AP on demise of an elite police unit in Portland, Oregon.

On 3/11/2021 1:34 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:49:03 AM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 6:38 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 2:18:17 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 4:08 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:50:21 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 12:35 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
Lefties have no loyalty, but I'm not surprised Jay wants to make a runner for some place better run than Portland:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...force-n2585894

Portland had as many murders in 2020 as the entire country of Ireland will have in over thirty years. Portland in three years and a bit will have as many did of gunshot and explosive wounds as Northern Ireland had in thirty years of terrorist violence and reprisals. That's a pretty elevated level of violence in Portland, which Jay has held up to us as "mostly peaceful".

If my country were as "peaceful" as the city of Portland, the police commissioner would long since have kissed his job goodbye, and the government would have fallen to a no-confidence vote after about three months.

Andre Jute
Just being reasonable

Ireland has half the population of Chicago GMA (more than
City of Chicago but not that much more). Portland GMA is
about 1/2 of Ireland.
.
Okay, like for like. On a base of 100K of the population, how many would be murdered in Ireland and in Portland?
.
In Ireland per 100K population, 0.87 would be murdered (1918). https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...-homicide-rate
.
In Portland per 100K population, 4 would be murdered. Portland is safer than only 2 percent of US cities.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/or...me#description
.
The usual googlebugs can bus us more up to date numbers.
.
Not attacking or defending anyone here but those things
matter. Density probably as well.
.
Density for sure. You'd be amazed how fast rats turn viciously paranoid if they're crowded.

Personally, I think the number of firearms in circulation matters as well, but we can argue that case another day. Right now I'm arguing Donkey Party incompetence and irresponsibility.
.
Andre Jute
It's a slam-dunk case.

You could argue it, but to be fair you'd need a
not-dixiecrat-controlled major US city for comparison.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Historically, Tulsa and Oklahoma City had a violent crime rates nearly twice that of Portland. This is a bad year, obviously, and I haven't compared current statistics.

I have (counting) five shooting cases on my desk -- all since the pandemic, four in strip club parking lots. I represent an insurer that writes strip clubs. it used to be they just fought, but now its guns.

Like I said, this year is an outlier, and we've had Democrat-ish (its non-partisan) mayors for the last 40 years.

-- Jay Beattie.





That's a very tough situation for a business owner:
https://apnews.com/4c7a568bfa07c98b90c0292c7e592923
(just down the road from here)

Similarly, an immigrant of my acquaintance, with his
extended family, literally built a restaurant (brick; took
almost two years) and successful business. After 20 years
of paying taxes and employing people, the permits were
yanked after a couple of thugs shot up the parking lot after
hours one night.

I expect a strip club manager to keep the customers' hands
off the dancers but not to search every car coming into the
parking lot, frisk the people inside or interrogate them.
That's an unreasonable standard.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

That's like stoking vigilantism and then decrying it because the politicians don't have the balls to keep a proper police force recruited, staffed, supplied and motivated. What a shower of dialectical fools. -- AJ


A common aphorism here is, "When seconds matter, 911 is just
twenty minutes away."

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 11:35:02 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:49:03 AM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 6:38 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 2:18:17 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 4:08 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:50:21 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 12:35 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
Lefties have no loyalty, but I'm not surprised Jay wants to make a runner for some place better run than Portland:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...force-n2585894

Portland had as many murders in 2020 as the entire country of Ireland will have in over thirty years. Portland in three years and a bit will have as many did of gunshot and explosive wounds as Northern Ireland had in thirty years of terrorist violence and reprisals. That's a pretty elevated level of violence in Portland, which Jay has held up to us as "mostly peaceful".

If my country were as "peaceful" as the city of Portland, the police commissioner would long since have kissed his job goodbye, and the government would have fallen to a no-confidence vote after about three months.

Andre Jute
Just being reasonable

Ireland has half the population of Chicago GMA (more than
City of Chicago but not that much more). Portland GMA is
about 1/2 of Ireland.
.
Okay, like for like. On a base of 100K of the population, how many would be murdered in Ireland and in Portland?
.
In Ireland per 100K population, 0.87 would be murdered (1918). https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...-homicide-rate
.
In Portland per 100K population, 4 would be murdered. Portland is safer than only 2 percent of US cities.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/or...me#description
.
The usual googlebugs can bus us more up to date numbers.
.
Not attacking or defending anyone here but those things
matter. Density probably as well.
.
Density for sure. You'd be amazed how fast rats turn viciously paranoid if they're crowded.

Personally, I think the number of firearms in circulation matters as well, but we can argue that case another day. Right now I'm arguing Donkey Party incompetence and irresponsibility.
.
Andre Jute
It's a slam-dunk case.

You could argue it, but to be fair you'd need a
not-dixiecrat-controlled major US city for comparison.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Historically, Tulsa and Oklahoma City had a violent crime rates nearly twice that of Portland. This is a bad year, obviously, and I haven't compared current statistics.

I have (counting) five shooting cases on my desk -- all since the pandemic, four in strip club parking lots. I represent an insurer that writes strip clubs. it used to be they just fought, but now its guns.

Like I said, this year is an outlier, and we've had Democrat-ish (its non-partisan) mayors for the last 40 years.

-- Jay Beattie.





That's a very tough situation for a business owner:
https://apnews.com/4c7a568bfa07c98b90c0292c7e592923
(just down the road from here)

Similarly, an immigrant of my acquaintance, with his
extended family, literally built a restaurant (brick; took
almost two years) and successful business. After 20 years
of paying taxes and employing people, the permits were
yanked after a couple of thugs shot up the parking lot after
hours one night.

I expect a strip club manager to keep the customers' hands
off the dancers but not to search every car coming into the
parking lot, frisk the people inside or interrogate them.
That's an unreasonable standard.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
That's like stoking vigilantism and then decrying it because the politicians don't have the balls to keep a proper police force recruited, staffed, supplied and motivated. What a shower of dialectical fools. -- AJ

These strip club shootings are usually intimate affairs with no wind-up or little wind-up, and the reason for the shooting often is not obvious. Having a "proper police force" with balls (!) would do nothing more than speed apprehension of the shooter. It's not the Sharks and the Jets with Russ Tamblyn snapping his fingers and officer Krupke telling the boys to break it up. One shooting was inside a closed strip club with two young men doing maintenance and remodeling, and one shot the other. They were friends.

Increased police presence may prevent certain shootings, but not others. I've watched the video, and it is often a WTF moment where you cannot tell why on earth one guy is shooting the other guy. In one case in particular, a group of guys in a parking lot all look like friends -- and then shots. There is a usually a back-story.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 3/11/2021 10:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 11:35:02 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:49:03 AM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 6:38 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 2:18:17 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 4:08 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:50:21 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 12:35 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
Lefties have no loyalty, but I'm not surprised Jay wants to make a runner for some place better run than Portland:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...force-n2585894

Portland had as many murders in 2020 as the entire country of Ireland will have in over thirty years. Portland in three years and a bit will have as many did of gunshot and explosive wounds as Northern Ireland had in thirty years of terrorist violence and reprisals. That's a pretty elevated level of violence in Portland, which Jay has held up to us as "mostly peaceful".

If my country were as "peaceful" as the city of Portland, the police commissioner would long since have kissed his job goodbye, and the government would have fallen to a no-confidence vote after about three months.

Andre Jute
Just being reasonable

Ireland has half the population of Chicago GMA (more than
City of Chicago but not that much more). Portland GMA is
about 1/2 of Ireland.
.
Okay, like for like. On a base of 100K of the population, how many would be murdered in Ireland and in Portland?
.
In Ireland per 100K population, 0.87 would be murdered (1918). https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...-homicide-rate
.
In Portland per 100K population, 4 would be murdered. Portland is safer than only 2 percent of US cities.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/or...me#description
.
The usual googlebugs can bus us more up to date numbers.
.
Not attacking or defending anyone here but those things
matter. Density probably as well.
.
Density for sure. You'd be amazed how fast rats turn viciously paranoid if they're crowded.

Personally, I think the number of firearms in circulation matters as well, but we can argue that case another day. Right now I'm arguing Donkey Party incompetence and irresponsibility.
.
Andre Jute
It's a slam-dunk case.

You could argue it, but to be fair you'd need a
not-dixiecrat-controlled major US city for comparison.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Historically, Tulsa and Oklahoma City had a violent crime rates nearly twice that of Portland. This is a bad year, obviously, and I haven't compared current statistics.

I have (counting) five shooting cases on my desk -- all since the pandemic, four in strip club parking lots. I represent an insurer that writes strip clubs. it used to be they just fought, but now its guns.

Like I said, this year is an outlier, and we've had Democrat-ish (its non-partisan) mayors for the last 40 years.

-- Jay Beattie.





That's a very tough situation for a business owner:
https://apnews.com/4c7a568bfa07c98b90c0292c7e592923
(just down the road from here)

Similarly, an immigrant of my acquaintance, with his
extended family, literally built a restaurant (brick; took
almost two years) and successful business. After 20 years
of paying taxes and employing people, the permits were
yanked after a couple of thugs shot up the parking lot after
hours one night.

I expect a strip club manager to keep the customers' hands
off the dancers but not to search every car coming into the
parking lot, frisk the people inside or interrogate them.
That's an unreasonable standard.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
That's like stoking vigilantism and then decrying it because the politicians don't have the balls to keep a proper police force recruited, staffed, supplied and motivated. What a shower of dialectical fools. -- AJ

These strip club shootings are usually intimate affairs with no wind-up or little wind-up, and the reason for the shooting often is not obvious. Having a "proper police force" with balls (!) would do nothing more than speed apprehension of the shooter. It's not the Sharks and the Jets with Russ Tamblyn snapping his fingers and officer Krupke telling the boys to break it up. One shooting was inside a closed strip club with two young men doing maintenance and remodeling, and one shot the other. They were friends.

Increased police presence may prevent certain shootings, but not others. I've watched the video, and it is often a WTF moment where you cannot tell why on earth one guy is shooting the other guy. In one case in particular, a group of guys in a parking lot all look like friends -- and then shots. There is a usually a back-story.

Right. It used to be fists. Now it's guns.

So what we need is for more people to have guns?? Sheesh.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 7:53:22 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/11/2021 10:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 11:35:02 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:49:03 AM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 6:38 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 2:18:17 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 4:08 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:50:21 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 12:35 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
Lefties have no loyalty, but I'm not surprised Jay wants to make a runner for some place better run than Portland:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...force-n2585894

Portland had as many murders in 2020 as the entire country of Ireland will have in over thirty years. Portland in three years and a bit will have as many did of gunshot and explosive wounds as Northern Ireland had in thirty years of terrorist violence and reprisals. That's a pretty elevated level of violence in Portland, which Jay has held up to us as "mostly peaceful".

If my country were as "peaceful" as the city of Portland, the police commissioner would long since have kissed his job goodbye, and the government would have fallen to a no-confidence vote after about three months.

Andre Jute
Just being reasonable

Ireland has half the population of Chicago GMA (more than
City of Chicago but not that much more). Portland GMA is
about 1/2 of Ireland.
.
Okay, like for like. On a base of 100K of the population, how many would be murdered in Ireland and in Portland?
.
In Ireland per 100K population, 0.87 would be murdered (1918). https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...-homicide-rate
.
In Portland per 100K population, 4 would be murdered. Portland is safer than only 2 percent of US cities.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/or...me#description
.
The usual googlebugs can bus us more up to date numbers.
.
Not attacking or defending anyone here but those things
matter. Density probably as well.
.
Density for sure. You'd be amazed how fast rats turn viciously paranoid if they're crowded.

Personally, I think the number of firearms in circulation matters as well, but we can argue that case another day. Right now I'm arguing Donkey Party incompetence and irresponsibility.
.
Andre Jute
It's a slam-dunk case.

You could argue it, but to be fair you'd need a
not-dixiecrat-controlled major US city for comparison.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Historically, Tulsa and Oklahoma City had a violent crime rates nearly twice that of Portland. This is a bad year, obviously, and I haven't compared current statistics.

I have (counting) five shooting cases on my desk -- all since the pandemic, four in strip club parking lots. I represent an insurer that writes strip clubs. it used to be they just fought, but now its guns.

Like I said, this year is an outlier, and we've had Democrat-ish (its non-partisan) mayors for the last 40 years.

-- Jay Beattie.





That's a very tough situation for a business owner:
https://apnews.com/4c7a568bfa07c98b90c0292c7e592923
(just down the road from here)

Similarly, an immigrant of my acquaintance, with his
extended family, literally built a restaurant (brick; took
almost two years) and successful business. After 20 years
of paying taxes and employing people, the permits were
yanked after a couple of thugs shot up the parking lot after
hours one night.

I expect a strip club manager to keep the customers' hands
off the dancers but not to search every car coming into the
parking lot, frisk the people inside or interrogate them.
That's an unreasonable standard.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
That's like stoking vigilantism and then decrying it because the politicians don't have the balls to keep a proper police force recruited, staffed, supplied and motivated. What a shower of dialectical fools. -- AJ

These strip club shootings are usually intimate affairs with no wind-up or little wind-up, and the reason for the shooting often is not obvious. Having a "proper police force" with balls (!) would do nothing more than speed apprehension of the shooter. It's not the Sharks and the Jets with Russ Tamblyn snapping his fingers and officer Krupke telling the boys to break it up. One shooting was inside a closed strip club with two young men doing maintenance and remodeling, and one shot the other. They were friends.

Increased police presence may prevent certain shootings, but not others.. I've watched the video, and it is often a WTF moment where you cannot tell why on earth one guy is shooting the other guy. In one case in particular, a group of guys in a parking lot all look like friends -- and then shots. There is a usually a back-story.
Right. It used to be fists. Now it's guns.

So what we need is for more people to have guns?? Sheesh.

--
- Frank Krygowski
Well, as is usual, you're Franky-on-the-spot to tell others how they should live.

On 3/11/2021 11:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 7:53:22 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/11/2021 10:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 11:35:02 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:49:03 AM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 6:38 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 2:18:17 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 4:08 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:50:21 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 12:35 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
Lefties have no loyalty, but I'm not surprised Jay wants to make a runner for some place better run than Portland:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...force-n2585894

Portland had as many murders in 2020 as the entire country of Ireland will have in over thirty years. Portland in three years and a bit will have as many did of gunshot and explosive wounds as Northern Ireland had in thirty years of terrorist violence and reprisals. That's a pretty elevated level of violence in Portland, which Jay has held up to us as "mostly peaceful".

If my country were as "peaceful" as the city of Portland, the police commissioner would long since have kissed his job goodbye, and the government would have fallen to a no-confidence vote after about three months.

Andre Jute
Just being reasonable

Ireland has half the population of Chicago GMA (more than
City of Chicago but not that much more). Portland GMA is
about 1/2 of Ireland.
.
Okay, like for like. On a base of 100K of the population, how many would be murdered in Ireland and in Portland?
.
In Ireland per 100K population, 0.87 would be murdered (1918). https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...-homicide-rate
.
In Portland per 100K population, 4 would be murdered. Portland is safer than only 2 percent of US cities.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/or...me#description
.
The usual googlebugs can bus us more up to date numbers.
.
Not attacking or defending anyone here but those things
matter. Density probably as well.
.
Density for sure. You'd be amazed how fast rats turn viciously paranoid if they're crowded.

Personally, I think the number of firearms in circulation matters as well, but we can argue that case another day. Right now I'm arguing Donkey Party incompetence and irresponsibility.
.
Andre Jute
It's a slam-dunk case.

You could argue it, but to be fair you'd need a
not-dixiecrat-controlled major US city for comparison.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Historically, Tulsa and Oklahoma City had a violent crime rates nearly twice that of Portland. This is a bad year, obviously, and I haven't compared current statistics.

I have (counting) five shooting cases on my desk -- all since the pandemic, four in strip club parking lots. I represent an insurer that writes strip clubs. it used to be they just fought, but now its guns.

Like I said, this year is an outlier, and we've had Democrat-ish (its non-partisan) mayors for the last 40 years.

-- Jay Beattie.





That's a very tough situation for a business owner:
https://apnews.com/4c7a568bfa07c98b90c0292c7e592923
(just down the road from here)

Similarly, an immigrant of my acquaintance, with his
extended family, literally built a restaurant (brick; took
almost two years) and successful business. After 20 years
of paying taxes and employing people, the permits were
yanked after a couple of thugs shot up the parking lot after
hours one night.

I expect a strip club manager to keep the customers' hands
off the dancers but not to search every car coming into the
parking lot, frisk the people inside or interrogate them.
That's an unreasonable standard.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
That's like stoking vigilantism and then decrying it because the politicians don't have the balls to keep a proper police force recruited, staffed, supplied and motivated. What a shower of dialectical fools. -- AJ

These strip club shootings are usually intimate affairs with no wind-up or little wind-up, and the reason for the shooting often is not obvious. Having a "proper police force" with balls (!) would do nothing more than speed apprehension of the shooter. It's not the Sharks and the Jets with Russ Tamblyn snapping his fingers and officer Krupke telling the boys to break it up. One shooting was inside a closed strip club with two young men doing maintenance and remodeling, and one shot the other. They were friends.

Increased police presence may prevent certain shootings, but not others. I've watched the video, and it is often a WTF moment where you cannot tell why on earth one guy is shooting the other guy. In one case in particular, a group of guys in a parking lot all look like friends -- and then shots. There is a usually a back-story.
Right. It used to be fists. Now it's guns.

So what we need is for more people to have guns?? Sheesh.

--
- Frank Krygowski
Well, as is usual, you're Franky-on-the-spot to tell others how they should live.


So you're defending shooting someone who offends you in a strip club
parking lot?

Wow.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 9:43:51 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/11/2021 11:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 7:53:22 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/11/2021 10:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 11:35:02 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:49:03 AM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 6:38 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 2:18:17 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 4:08 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:50:21 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 12:35 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
Lefties have no loyalty, but I'm not surprised Jay wants to make a runner for some place better run than Portland:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...force-n2585894

Portland had as many murders in 2020 as the entire country of Ireland will have in over thirty years. Portland in three years and a bit will have as many did of gunshot and explosive wounds as Northern Ireland had in thirty years of terrorist violence and reprisals. That's a pretty elevated level of violence in Portland, which Jay has held up to us as "mostly peaceful".

If my country were as "peaceful" as the city of Portland, the police commissioner would long since have kissed his job goodbye, and the government would have fallen to a no-confidence vote after about three months.

Andre Jute
Just being reasonable

Ireland has half the population of Chicago GMA (more than
City of Chicago but not that much more). Portland GMA is
about 1/2 of Ireland.
.
Okay, like for like. On a base of 100K of the population, how many would be murdered in Ireland and in Portland?
.
In Ireland per 100K population, 0.87 would be murdered (1918). https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...-homicide-rate
.
In Portland per 100K population, 4 would be murdered. Portland is safer than only 2 percent of US cities.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/or...me#description
.
The usual googlebugs can bus us more up to date numbers.
.
Not attacking or defending anyone here but those things
matter. Density probably as well.
.
Density for sure. You'd be amazed how fast rats turn viciously paranoid if they're crowded.

Personally, I think the number of firearms in circulation matters as well, but we can argue that case another day. Right now I'm arguing Donkey Party incompetence and irresponsibility.
.
Andre Jute
It's a slam-dunk case.

You could argue it, but to be fair you'd need a
not-dixiecrat-controlled major US city for comparison.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Historically, Tulsa and Oklahoma City had a violent crime rates nearly twice that of Portland. This is a bad year, obviously, and I haven't compared current statistics.

I have (counting) five shooting cases on my desk -- all since the pandemic, four in strip club parking lots. I represent an insurer that writes strip clubs. it used to be they just fought, but now its guns.

Like I said, this year is an outlier, and we've had Democrat-ish (its non-partisan) mayors for the last 40 years.

-- Jay Beattie.





That's a very tough situation for a business owner:
https://apnews.com/4c7a568bfa07c98b90c0292c7e592923
(just down the road from here)

Similarly, an immigrant of my acquaintance, with his
extended family, literally built a restaurant (brick; took
almost two years) and successful business. After 20 years
of paying taxes and employing people, the permits were
yanked after a couple of thugs shot up the parking lot after
hours one night.

I expect a strip club manager to keep the customers' hands
off the dancers but not to search every car coming into the
parking lot, frisk the people inside or interrogate them.
That's an unreasonable standard.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
That's like stoking vigilantism and then decrying it because the politicians don't have the balls to keep a proper police force recruited, staffed, supplied and motivated. What a shower of dialectical fools. -- AJ

These strip club shootings are usually intimate affairs with no wind-up or little wind-up, and the reason for the shooting often is not obvious. Having a "proper police force" with balls (!) would do nothing more than speed apprehension of the shooter. It's not the Sharks and the Jets with Russ Tamblyn snapping his fingers and officer Krupke telling the boys to break it up. One shooting was inside a closed strip club with two young men doing maintenance and remodeling, and one shot the other. They were friends.

Increased police presence may prevent certain shootings, but not others. I've watched the video, and it is often a WTF moment where you cannot tell why on earth one guy is shooting the other guy. In one case in particular, a group of guys in a parking lot all look like friends -- and then shots. There is a usually a back-story.
Right. It used to be fists. Now it's guns.

So what we need is for more people to have guns?? Sheesh.

--
- Frank Krygowski
Well, as is usual, you're Franky-on-the-spot to tell others how they should live.

So you're defending shooting someone who offends you in a strip club
parking lot?

Wow.

I absolute love you publishing this sort of lie so that everyone can see exactly what you are. Crawl back into your sewer where you came from.

On 3/11/2021 11:43 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/11/2021 11:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 7:53:22 AM UTC-8, Frank
Krygowski wrote:
On 3/11/2021 10:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 11:35:02 PM UTC-8, Andre
Jute wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:49:03 AM UTC, AMuzi
wrote:
On 3/10/2021 6:38 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 2:18:17 PM UTC-8,
AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 4:08 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:50:21 PM UTC,
AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 12:35 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
Lefties have no loyalty, but I'm not surprised
Jay wants to make a runner for some place better
run than Portland:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...force-n2585894


Portland had as many murders in 2020 as the
entire country of Ireland will have in over
thirty years. Portland in three years and a bit
will have as many did of gunshot and explosive
wounds as Northern Ireland had in thirty years of
terrorist violence and reprisals. That's a pretty
elevated level of violence in Portland, which Jay
has held up to us as "mostly peaceful".

If my country were as "peaceful" as the city of
Portland, the police commissioner would long
since have kissed his job goodbye, and the
government would have fallen to a no-confidence
vote after about three months.

Andre Jute
Just being reasonable

Ireland has half the population of Chicago GMA
(more than
City of Chicago but not that much more). Portland
GMA is
about 1/2 of Ireland.
.
Okay, like for like. On a base of 100K of the
population, how many would be murdered in Ireland
and in Portland?
.
In Ireland per 100K population, 0.87 would be
murdered (1918).
https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...-homicide-rate

.
In Portland per 100K population, 4 would be
murdered. Portland is safer than only 2 percent of
US cities.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/or...me#description

.
The usual googlebugs can bus us more up to date
numbers.
.
Not attacking or defending anyone here but those
things
matter. Density probably as well.
.
Density for sure. You'd be amazed how fast rats
turn viciously paranoid if they're crowded.

Personally, I think the number of firearms in
circulation matters as well, but we can argue that
case another day. Right now I'm arguing Donkey
Party incompetence and irresponsibility.
.
Andre Jute
It's a slam-dunk case.

You could argue it, but to be fair you'd need a
not-dixiecrat-controlled major US city for comparison.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Historically, Tulsa and Oklahoma City had a violent
crime rates nearly twice that of Portland. This is a
bad year, obviously, and I haven't compared current
statistics.

I have (counting) five shooting cases on my desk --
all since the pandemic, four in strip club parking
lots. I represent an insurer that writes strip clubs.
it used to be they just fought, but now its guns.

Like I said, this year is an outlier, and we've had
Democrat-ish (its non-partisan) mayors for the last
40 years.

-- Jay Beattie.





That's a very tough situation for a business owner:
https://apnews.com/4c7a568bfa07c98b90c0292c7e592923
(just down the road from here)

Similarly, an immigrant of my acquaintance, with his
extended family, literally built a restaurant (brick;
took
almost two years) and successful business. After 20 years
of paying taxes and employing people, the permits were
yanked after a couple of thugs shot up the parking lot
after
hours one night.

I expect a strip club manager to keep the customers'
hands
off the dancers but not to search every car coming
into the
parking lot, frisk the people inside or interrogate them.
That's an unreasonable standard.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
That's like stoking vigilantism and then decrying it
because the politicians don't have the balls to keep a
proper police force recruited, staffed, supplied and
motivated. What a shower of dialectical fools. -- AJ

These strip club shootings are usually intimate affairs
with no wind-up or little wind-up, and the reason for
the shooting often is not obvious. Having a "proper
police force" with balls (!) would do nothing more than
speed apprehension of the shooter. It's not the Sharks
and the Jets with Russ Tamblyn snapping his fingers and
officer Krupke telling the boys to break it up. One
shooting was inside a closed strip club with two young
men doing maintenance and remodeling, and one shot the
other. They were friends.

Increased police presence may prevent certain shootings,
but not others. I've watched the video, and it is often
a WTF moment where you cannot tell why on earth one guy
is shooting the other guy. In one case in particular, a
group of guys in a parking lot all look like friends --
and then shots. There is a usually a back-story.
Right. It used to be fists. Now it's guns.

So what we need is for more people to have guns?? Sheesh.

--
- Frank Krygowski
Well, as is usual, you're Franky-on-the-spot to tell
others how they should live.


So you're defending shooting someone who offends you in a
strip club parking lot?

Wow.


No, that's a crime and no one here suggests it.

Then again taking second place is pretty ugly:

https://abc7chicago.com/would-be-car...-loop/5272059/

"The shooting happened at around 3:15 a.m. Friday on Ida B.
Wells and Clark Street after a man in a Volkswagen
rear-ended a BMW.

According to police, the driver of the BMW got out to
inspect the damage and when he went back to get his cell
phone, the Volkswagen driver approached with a handgun,
demanded his keys and pushed him into the vehicle.

Both men were inside the vehicle when police said the
41-year-old BMW driver retrieved his handgun and shot the
22-year-old man in the head."

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 6:01:09 PM UTC, wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 9:43:51 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/11/2021 11:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 7:53:22 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/11/2021 10:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 11:35:02 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:49:03 AM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 6:38 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 2:18:17 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 4:08 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:50:21 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 12:35 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
Lefties have no loyalty, but I'm not surprised Jay wants to make a runner for some place better run than Portland:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...force-n2585894

Portland had as many murders in 2020 as the entire country of Ireland will have in over thirty years. Portland in three years and a bit will have as many did of gunshot and explosive wounds as Northern Ireland had in thirty years of terrorist violence and reprisals. That's a pretty elevated level of violence in Portland, which Jay has held up to us as "mostly peaceful".

If my country were as "peaceful" as the city of Portland, the police commissioner would long since have kissed his job goodbye, and the government would have fallen to a no-confidence vote after about three months.

Andre Jute
Just being reasonable

Ireland has half the population of Chicago GMA (more than
City of Chicago but not that much more). Portland GMA is
about 1/2 of Ireland.
.
Okay, like for like. On a base of 100K of the population, how many would be murdered in Ireland and in Portland?
.
In Ireland per 100K population, 0.87 would be murdered (1918). https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...-homicide-rate
.
In Portland per 100K population, 4 would be murdered. Portland is safer than only 2 percent of US cities.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/or...me#description
.
The usual googlebugs can bus us more up to date numbers.
.
Not attacking or defending anyone here but those things
matter. Density probably as well.
.
Density for sure. You'd be amazed how fast rats turn viciously paranoid if they're crowded.

Personally, I think the number of firearms in circulation matters as well, but we can argue that case another day. Right now I'm arguing Donkey Party incompetence and irresponsibility.
.
Andre Jute
It's a slam-dunk case.

You could argue it, but to be fair you'd need a
not-dixiecrat-controlled major US city for comparison.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Historically, Tulsa and Oklahoma City had a violent crime rates nearly twice that of Portland. This is a bad year, obviously, and I haven't compared current statistics.

I have (counting) five shooting cases on my desk -- all since the pandemic, four in strip club parking lots. I represent an insurer that writes strip clubs. it used to be they just fought, but now its guns.

Like I said, this year is an outlier, and we've had Democrat-ish (its non-partisan) mayors for the last 40 years.

-- Jay Beattie.





That's a very tough situation for a business owner:
https://apnews.com/4c7a568bfa07c98b90c0292c7e592923
(just down the road from here)

Similarly, an immigrant of my acquaintance, with his
extended family, literally built a restaurant (brick; took
almost two years) and successful business. After 20 years
of paying taxes and employing people, the permits were
yanked after a couple of thugs shot up the parking lot after
hours one night.

I expect a strip club manager to keep the customers' hands
off the dancers but not to search every car coming into the
parking lot, frisk the people inside or interrogate them.
That's an unreasonable standard.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
That's like stoking vigilantism and then decrying it because the politicians don't have the balls to keep a proper police force recruited, staffed, supplied and motivated. What a shower of dialectical fools. -- AJ

These strip club shootings are usually intimate affairs with no wind-up or little wind-up, and the reason for the shooting often is not obvious. Having a "proper police force" with balls (!) would do nothing more than speed apprehension of the shooter. It's not the Sharks and the Jets with Russ Tamblyn snapping his fingers and officer Krupke telling the boys to break it up. One shooting was inside a closed strip club with two young men doing maintenance and remodeling, and one shot the other. They were friends.

Increased police presence may prevent certain shootings, but not others. I've watched the video, and it is often a WTF moment where you cannot tell why on earth one guy is shooting the other guy. In one case in particular, a group of guys in a parking lot all look like friends -- and then shots. There is a usually a back-story.
Right. It used to be fists. Now it's guns.

So what we need is for more people to have guns?? Sheesh.

--
- Frank Krygowski
Well, as is usual, you're Franky-on-the-spot to tell others how they should live.

So you're defending shooting someone who offends you in a strip club
parking lot?

Wow.
I absolute love you publishing this sort of lie so that everyone can see exactly what you are. Crawl back into your sewer where you came from.
..
We'll have to find a new place to damn Franki-boy to. The Denizens of the Sewer took a free and democratic vote and decided by a margin of 100% to nil that they don't want Krygowski. "We're decent, honest slime," said their spokesman. "We have no intention of letting scum like Krygowski infect neighbourhoods where we're bringing up our children."
..
Andre Jute
Dunno what the world is coming to.

On 3/11/2021 11:43 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/11/2021 11:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 7:53:22 AM UTC-8, Frank
Krygowski wrote:
On 3/11/2021 10:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 11:35:02 PM UTC-8, Andre
Jute wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:49:03 AM UTC, AMuzi
wrote:
On 3/10/2021 6:38 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 2:18:17 PM UTC-8,
AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 4:08 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:50:21 PM UTC,
AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 12:35 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
Lefties have no loyalty, but I'm not surprised
Jay wants to make a runner for some place better
run than Portland:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...force-n2585894


Portland had as many murders in 2020 as the
entire country of Ireland will have in over
thirty years. Portland in three years and a bit
will have as many did of gunshot and explosive
wounds as Northern Ireland had in thirty years of
terrorist violence and reprisals. That's a pretty
elevated level of violence in Portland, which Jay
has held up to us as "mostly peaceful".

If my country were as "peaceful" as the city of
Portland, the police commissioner would long
since have kissed his job goodbye, and the
government would have fallen to a no-confidence
vote after about three months.

Andre Jute
Just being reasonable

Ireland has half the population of Chicago GMA
(more than
City of Chicago but not that much more). Portland
GMA is
about 1/2 of Ireland.
.
Okay, like for like. On a base of 100K of the
population, how many would be murdered in Ireland
and in Portland?
.
In Ireland per 100K population, 0.87 would be
murdered (1918).
https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...-homicide-rate

.
In Portland per 100K population, 4 would be
murdered. Portland is safer than only 2 percent of
US cities.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/or...me#description

.
The usual googlebugs can bus us more up to date
numbers.
.
Not attacking or defending anyone here but those
things
matter. Density probably as well.
.
Density for sure. You'd be amazed how fast rats
turn viciously paranoid if they're crowded.

Personally, I think the number of firearms in
circulation matters as well, but we can argue that
case another day. Right now I'm arguing Donkey
Party incompetence and irresponsibility.
.
Andre Jute
It's a slam-dunk case.

You could argue it, but to be fair you'd need a
not-dixiecrat-controlled major US city for comparison.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Historically, Tulsa and Oklahoma City had a violent
crime rates nearly twice that of Portland. This is a
bad year, obviously, and I haven't compared current
statistics.

I have (counting) five shooting cases on my desk --
all since the pandemic, four in strip club parking
lots. I represent an insurer that writes strip clubs.
it used to be they just fought, but now its guns.

Like I said, this year is an outlier, and we've had
Democrat-ish (its non-partisan) mayors for the last
40 years.

-- Jay Beattie.





That's a very tough situation for a business owner:
https://apnews.com/4c7a568bfa07c98b90c0292c7e592923
(just down the road from here)

Similarly, an immigrant of my acquaintance, with his
extended family, literally built a restaurant (brick;
took
almost two years) and successful business. After 20 years
of paying taxes and employing people, the permits were
yanked after a couple of thugs shot up the parking lot
after
hours one night.

I expect a strip club manager to keep the customers'
hands
off the dancers but not to search every car coming
into the
parking lot, frisk the people inside or interrogate them.
That's an unreasonable standard.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
That's like stoking vigilantism and then decrying it
because the politicians don't have the balls to keep a
proper police force recruited, staffed, supplied and
motivated. What a shower of dialectical fools. -- AJ

These strip club shootings are usually intimate affairs
with no wind-up or little wind-up, and the reason for
the shooting often is not obvious. Having a "proper
police force" with balls (!) would do nothing more than
speed apprehension of the shooter. It's not the Sharks
and the Jets with Russ Tamblyn snapping his fingers and
officer Krupke telling the boys to break it up. One
shooting was inside a closed strip club with two young
men doing maintenance and remodeling, and one shot the
other. They were friends.

Increased police presence may prevent certain shootings,
but not others. I've watched the video, and it is often
a WTF moment where you cannot tell why on earth one guy
is shooting the other guy. In one case in particular, a
group of guys in a parking lot all look like friends --
and then shots. There is a usually a back-story.
Right. It used to be fists. Now it's guns.

So what we need is for more people to have guns?? Sheesh.

--
- Frank Krygowski
Well, as is usual, you're Franky-on-the-spot to tell
others how they should live.


So you're defending shooting someone who offends you in a
strip club parking lot?

Wow.


Then again defensive personal firearms do have a place:

https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/shocki...road-daylight/

Or if you find them scary, bleeding on the sidewalk is a
reasonable alternative. See video.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 10:53:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 3/11/2021 10:27 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 11:35:02 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:49:03 AM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 6:38 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 2:18:17 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 4:08 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 6:50:21 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/10/2021 12:35 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
Lefties have no loyalty, but I'm not surprised Jay wants to make a runner for some place better run than Portland:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guyben...force-n2585894

Portland had as many murders in 2020 as the entire country of Ireland will have in over thirty years. Portland in three years and a bit will have as many did of gunshot and explosive wounds as Northern Ireland had in thirty years of terrorist violence and reprisals. That's a pretty elevated level of violence in Portland, which Jay has held up to us as "mostly peaceful".

If my country were as "peaceful" as the city of Portland, the police commissioner would long since have kissed his job goodbye, and the government would have fallen to a no-confidence vote after about three months.

Andre Jute
Just being reasonable

Ireland has half the population of Chicago GMA (more than
City of Chicago but not that much more). Portland GMA is
about 1/2 of Ireland.
.
Okay, like for like. On a base of 100K of the population, how many would be murdered in Ireland and in Portland?
.
In Ireland per 100K population, 0.87 would be murdered (1918). https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...-homicide-rate
.
In Portland per 100K population, 4 would be murdered. Portland is safer than only 2 percent of US cities.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/or...me#description
.
The usual googlebugs can bus us more up to date numbers.
.
Not attacking or defending anyone here but those things
matter. Density probably as well.
.
Density for sure. You'd be amazed how fast rats turn viciously paranoid if they're crowded.

Personally, I think the number of firearms in circulation matters as well, but we can argue that case another day. Right now I'm arguing Donkey Party incompetence and irresponsibility.
.
Andre Jute
It's a slam-dunk case.

You could argue it, but to be fair you'd need a
not-dixiecrat-controlled major US city for comparison.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Historically, Tulsa and Oklahoma City had a violent crime rates nearly twice that of Portland. This is a bad year, obviously, and I haven't compared current statistics.

I have (counting) five shooting cases on my desk -- all since the pandemic, four in strip club parking lots. I represent an insurer that writes strip clubs. it used to be they just fought, but now its guns.

Like I said, this year is an outlier, and we've had Democrat-ish (its non-partisan) mayors for the last 40 years.

-- Jay Beattie.





That's a very tough situation for a business owner:
https://apnews.com/4c7a568bfa07c98b90c0292c7e592923
(just down the road from here)

Similarly, an immigrant of my acquaintance, with his
extended family, literally built a restaurant (brick; took
almost two years) and successful business. After 20 years
of paying taxes and employing people, the permits were
yanked after a couple of thugs shot up the parking lot after
hours one night.

I expect a strip club manager to keep the customers' hands
off the dancers but not to search every car coming into the
parking lot, frisk the people inside or interrogate them.
That's an unreasonable standard.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
That's like stoking vigilantism and then decrying it because the politicians don't have the balls to keep a proper police force recruited, staffed, supplied and motivated. What a shower of dialectical fools. -- AJ

These strip club shootings are usually intimate affairs with no wind-up or little wind-up, and the reason for the shooting often is not obvious. Having a "proper police force" with balls (!) would do nothing more than speed apprehension of the shooter. It's not the Sharks and the Jets with Russ Tamblyn snapping his fingers and officer Krupke telling the boys to break it up. One shooting was inside a closed strip club with two young men doing maintenance and remodeling, and one shot the other. They were friends.

Increased police presence may prevent certain shootings, but not others. I've watched the video, and it is often a WTF moment where you cannot tell why on earth one guy is shooting the other guy. In one case in particular, a group of guys in a parking lot all look like friends -- and then shots. There is a usually a back-story.

Right. It used to be fists. Now it's guns.

So what we need is for more people to have guns?? Sheesh.

Well, from a purely statistical point of view global warming is simply
a matter of population growth - more people more contaminates - so
essentially a couple of blokes shooting each other might be viewed as
their contribution to the lessoning of the world's CO2 overload :-)

Or perhaps, harking back to ancient times - The O.K. Corral, etc. -
they are lowlifes so we don't need them. Good riddance!
--
Cheers,

John B.