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Police kill cyclist
"Andy Howes" wrote in message ...
It's a wonder nobody has suggested that the cyclist had no lights ?? Just to throw something else into the works !! It is impossible to come to a conclusion unless you were a witness or you visited the scene and noted things just as the police accident investigator would have done. This would include damage to the vehicle and the cycle, the positions of the vehicles on the road and any skid marks left, not to mention where debris might have ended up. It's all very high tec this accident investigation and speeds can be calculated from marks left in the carriageway. Yeah, and when did the police last do any "high tec" investigation into the death of a cyclist? Since "didn't see him" is treated as a valid excuse rather than admission of guilt, the fine details hardly matter. I suggest everyone 'watch this space' instead of accumulating a load of wild guesses. My "wild guess" is bland exoneration and shrugged shoulders all round. But I'd love to be proved wrong. James |
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:35:08 GMT, Simon Brooke wrote:
in message 7tlucc.887.ln@ahahahooey, Trevor Barton ') wrote: However, common usage of the word accident doesn't imply guilt on any party, and although you might justifiably argue that most road accidents are not accidents, your posting seemed to assume that the car drivers were responsible in your opinion. This is both unfair and unjustified given the information you have. In most car/bike impacts the car driver is indeed primarily at fault. Whether it is reasonable to induce the fact that the police driver was at fault in this in this incident is another matter. I know that's often assumed here, and indeed I think it's probably true too, but is it backed up by anything more substantial? Certainly, the bike rider comes off worst always, or at least it'd be hard to imagine an accident where that wasn't the case. Does that lead to a perception that the car driver is usually primarilly at fault, rather than a fact? For example, anecdotally in this group we tend to hear a lot of stories about some ******* driver nearly killing one of us, and far less about one of us nearly causing an accident. That might be (a) because drivers cause more cycle/vehicle accidents than cyclists, (b) because few people like to own up to their own stupidity, or (c) there are more cars than bikes, so statistically there is more likely to be fault on the car driver's side over the entire population of accidents. I dunno if (c) makes (statistical) sense? -- Trevor Barton |
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Police kill cyclist
On 13 Jul 2004 23:11:01 -0700, James Annan wrote:
"Andy Howes" wrote in message ... It's a wonder nobody has suggested that the cyclist had no lights ?? Just to throw something else into the works !! It is impossible to come to a conclusion unless you were a witness or you visited the scene and noted things just as the police accident investigator would have done. This would include damage to the vehicle and the cycle, the positions of the vehicles on the road and any skid marks left, not to mention where debris might have ended up. It's all very high tec this accident investigation and speeds can be calculated from marks left in the carriageway. Yeah, and when did the police last do any "high tec" investigation into the death of a cyclist? Since "didn't see him" is treated as a valid excuse rather than admission of guilt, the fine details hardly matter. Your confusing the police with the courts. The police always do a "high tec" investigation into any road death, the courts just ignore the evidence and decide that not being about to drive the kids to school is too much of a hardship. Steve |
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