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conspiracy theorists unite!
Is the issue of sabotage really that far outside the realm of
possibility? I'm not so sure. Some years ago while sitting in the infield at Masters Track Nationals, I overheard some guys talking about going to Worlds later that year. One guy had never been, the other many times. The never-been guy was asking about all manner of important things like getting from the airport to the track, hotels, where to eat, etc... The old hand kept focusing on ONE thing: don't take any food or drink from anyone and don't leave a water bottle unattended at any time. He was obsessed with protecting himself from someone tampering with his food and water. Why would anyone be so concerned about something like that? It's only a Masters' level competition and the only real reward is bragging rights. Who would be so low as to bring down a competitor by tampering with his water bottles just to attain unearned bragging rights? I guess there are people out there who would do that. Otherwise, why was the guy so concerned about it? He didn't think it up, he'd been advised by others, some of whom had raced at the elite international level. They must have KNOWN something that perhaps the rest of us would only suspect. Well, if someone would stoop that low for bragging rights, imagine what someone might do to earn the sort of money, both prize money and future contracts, that moving up the finish order at the Tour would bring. Of course, there's also the possibility that someone, a well-meaning someone, tried to help Landis without his knowledge. Any one of his coaches, directors, soigneurs, teammates, etc... could have put who knows what into his food, water, chamois creme, etc... Maybe his director or some other person within the team's organization, who helped all his former disgraced teammates and who knew that Landis would not dope, did something without his knowledge. |
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Scott wrote: Is the issue of sabotage really that far outside the realm of possibility? I'm not so sure. Some years ago while sitting in the infield at Masters Track Nationals, I overheard some guys talking about going to Worlds later that year. One guy had never been, the other many times. The never-been guy was asking about all manner of important things like getting from the airport to the track, hotels, where to eat, etc... The old hand kept focusing on ONE thing: don't take any food or drink from anyone and don't leave a water bottle unattended at any time. He was obsessed with protecting himself from someone tampering with his food and water. Why would anyone be so concerned about something like that? It's only a Masters' level competition and the only real reward is bragging rights. Who would be so low as to bring down a competitor by tampering with his water bottles just to attain unearned bragging rights? I guess there are people out there who would do that. Otherwise, why was the guy so concerned about it? He didn't think it up, he'd been advised by others, some of whom had raced at the elite international level. They must have KNOWN something that perhaps the rest of us would only suspect. Well, if someone would stoop that low for bragging rights, imagine what someone might do to earn the sort of money, both prize money and future contracts, that moving up the finish order at the Tour would bring. Of course, there's also the possibility that someone, a well-meaning someone, tried to help Landis without his knowledge. Any one of his coaches, directors, soigneurs, teammates, etc... could have put who knows what into his food, water, chamois creme, etc... Maybe his director or some other person within the team's organization, who helped all his former disgraced teammates and who knew that Landis would not dope, did something without his knowledge. Maybe they spiked his OJ. Fred |
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"Scott" wrote in message oups.com... Is the issue of sabotage really that far outside the realm of possibility? I'm not so sure. Some years ago while sitting in the infield at Masters Track Nationals, I overheard some guys talking about going to Worlds later that year. One guy had never been, the other many times. The never-been guy was asking about all manner of important things like getting from the airport to the track, hotels, where to eat, etc... The old hand kept focusing on ONE thing: don't take any food or drink from anyone and don't leave a water bottle unattended at any time. He was obsessed with protecting himself from someone tampering with his food and water. Why would anyone be so concerned about something like that? It's only a Masters' level competition and the only real reward is bragging rights. Who would be so low as to bring down a competitor by tampering with his water bottles just to attain unearned bragging rights? I guess there are people out there who would do that. Otherwise, why was the guy so concerned about it? He didn't think it up, he'd been advised by others, some of whom had raced at the elite international level. They must have KNOWN something that perhaps the rest of us would only suspect. Well, if someone would stoop that low for bragging rights, imagine what someone might do to earn the sort of money, both prize money and future contracts, that moving up the finish order at the Tour would bring. Of course, there's also the possibility that someone, a well-meaning someone, tried to help Landis without his knowledge. Any one of his coaches, directors, soigneurs, teammates, etc... could have put who knows what into his food, water, chamois creme, etc... Maybe his director or some other person within the team's organization, who helped all his former disgraced teammates and who knew that Landis would not dope, did something without his knowledge. I try to keep things in perspective. I will let you choose which scenario is more likely. Option A is any version, single or multiple, of your situations above. Option B is that Floyd knowingly took illegal, performance enhancing substances. If you were betting your house which would you choose? |
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Frank Drackman wrote: "Scott" wrote in message oups.com... Is the issue of sabotage really that far outside the realm of possibility? I'm not so sure. Some years ago while sitting in the infield at Masters Track Nationals, I overheard some guys talking about going to Worlds later that year. One guy had never been, the other many times. The never-been guy was asking about all manner of important things like getting from the airport to the track, hotels, where to eat, etc... The old hand kept focusing on ONE thing: don't take any food or drink from anyone and don't leave a water bottle unattended at any time. He was obsessed with protecting himself from someone tampering with his food and water. Why would anyone be so concerned about something like that? It's only a Masters' level competition and the only real reward is bragging rights. Who would be so low as to bring down a competitor by tampering with his water bottles just to attain unearned bragging rights? I guess there are people out there who would do that. Otherwise, why was the guy so concerned about it? He didn't think it up, he'd been advised by others, some of whom had raced at the elite international level. They must have KNOWN something that perhaps the rest of us would only suspect. Well, if someone would stoop that low for bragging rights, imagine what someone might do to earn the sort of money, both prize money and future contracts, that moving up the finish order at the Tour would bring. Of course, there's also the possibility that someone, a well-meaning someone, tried to help Landis without his knowledge. Any one of his coaches, directors, soigneurs, teammates, etc... could have put who knows what into his food, water, chamois creme, etc... Maybe his director or some other person within the team's organization, who helped all his former disgraced teammates and who knew that Landis would not dope, did something without his knowledge. I try to keep things in perspective. I will let you choose which scenario is more likely. Option A is any version, single or multiple, of your situations above. Option B is that Floyd knowingly took illegal, performance enhancing substances. If you were betting your house which would you choose? Frankly (pardon the pun), I don't think either scenario represents what happened. I believe it was a faulty test. As the manufacturer of the equipment used to do the testing for exogenous testosterone himself has stated, there's a huge likelyhood of false-positives. Okay, not huge, but large enough as to cast serious doubts on the validity of the test results. As for the T/E ratio itself being out of whack, there are any number of plausible explanations for that. Time will tell, I guess. |
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Scott wrote: Is the issue of sabotage really that far outside the realm of possibility? I'm not so sure. Some years ago while sitting in the infield at Masters Track Nationals, I overheard some guys talking about going to Worlds later that year. One guy had never been, the other many times. The never-been guy was asking about all manner of important things like getting from the airport to the track, hotels, where to eat, etc... The old hand kept focusing on ONE thing: don't take any food or drink from anyone and don't leave a water bottle unattended at any time. He was obsessed with protecting himself from someone tampering with his food and water. Why would anyone be so concerned about something like that? It's only a Masters' level competition and the only real reward is bragging rights. Who would be so low as to bring down a competitor by tampering with his water bottles just to attain unearned bragging rights? I guess there are people out there who would do that. Otherwise, why was the guy so concerned about it? He didn't think it up, he'd been advised by others, some of whom had raced at the elite international level. They must have KNOWN something that perhaps the rest of us would only suspect. Well, if someone would stoop that low for bragging rights, imagine what someone might do to earn the sort of money, both prize money and future contracts, that moving up the finish order at the Tour would bring. Of course, there's also the possibility that someone, a well-meaning someone, tried to help Landis without his knowledge. Any one of his coaches, directors, soigneurs, teammates, etc... could have put who knows what into his food, water, chamois creme, etc... Maybe his director or some other person within the team's organization, who helped all his former disgraced teammates and who knew that Landis would not dope, did something without his knowledge. Do they even bother to drug-test the masters fatties? If so, it must be the most thrilling thing in the world (for that "old hand") to get drug tested like his favorite pros. |
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"Scott" wrote in message
oups.com... I don't think either scenario represents what happened. I believe it was a faulty test. As the manufacturer of the equipment used to do the testing for exogenous testosterone himself has stated, there's a huge likelyhood of false-positives. Okay, not huge, but large enough as to cast serious doubts on the validity of the test results. As for the T/E ratio itself being out of whack, there are any number of plausible explanations for that. Time will tell, I guess. It is important to note - if the MANUFACTURER tells you that one out of 20 will be a false positive, that's with people who are competent to use the equipment. Let me relate something. I worked for Beckman Instruments and we designed liquid chromotography equipment. I worked on both the fixed and variable wavelength detectors and the high pressure pumps. I also wrote a good deal of the firmware for the system controller. We also designed and manufacturered the LC columns and we had a very good LC lab that designed the precedures for using the equipment. Every morning one of the PhD chromotography experts and myself would make a batch of coffee in his office. As a top notch chemist he always made a great deal out of this and always we had nearly perfect coffee. Very often during this time he would receive phone calls from all over the world requesting information on how to use our equipment. The very worst users were Nobel prize winners who couldn't even bother themselves to read the instruction manual. I knew what our sales were and I knew how many chemists were calling in to ask questions, and I heard what they were doing and how they were doing it. And my chemist friend who very often had designed the tests these people were trying to do was at his wits end because most of these guys wouldn't follow the simplest of directions. And the very WORST at this were the highest level French chemists who seemed to believe that their reputation would make the results come out properly despite using the equipment entirely incorrectly. If someone tells me that French lab was competent I would take that with a heavy dose of salt. |
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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com a écrit dans le message de news: et... "Scott" wrote in message oups.com... I don't think either scenario represents what happened. I believe it was a faulty test. As the manufacturer of the equipment used to do the testing for exogenous testosterone himself has stated, there's a huge likelyhood of false-positives. Okay, not huge, but large enough as to cast serious doubts on the validity of the test results. As for the T/E ratio itself being out of whack, there are any number of plausible explanations for that. Time will tell, I guess. It is important to note - if the MANUFACTURER tells you that one out of 20 will be a false positive, that's with people who are competent to use the equipment. Yes, but he also said hat one out of 20 is only with INCOMPETENT people. As the manufacturer also said that the French Lab was competent, the chance of false positive are now less than 0 % Let me relate something. I worked for Beckman Instruments and we designed liquid chromotography equipment. I worked on both the fixed and variable wavelength detectors and the high pressure pumps. I also wrote a good deal of the firmware for the system controller. We also designed and manufacturered the LC columns and we had a very good LC lab that designed the precedures for using the equipment. Every morning one of the PhD chromotography experts and myself would make a batch of coffee in his office. As a top notch chemist he always made a great deal out of this and always we had nearly perfect coffee. Very often during this time he would receive phone calls from all over the world requesting information on how to use our equipment. The very worst users were Nobel prize winners who couldn't even bother themselves to read the instruction manual. I knew what our sales were and I knew how many chemists were calling in to ask questions, and I heard what they were doing and how they were doing it. And my chemist friend who very often had designed the tests these people were trying to do was at his wits end because most of these guys wouldn't follow the simplest of directions. And the very WORST at this were the highest level French chemists who seemed to believe that their reputation would make the results come out properly despite using the equipment entirely incorrectly. If someone tells me that French lab was competent I would take that with a heavy dose of salt. The french Lab is not more competent than the others. It is competent and that's enough for us. Of course it is French, and it seems to be a problem to you. France, as you know, is a Republic. Well, call it Repubblican Lab Think about it. |
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Montesquiou wrote: The french Lab is not more competent than the others. It is competent and that's enough for us. Of course it is French, and it seems to be a problem to you. France, as you know, is a Republic. Well, call it Repubblican Lab Think about it. We must have different ideas of what a competent lab is, because I certainly wouldn't say that a lab which releases confidential information about lab test results, could be considered competent. i.e. both LA and FL test results. In fact, I would be asking why this lab is still a contractor for the UCI... |
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CowPunk wrote: Montesquiou wrote: The french Lab is not more competent than the others. It is competent and that's enough for us. Of course it is French, and it seems to be a problem to you. France, as you know, is a Republic. Well, call it Repubblican Lab Think about it. We must have different ideas of what a competent lab is, because I certainly wouldn't say that a lab which releases confidential information about lab test results, could be considered competent. i.e. both LA and FL test results. In fact, I would be asking why this lab is still a contractor for the UCI... If the UCI hired the labs, you'd never see a positive test. These labs are all certified and chosen by WADA (which is empowered by the IOC) |
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