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On Dec 10, 12:15*am, Carl Sundquist
The post you replied to said, "Oh, engineers will always want to talk about it anyway, but more in terms of the nifty tool they used or how they made a tweak that improved the design. *Cycling is geek heaven." That's not lust. dumbass, the word "lust" doesn't really convey what i mean. this article captures full on 100% unironic fredliness : http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=6180 |
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On Dec 10, 12:33*am, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com
Remember when there was an Amit post you would pay close attention because it had something intelligent to say dumbass, i've never had anything intelligent to say. |
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On Dec 9, 8:07*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message I have to agree with Amit. It tends to be the newbies/Freds who obsess about equipment. Obviously you don't understand that the "best" stuff is only good for a year or so now. There are exceptions to the rule, but after awhile most racers figure out that with the exception of time trialing, it's all about the skill/ fitness, not equipment. Most of us buy good equipment because we think it is good equipment. Having it come apart after 12 months is sort of disillusioning. Koney Island Cyclone, Light, strong, cheap. Pick any two. You have a garage full of bikes. What was wrong with the old wheels or the old pedals? If your old hub craps out, what's wrong with another plain old Shimano Ultegra hub? Those use loose ball bearings, so you can stop fretting about undersized this and that. Many equipment failures are due to operator error. Some are actual bad design (in which case they happen to lots of people) or manufacturing. And some are the result of people taking lightweight performance gear that's intended to last six months of road riding under a 120 pound Anorexic Drew Carey with a professional mechanic, and riding it for years over potholes under fat asses without maintaining it or checking for problems. There are a couple of kinds of wannabe-ism, one is like that guy on pezcycling who did the ridiculous rice-rocket custom bike paint job that Amit posted, and the other is sunday riders and Masters Fatties trying to buy speed. If you do this, there is no free lunch, you have to accept the lower reliability. Ben I have a titanium front skewer and it irritates me every time I look at it. |
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On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:32:21 -0600, Carl Sundquist
wrote: Tom Kunich wrote: "Carl Sundquist" wrote in message news ![]() Who knows how many other riders would like to make tweaks to their equipment, but know that they just have to ride what the team gives them? Carl, let's remember that most riders aren't capable of making intelligent decisions so it is probably best that they don't have a say in equipment. Both Shaun Wallace, who admittedly has an engineering degree, and Harvey Nitz have built their own carbon frames (and that was roughly 15 years ago). Nitz helped Serotta design the headset used on the '84 pursuit bikes. These guys are not like bimbo singer/actor/actresses who claim to design signature fragrances or clothes. Nitz was always tweaking his bikes. Some riders have valuable, thoughtful suggestions and innovations and sometimes (like you suggest) they simply have too much free time on their hands. Greg LeMond (with aero bars) and Bernard Hinault (with pedals), while not capable of making their own stuff, were clearly "into" the technology. |
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:40:49 -0800 (PST), Amit Ghosh
wrote: On Dec 9, 8:46*pm, Bill C *The other side of that is unless they are getting bikes from a sponsor, experienced racers, especially crit types, know they are going to wreck bikes and equipment and itr makes no sense to spend huge dollars out of their own pockets for unobtainium and super expensive carbon. Know at least one who has a couple of top end Colnagos they ride to train and for fun, but wouldn't risk racing in a million years. *Bill C dumbass, a few weeks ago i saw a segment on Top Gear about amateur (auto) rallying in Finland. there the cars were all given a nominal value (like $2000) and if anyone wanted to buy your car you had to sell it to them. it meant that people didn't go nuts on hardware and the emphasis stayed on skill. bike racing should have a similar rule Yeah. One easy way for bike racing to stay more reasonable in pricing would be to require rims be made of metal and not more than 2cm deep or something. |
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:02:27 -0800 (PST), Amit Ghosh
wrote: On Dec 9, 10:32*pm, Carl Sundquist Nitz helped Serotta design the headset used on the '84 pursuit bikes. These guys are not like bimbo singer/actor/actresses who claim to design signature fragrances or clothes. Nitz was always tweaking his bikes. Some riders have valuable, thoughtful suggestions and innovations and sometimes (like you suggest) they simply have too much free time on their hands. Other riders are happy riding whatever they have. dumbass, i already said it. racers are going to always look for more performance, but freds are te ones who will succumb to "bike lust". there's a difference. Yeah, that's the right distinction. |
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:09:49 -0800 (PST), Amit Ghosh
wrote: the word "lust" doesn't really convey what i mean. this article captures full on 100% unironic fredliness : http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=3Dfullstory&id=3D6180 "Server object error 'ASP 0228 : 80004005' Server.Execute Error /Default.asp, line 700 The call to Server.Execute failed while loading the page." I'll try it later. |
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:26:47 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: Koney Island Cyclone, But the Wonder Wheel is here to stay http://www.wonderwheel.com/cycling/index.html |
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On Dec 10, 6:16*am, John Forrest Tomlinson
Yeah. One easy way for bike racing to stay more reasonable in pricing would be to require rims be made of metal and not more than 2cm deep or something. dumbasses howard and JT , i think the rules make it so that the sport is fair already. there's nothing wrong with people that want to spend $10,000 on a bike or discuss the merits of different spoke counts all day, but it's a hobby which has nothing to do with bike racing. it's just a distraction, but most racers don't realize until they've been racing for 5 yrs or so. |
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:09:49 -0800 (PST), Amit Ghosh wrote: http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=3Dfullstory&id=3D6180 "Server object error 'ASP 0228 : 80004005' Lost in translation: those "3D"-s got into it somewhere between Google Groups and Agent. Try http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=6180 |
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