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Common Cause - Just zis Website
Now that we're all playing nicely...
I was having a look around (Just zis) Guy's website when I read this: "I do not know whether the experi[e]ments where all road markings and signage were removed as a traffic calming measure were influenced by Adams, but it seems to me a good example of how you would apply this model - by interfering with the perceptual filters (white paint and road signs) we force the driver to make his own judgements." http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/...k?OpenDocument Now this is, I think, one of the mechanisms by which removing speed limits improved safety in Montana and one of the reasons I believe we should abolish extra-urban speed limits here. Should we "force the driver to make his own judgements"? A -- Trade Oil in € |
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Alistair J Murray wrote:
Now that we're all playing nicely... I was having a look around (Just zis) Guy's website when I read this: "I do not know whether the experi[e]ments where all road markings and signage were removed as a traffic calming measure were influenced by Adams, but it seems to me a good example of how you would apply this model - by interfering with the perceptual filters (white paint and road signs) we force the driver to make his own judgements." http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/...k?OpenDocument Now this is, I think, one of the mechanisms by which removing speed limits improved safety in Montana and one of the reasons I believe we should abolish extra-urban speed limits here. Should we "force the driver to make his own judgements"? Yes, far to many people are either unwilling or incapable of thinking. We all need to be forced to use our brains. |
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Alistair J Murray wrote:
Now this is, I think, one of the mechanisms by which removing speed limits improved safety in Montana and one of the reasons I believe we should abolish extra-urban speed limits here. Should we "force the driver to make his own judgements"? depends. Did they have that certain breed of BMW driver in Montana? |
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Alistair J Murray wrote:
Now this is, I think, one of the mechanisms by which removing speed limits improved safety in Montana ..... Coupled with the fact that all the ones without brains to engage quickly removed themselves from the gene pool ;-) -- Tony "A facility for quotation covers the absence of original thought" Lord Peter Wimsey (Dorothy L. Sayers) |
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Tony Raven wrote:
Alistair J Murray wrote: Now this is, I think, one of the mechanisms by which removing speed limits improved safety in Montana ..... Coupled with the fact that all the ones without brains to engage quickly removed themselves from the gene pool ;-) That would have been my suspicion too. Montana experienced an immediate and ongoing reduction in accident and casualty rates. No nutter clearing period of carnage, just improved safety. A -- Trade Oil in € |
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Brimstone wrote:
Alistair J Murray wrote: [...] Should we "force the driver to make his own judgements"? Yes, far to many people are either unwilling or incapable of thinking. We all need to be forced to use our brains. Ho yuss... *Far* too much "common sense" going down. A -- Trade Oil in € |
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Phil Clarke wrote:
Alistair J Murray wrote: Now this is, I think, one of the mechanisms by which removing speed limits improved safety in Montana and one of the reasons I believe we should abolish extra-urban speed limits here. Should we "force the driver to make his own judgements"? depends. Did they have that certain breed of BMW driver in Montana? Dunno... I used to drive a BMW but it had a girly 250km/h limiter so now I drive an ALPINA. I'm not a speedophile by either my own definition nor Guy's because; by Guy's: I do argue for the abolition of speed limits. By mine: I watch the road not the speedo I confess that my main motivation in campaigning for the removal of speed limits is not to improve safety. I would rather have unlimited M-ways even if it meant German levels of casualty. A -- Trade Oil in € |
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 19:09:17 +0100, Alistair J Murray
wrote in message : Now this is, I think, one of the mechanisms by which removing speed limits improved safety in Montana and one of the reasons I believe we should abolish extra-urban speed limits here. You have to be very careful how you measure safety. A town can appear much safer because the roaming gangs have frightened all their potential victims away... But I am coming round to the view that less is more in traffic management, and I would not be averse to trying this, provided that all the other clutter designed to make it safe to go faster (e.g. white lines at the margins, deviation markers, warning signs with acres of yellow Diamond Grade behind them and so on) were removed at the same time. And of course provided that the penalty for driving like a dickhead is made significant. Guy -- http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk "To every complex problem there is a solution which is simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 May 2005 19:09:17 +0100, Alistair J Murray wrote in message : ...provided that all the other clutter designed to make it appear safe to go faster... I corrected your ommision :-) |
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2005 19:09:17 +0100, Alistair J Murray wrote in message : Now this is, I think, one of the mechanisms by which removing speed limits improved safety in Montana and one of the reasons I believe we should abolish extra-urban speed limits here. You have to be very careful how you measure safety. A town can appear much safer because the roaming gangs have frightened all their potential victims away... But I am coming round to the view that less is more in traffic management, and I would not be averse to trying this, provided that all the other clutter designed to make it safe to go faster (e.g. white lines at the margins, deviation markers, warning signs with acres of yellow Diamond Grade behind them and so on) were removed at the same time. And of course provided that the penalty for driving like a dickhead is made significant. I have to disagree. However if you were to insert "very" between "made" and "significant". I might be persuaded. However, if you were to suggest that driving like a dickhead be made a very serious offence and that upon commision (with low levels of proof) be made jailable you'de have my support all the way. |
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