organic matter (other than being contaminated by it) but was a constituent
in the formation of the planet earth itself. If that is true, then it
changes everything we know about the origin of oil. I will have to stay
tuned.

Much of what we learned in college 50 years ago was wrong, but science is
self-correcting - so I never loose faith in science to come up with the
right answers - eventually.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Child" wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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I don't know if we have time for more than one. I am no spring
chicken.
And we can't afford for me to stay home, but we can afford to have
mike
to
stay home. so that answers that dillemma.

My parents did not get married until your age (36) because the Great
Depression prevented it (nobody had any money). My mother had three
children
and so can you if that is what you want. You have lots of time and you
will
be a good parent because you have acquired maturity as had my mother.
That
makes all the difference. Your children will be lucky to have mature
parents.

I agree about maturity being a good thing for parenting - i would have
made
a horrible parent at 20. Although some of my late parent friends are the
most overindulgent parents ever - rearing some spoiled brats from hell. I
will not raise a brat

It is almost impossible to over indulge a child, provided that you love the
child and the child knows that he is loved. That makes all the difference.
Did you know that are some cultures where the parents never discipline the
child (certain Indian tribes and I believe the Eskimos). Of course there is
never any separation of the child from the parents which might have a lot to
do with it.


All you ever really had was a prolonged adolescence. Time to grow up
now
and
be an adult.


I love my prolonged adolescence - i have been very lucky to have such
a
great, responsibility free time until now.

Think of it as a separate life. Now you are entering another 2nd life,
and
if you are lucky and live a long time you will eventually enter a 3rd
life.
You would not want to continue any longer with your carefree life.
Having
cares will connect you with all of humanity.

Being carefree has its high points, Eddie!

Only when you are young. As you grow older, being carefree pales and
eventually palls.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Child wrote:

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Mr. Ed wrote:


"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Over your head, Mr. Ed! [Zing]

It was most likely way under my head, Mr. Tom! [Plop]

Plop like this [1], Mr. Ed?

[1] http://www.wrightguide.com/media/IM000942.JPG.


Tom, where do you find these damn pictures?

I Goggled for "Edward Dolan Worthington Minnesota".

The key to any Internet search is know what search parameters to use. I
am usually successful at finding old Usenet posts if I can remember a
couple of words or names from the post that are not commonly found
together in a post.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

Like I have said many times before, Mr. Sherman would have made an excellent
reference librarian.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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Like I said, wait another 20 years and see what happens, history so far
has
been on my side of this

Mark, you are obviously some kind of expert on oil, so I am going to defer
to your expertise.

I am by no means an expert at all, I just know a little history and how the
market usually works

"Edward Dolan" wrote:
"Child" wrote:
"Edward Dolan" wrote:
My parents did not get married until your age (36) because the Great
Depression prevented it (nobody had any money). My mother had three children
and so can you if that is what you want. You have lots of time and you will
be a good parent because you have acquired maturity as had my mother. That
makes all the difference. Your children will be lucky to have mature
parents.

I agree about maturity being a good thing for parenting - i would have made
a horrible parent at 20. Although some of my late parent friends are the
most overindulgent parents ever - rearing some spoiled brats from hell. I
will not raise a brat

It is almost impossible to over indulge a child, provided that you love the

I *totally* agree with that statement.

child and the child knows that he is loved. That makes all the difference.
Did you know that are some cultures where the parents never discipline the
child (certain Indian tribes and I believe the Eskimos). Of course there is
never any separation of the child from the parents which might have a lot to
do with it.

But it is not true that children are never disciplined; rather
there is *never* a reason to use physical violence.

The point being made, in reference to Indian and Eskimo child
rearing, is correct though and just misstated. I think this is a
*very* important subject, which all parents should hopefully be
taught.

Indian and Eskimo children are taught to respect themselves and
others in a way that is far more effective than using physical
discipline. Peer pressure, which in American society is often a
negative influence, is used to provide positive guidance. And
while this is not a case of there never being separation between
the parent and child, it is the same mechanism on a much grander
scale: no separation from a large extended family that equates
to the entire community.

Basically, if you live in a small village and you are related to
most of the people to some degree, it just simply makes life
*much* easier if you are a good kid than if you are not!
Everyone knows everything you've done, and they tell you about
it! Every old man knows every child by name, and knows what
they've been doing lately. Obviously if a child gets positive
feedback from every direction, it has a fantastic effect.

Rather than celebrate events like birthdays, they celebrate
milestones of accomplishment on an individual basis instead of
in groups. When a child first accomplishes some specific thing,
everyone makes a big deal out of it. Hence when a boy catches
his first fish, or later his first seal, it is cause for
something similar to a "birthday party".

But there are some methods which are very different too, and
very interesting. When a child is born they are said to take
the place of a recent elder who has passed on. Western observers
typically misunderstood this, and recorded that they believed in
reincarnation. It's not.

What is passed from the elder to the child is *respect*. That
child becomes the object of the memories of love and respect
that were previously directed at the elder. That allows memory
of the elder to live on in everyone's memory, because they daily
refer to the child by the same names, and remind the child of
exactly that relationship. The child of course is taught to
live up to that respect, because the child *is* that elder in
the memories of everyone. Actually, there might be several
relationships of that type developed during the formative years,
and as a child most individuals have several "names", all of
which refer to a relationship with someone else. Occasionally
one of these names sticks, and is used throughout a person's
life.

It is a wonderful mechanism that creates very responsible
children. One of the side effects, for example, is that sibling
rivalry which results in fighting between children non-existent.
Instead children learn to enjoy sharing, and develop a family
bond that is really hard to describe to anyone who's never seen
it.

One example shows up in something which relates to the subject
of this thread. It can best be seen at the World Indian Eskimo
Olympics, though it shows up in just about any competition among
Native peoples. Serious competitors do everything they can to
*help* everyone do their best. Who is the best coach for any
given event? The current first place competitor is the one who
will be seen coaching the next challenger!

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Being carefree has its high points, Eddie!

Only when you are young. As you grow older, being carefree pales and
eventually palls.

Life is a circle. Eventually being carefree is what makes old
age fun, and keeps life worth living even in the face of an end.

--
FloydL. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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the same could be said for all christians - religious jews are
responsible
for there being any christians in the world today!

When the French are no longer Christian, there will still be a France and
the French (if they are not overwhelmed by the Muslims). Christianity is
not
necessary for the French to survive because they forged a nation long ago.
However, that is not true of the Jew until recently when they forged the
nation of Israel. The Jew has survived down through the ages without a
nation precisely because of their strong religion. Without their very
peculiar religion (monotheism) the Jews would have passed into history
long
ago.

the secular jews were instrumental in the forming of israel. we obviously
believe its necessary too, although sometimes i am not so sure.


The Jews are the most remarkable people in the history of the world. They
have survived down through the ages when all other ancient peoples have
perished or been absorbed by other peoples and lost to history. And it was
all due to their remarkable religion and to their being the people of the
Book. Without those two vital elements, they would have gone the way of
the
ancient Philistines.


It has to do with the values that jews have, as part of their religion, I
think.



All well and good. But you will never be able to abandon your religion. It
would be suicidal to do so. There is a strong tribal element to being a
Jew,
but the religion is the key to it all.


Its inter-related - the religion and the heritage. They aren't entirely
seperatable.




Those shared values and the history of oppression will fade - as they
already have for most American Jews. Abandon your religion at your peril.
The orthodox Jew will save Judaism.

I don't think thats so - the numbers of orthodox jews are small and our
numbers are huge.


Intermarriage is the beginning of the end for the Jew as it is for the
Catholic. The religion will eventually be lost and so will the
identification of being Jewish as intermarriage continues generation after
generation. It will be an uphill struggle to maintain your identification
as
a Jew. Eventually, you or your children will be absorbed into the gentile
world. It was ever thus.


Not my children, I hope. They will be raised to embrace their culture.

"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" wrote:
"Child" wrote:
"Edward Dolan" wrote:
My parents did not get married until your age (36) because the Great
Depression prevented it (nobody had any money). My mother had three
children
and so can you if that is what you want. You have lots of time and
you will
be a good parent because you have acquired maturity as had my mother.
That
makes all the difference. Your children will be lucky to have mature
parents.

I agree about maturity being a good thing for parenting - i would have
made
a horrible parent at 20. Although some of my late parent friends are
the
most overindulgent parents ever - rearing some spoiled brats from hell.
I
will not raise a brat

It is almost impossible to over indulge a child, provided that you love
the

I *totally* agree with that statement.

child and the child knows that he is loved. That makes all the
difference.
Did you know that are some cultures where the parents never discipline
the
child (certain Indian tribes and I believe the Eskimos). Of course there
is
never any separation of the child from the parents which might have a lot
to
do with it.

But it is not true that children are never disciplined; rather
there is *never* a reason to use physical violence.

Now, that is a concept i can agree with, Floyd! (how are you floyd!?)

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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"Child" wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
news

I don't know if we have time for more than one. I am no spring
chicken.
And we can't afford for me to stay home, but we can afford to have
mike
to
stay home. so that answers that dillemma.

My parents did not get married until your age (36) because the Great
Depression prevented it (nobody had any money). My mother had three
children
and so can you if that is what you want. You have lots of time and you
will
be a good parent because you have acquired maturity as had my mother.
That
makes all the difference. Your children will be lucky to have mature
parents.

I agree about maturity being a good thing for parenting - i would have
made
a horrible parent at 20. Although some of my late parent friends are
the
most overindulgent parents ever - rearing some spoiled brats from hell.
I
will not raise a brat

It is almost impossible to over indulge a child, provided that you love
the
child and the child knows that he is loved. That makes all the difference.
Did you know that are some cultures where the parents never discipline the
child (certain Indian tribes and I believe the Eskimos). Of course there
is
never any separation of the child from the parents which might have a lot
to
do with it.

These people allow their children to be rude to them and rude to other
people. One child hits her mother on a regular basis without correction.
And the kid is a good kid, she just doesn't know that its not ok to hit her
mother. She does know its not ok to hit me because she tried it once and I
said that it hurt my feelings and she never did it again. She is a good kid.


Only when you are young. As you grow older, being carefree pales and
eventually palls.


I hope that after the kids are grown i get to be carefree again.

"Child" wrote:

But it is not true that children are never disciplined; rather
there is *never* a reason to use physical violence.

Now, that is a concept i can agree with, Floyd! (how are you floyd!?)

Hi there!

I also agree that while there are advantages to having kids at
20, it sure doesn't make for doing the best job of parenting you
could ever manage! I was a *much* better parent in my 30's, but
the kids were also teenagers by then too. Of course that's what
makes grandparents so cool to have around. They *know* how to
spoil a kid properly!

And kids should be spoiled. The more, the better...

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FloydL. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)