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Lies of the AHZ 1: Confounding factors
The AHZ (anti-helmet zealot) Frank Krygowski
wrote: the study fail[s] to properly account for confounding factors. * This is code for mangling the data through rosetinted glasses until it suits Krygowski's purposes -- and then he still lies about it, as he lied about the South Australian and Crocker studies. (Or in Jute's favorite study, make absolutely no attempt to account for confounding factors - the epitome of incompetent analysis.) Krygowski has already been given the opportunity to present some confounding factors to consider. He incompetently presented only two, drunks without helmets and scofflaws without helmets. They were supposed to confound this observation from the NY compilation: • only 3% of fatalities wore a helmet whereas 13% of the non-fatally (but seriously) injured wore a helmet How can statistics about drunks *without* helmets and scofflaws *without* helmets confound cyclists who survived *because they wore helmets*? Riddle me that. So Krygowski knows there are no confounding factors. I have told him so most pointedly and repeatedly. IN SHORT, ONCE MORE KRYGOWSKI LIES THROUGH TEETH, KNOWING THAT HE LIES. Krygowski is of course welcome to think up more confounding factors, and I'll consider them too. That's code for: And once more I'll make Krygowski look like the fool he is. Andre Jute Let the utopia of reason roll into even cycling |
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Lies of the Liddites: Confounding factors
On 9/2/2010 7:18 PM, André Jute wrote:
blah blah blah trimmed [1] [1] For André Jute and Michael Press, this is NOT a quote of previously posted text. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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Lies of the Liddites: Confounding factors
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Tom Sherman °_° wrote: On 9/2/2010 7:18 PM, André Jute wrote: blah blah blah trimmed [1] [1] For André Jute and Michael Press, this is NOT a quote of previously posted text. LOL! -- That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, Bingo. |
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Lies of the Liddites: Confounding factors
On 9/2/2010 9:54 PM, Jobst Brandt wrote:
Tim McNamara wrote: blah blah blah trimmed [1] [1] For André Jute and Michael Press, this is NOT a quote of previously posted text. ENGLISH: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/luddite Liddite (sic) - A person who believes a expanded polystyrene bicycle foam hat offers substantial protection against traumatic brain injury. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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Lies of the Liddites: Confounding factors
On Sep 2, 9:59*pm, Tom Sherman °_°
wrote: On 9/2/2010 9:54 PM, Jobst Brandt wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: blah blah blah trimmed *[1] [1] For André Jute and Michael Press, this is NOT a quote of previously posted text. ENGLISH: *http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/luddite Liddite (sic) - A person who believes a expanded polystyrene bicycle foam hat offers substantial protection against traumatic brain injury. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. What Frank K. was talking about in "confounding factors" was not also correlating other injuries. For instance in the now widely discredited Australian "study" that the "85%" claim is pulled from going back to the raw data there was also a 67% reduction in knee injuries immediately after the helmet law was enforced. Can anyone believe that wearing a styrofoam hat will prevent any kind of leg injury? Or did they have a sharp reduction in the numbers of cyclists, to the point that there were far fewer wrecks for several weeks until large numbers of helmets became available? Having made that point, I wear a helmet every time I ride, not just your average "bicycle helmet" but a full-face Downhill MTB helmet. I wear this helmet even in the 100+F temperatures we get in TX summers, because when I had my wreck the last impact I had was hitting the road face first and getting pieces of your face sewn back on is very uncomfortable during the healing process, all those nerves knitting and whatnot. I wear the full-face to give me a slight chance of avoiding a repeat of that injury. Helmets and gloves are about the only PPE we have as cyclists to protect us in the case of a wreck. Do I think everyone should wear a helmet? Yes. Do I think that helmets should be made mandatory by law? Nope. The current standard of protection (the CPSC test) is too low to protect in wrecks with motor vehicles, which is the major source of cyclist fatality on the roads. The CPSC standard only protects up to a 12.5 MPH impact, or about the speed of an adult's head if that adult were to fall over at a standstill and hit his/her head on the curb. The helmet is completely "used up" and no longer protective against impact injury by 20 MPH. Most motor vehicle wrecks involve much higher speed than that. My wreck the motor vehicle that hit me was doing 45-65 MPH with the higher probability being placed on the higher end of that scale. I survived not because I was wearing a helmet, but because all the head impacts I had were glancing blows that were within the protective limits of the helmet I was wearing, more or less. At least one was high enough that I had some brain damage, that might have been the one where my face hit the road, or it might have been any of the 5 other impacts recorded in the the helmet's structure, or even the cumulative effect of all those impacts in such a short time. Who can tell? But the important part is that the helmet was well past its limits as a protective device, and that is true in most wrecks involving motor vehicles. Bicycle helmets are not motorcycle helmets, and the levels of protection afforded by one should not be used as validation for mandating the use of the other. |
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Lies of the Liddites: Confounding factors
On Sep 3, 8:37 am, Opus wrote:
On Sep 2, 9:59 pm, Tom Sherman °_° wrote: On 9/2/2010 9:54 PM, Jobst Brandt wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: blah blah blah trimmed [1] [1] For André Jute and Michael Press, this is NOT a quote of previously posted text. ENGLISH: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/luddite Liddite (sic) - A person who believes a expanded polystyrene bicycle foam hat offers substantial protection against traumatic brain injury. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. What Frank K. was talking about in "confounding factors" was not also correlating other injuries. For instance in the now widely discredited Australian "study" that the "85%" claim is pulled from going back to the raw data there was also a 67% reduction in knee injuries immediately after the helmet law was enforced. Can anyone believe that wearing a styrofoam hat will prevent any kind of leg injury? Well, actually, since you ask, and speaking from considerable crashing experience, I have posited that in a crash, what with the tumbling and tucking and rolling and what not - trying to go with the flow as energy is dissipated - having a helmet on could make you less concerned with protecting your head from every little bump and scrape, and therefor conceivably allow less awkward tumbling and potentially avoid e.g. a broken leg. Not that this is likely to be statistically significant or noticeable, but that's not what you asked. (BTW, and with no offense to anyone, I'm not sure Australia is a real place ;-) snip Bicycle helmets are not motorcycle helmets, and the levels of protection afforded by one should not be used as validation for mandating the use of the other. Hmm... well, *most*, though not all, of the crash experience I mention above is from motorcycle racing, and yes, the helmets are quite different, but my current bicycle helmet is way more like the motorcycle helmets that I used to wear than typical bicycle helmets today. I wish they still made better hard shell helmets for bicycling. I'm not aware of anyone here advocating mandatory helmet use - except maybe Andre, but I simply haven't been reading all of that stuff, so... |
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Lies of the Liddites: Confounding factors
Dan O wrote:
I'm not aware of anyone here advocating mandatory helmet use - except maybe Andre, but I simply haven't been reading all of that stuff, so... Not me either, Danno. That's a straw man erected by the anti-helmet zealots, that anyone who publishes honest data about cycling fatalities and injuries is thereby promoting a mandatory helmet law. My sole interest lies in publishing honest data to stop people like Krygowski lying, to help cyclists unconfuse themselves in order to make their own decisions. I have not told people to wear a helmet, or to stop wearing one. I have not recommended a mandatory helmet law or rejected a mandatory helmet law. I provide quality information and others can make up their minds. That is all. It's a social service I perform because I believe in free speech and high quality information free to all as bulwarks of democracy and liberty. The "troll"-shouters and other mouth-foamers demanding unearned "respect" (i.e. obeissance to their prejudices) have a different idea of who should be allowed to possess knowledge, or deliver knowledge, because knowledge is power over others. Me, I give it away while they want to hug it to them. Andre Jute Visit Andre's books at http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/THE%20WRITER'S%20HOUSE.html |
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Lies of the AHZ 1: Confounding factors
"Andre Jute" wrote in message
... The AHZ (anti-helmet zealot) Frank Krygowski wrote: the study fail[s] to properly account for confounding factors. This is code for mangling the data through rosetinted glasses until it suits Krygowski's purposes -- and then he still lies about it, as he lied about the South Australian and Crocker studies. Maybe he can get some stimulus booty to produce a play about it: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...#ixzz11WvcLjrP Bill "link says it all" S. |
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