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Old July 6th 11, 06:18 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
Tºm Shermªn °_°
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On 7/6/2011 7:14 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T�m Sherm�n " wrote in message
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On 7/5/2011 10:47 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
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[...]

Tom - I'm a bit surprised that only you replied. Typos from my
previous post corrected here. - Jim.

I responded at length, but it apparently disappeared into cyber space.
The
computer, the Internet and Usenet are all terribly flawed and I can't be
bothered repeating my words of wisdom because of a ****ed-up technology.

Look in your "Sent" and "Drafts" email folders.


It was "Sent", so why did not Jim McNamara see it? If you saw it, why not
say so instead of being so cryptic?


I did not see the post in question. However, most email program save a
copy of the message in a "Sent" or "Drafts" folder on your hard drive
(accessible through your email program) when you send a message (some
divert the message to "Drafts" if sending fails, others put the copy of
the message in "Sent" in all cases).

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I am a vehicular cyclist.
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Old July 6th 11, 06:25 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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"JimmyMac" wrote in message
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Thanks for the well wishing, Mike. I've come a long way since being

diagnosed and I am now in a much better place than I was just a few
months back. Unfortunately, prostate cancer becomes much more likely
as the age. Primates who share 99.9% of our DNA and are vegetarians
don't get prostate cancer. Canines in the wild don't get prostate
cancer. The only mammal known to get a significant amount of prostate
cancer is the dog, and who makes their food and feeds them table
scraps? Japanese men rarely get prostate cancer, but when they move
to places like Hawaii and California and change to consuming a Western
diet, their male born children get the same amount of prostate cancer
as other native born males. OK, this is all anecdotal but the
evidence strongly suggests that there is a correlation between diet
and the disease. If you or anyone else would care to read the details
of my complete story, it can be found posted here...

http://www.prostate.net/2011/survivo...-side-effects/


Jim McNamara


The Western diet has been a disaster for my entire lifetime and it keeps on
getting worse ever year. Unfortunately, the rest of the world aspires to our
diet if and when they can ever afford it.

Every American male over the age of about 50 should have a PSA test every
year to check for prostate cancer. It is easily cured if caught early,
although there are no good treatments for it without complications.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #13  
Old July 6th 11, 06:45 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
Edward Dolan
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"Tºm Shermªn °_°" " wrote in message
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On 7/2/2011 1:43 PM, JimmyMac wrote:

[...]
Like it or not, Internet forums commonly undergo an evolutionary
process regardless of whether they are moderated or unmoderated. The
natural life cycle of an Internet forum, with its various phases,
might be best summed up as follows:

1. Declaration of Enthusiasm - Subscribers introduce themselves and
gush over how wonderful it is to have encountered kindred spirits.

2. Origin of Evangelism - Participants moan about how the forum
consists of far too few members and brainstorming ensues to initiate
recruitment strategies.

3. Expansion of Community - An ever increasing number of interested
parties subscribe and contribute to the forum. Lengthy threads
develop (some more relevant than others).

4. Emergence of Camaraderie - Information and advice is exchanged
(some empirically founded ... some just anecdotal nonsense).
Friendships are forged. Members rib one another, but all in good
fun. New subscribers are welcomed and newbies. Both newcomers and
veterans alike are receptive to asking questions, providing answers,
and sharing experiences.

1998 to 2001


The above will never occur again on ANY forums. The computer, the Internet
and Usenet are now old and tired and we are all disillusioned and revolted
to say the least.

5. Genesis of Disenchantment - The volume of postings increases
dramatically. Not all threads are of interest to all participants.
Members pitch a bitch about signal-to-noise ratio, off-topic threads,
me too posts, forged and spoofed identities, forwarding of private
emails, and other violations of internet forum netiquette. Member #1
threatens to unsubscribe if things don't change for the better.
Member #2 aligns himself with Member #1. Member #3 disagrees with
both Members #1 and #2. Member #4 suggests that Members #1, #2, and
#3 should lighten up. Flame wars erupt and adversaries emerge.
Bandwidth is sacrificed as an abundance of postings proliferate in an
effort to resolve differences and restore some semblance of order.
During this particular phase, many a delete key gets more than its
share of abuse and filtering and killfiles are implemented.

The general attitude in the US after the false-flag attacks of Sept. 11,
2001 and the arrival of Ed Dolan [1].

6. Stagnation of Growth - The purists castigate members who ask an old
question or respond humorously to a serious post. Newcomers are
rebuffed and discouraged. SPAM posts, trolls and stalkers dominate
the forum. Traffic volume subsides considerably and is generally
confined to minor topics. Many relevant issues are communicated via
private emails. Some members turn in their membership cards in a huff
and the remaining members continue to participate in phases #4 and/or
#5 above.

Flight to the nanny forum.


Phases 5 and 6 is all I have ever known.

7. Salvation from Destruction - Someone like me pounds away at the
keyboard composing a post such as this one in an effort to stir the
juices of those members who find themselves entrenched in the quagmire
of phase #4 and/or #5 above ... mostly #5 in hopes of resurection ;-)


No resurrection is possible since everyone is old and tired, disgusted,
disillusioned and revolted.

People these days are not satisfied with plain text, despite Usenet being
my better to use than web-based forums.

Less is indeed more.

Well, at least this posting should prove to be a thought provoking
departure from the norm and hopefully sheds some light on the nature
of the beast we have come to love and hate ... the internet forum.
Perhaps I should have added a pahse nuber 8 (Fight of Forum), when
hope is abandoned, forum flight ensues and membership dwindles.


Most of the former posters seem happier in an environment when a moderator
steps in and squelches things at the first sign of spirited discourse.

One cannot also ignore most ISPs dropping Usenet out of liability
concerns, which limits new participation, and is responsible for much of
the decline in Usenet. This was a foolish decision, as the binary groups
(containing "pr0n" and "warez") could have been dropped, while retaining
the text only groups.

[1] Cross-posted to rec.bicycles.soc, since it seems unfair to talk about
a person behind his back.


ARBR was always a small group and TM ruined what was left of it with his
nonsense. I only monitor RBS now since Mr. Vandeman posts to this group.
Between the two of us we manage to keep the mountain bikers off balance. Mr.
Sherman is also kind enough to post to RBS which means I continue to have
the pleasure of kicking his dumb ass.

Life is good!

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


  #14  
Old July 6th 11, 07:08 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
Edward Dolan
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"Tºm Shermªn °_°" " wrote in message
...
On 7/2/2011 1:43 PM, JimmyMac wrote:

[...]
5. Genesis of Disenchantment - The volume of postings increases
dramatically. Not all threads are of interest to all participants.
Members pitch a bitch about signal-to-noise ratio, off-topic threads,
me too posts, forged and spoofed identities, forwarding of private
emails, and other violations of internet forum netiquette. Member #1
threatens to unsubscribe if things don't change for the better.
Member #2 aligns himself with Member #1. Member #3 disagrees with
both Members #1 and #2. Member #4 suggests that Members #1, #2, and
#3 should lighten up. Flame wars erupt and adversaries emerge.
Bandwidth is sacrificed as an abundance of postings proliferate in an
effort to resolve differences and restore some semblance of order.
During this particular phase, many a delete key gets more than its
share of abuse and filtering and killfiles are implemented.

The general attitude in the US after the false-flag attacks of Sept. 11,
2001 and the arrival of Ed Dolan [1].


When I first came to ARBR it was a hotbed of liberal political posts which
mainly went unchallenged. Once I challenged those posts, things rapidly went
to Hell. Liberals do not know how to take ****; they only know how to give
****.

Tom Sherman was only half on-topic in those days. He was half off-topic with
his liberal political screeds. But even so, ARBR was destroyed by Ed Gin and
Associates, criminal vandal trolls whom no one had the stomach to fight
except for Jim McNamara and myself. Small newsgroups are easily destroyed by
criminal vandal trolls, most especially when others of the group have no
guts to fight the good fight. When good men do nothing, evil men prevail.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


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Old July 7th 11, 07:02 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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On 7/6/2011 12:25 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
wrote in message
...
[...]
Thanks for the well wishing, Mike. I've come a long way since being

diagnosed and I am now in a much better place than I was just a few
months back. Unfortunately, prostate cancer becomes much more likely
as the age. Primates who share 99.9% of our DNA and are vegetarians
don't get prostate cancer. Canines in the wild don't get prostate
cancer. The only mammal known to get a significant amount of prostate
cancer is the dog, and who makes their food and feeds them table
scraps? Japanese men rarely get prostate cancer, but when they move
to places like Hawaii and California and change to consuming a Western
diet, their male born children get the same amount of prostate cancer
as other native born males. OK, this is all anecdotal but the
evidence strongly suggests that there is a correlation between diet
and the disease. If you or anyone else would care to read the details
of my complete story, it can be found posted here...

http://www.prostate.net/2011/survivo...-side-effects/


Jim McNamara


The Western diet has been a disaster for my entire lifetime and it keeps on
getting worse ever year. Unfortunately, the rest of the world aspires to our
diet if and when they can ever afford it.

Indeed. I have stopped eating [1] highly processed foods and have
minimized intake of refined carbohydrates, meat [2] and dairy products.
A few months will tell if my cholesterol and blood glucose levels
improve. I also try to consume adequate amounts of dihydrogen monoxide.

There is not enough grain raised in the world for everyone in China
alone, much less 7 billion plus, to eat as much meat per capita as
USians do. In most places meat is more of a condiment than a staple.

The only other primates to eat meat are chimpanzees, and it is only a
small part of their diet, monkeys [3] being hard to catch and kill.
However, it is valued enough that male chimpanzees will give meat to
females in exchange for sex.

[1] Unless social circumstances dictate otherwise.
[2] Free range and fish only.
[3] Chimpanzees have been known to steal and eat human babies [4], which
typically ends up in the chimpanzee being hunted down and killed in
short order.
[4] Or parts of adult humans, in a few cases of morons [5] who keep them
as pets.
[5] Yes, I think I will get an animal that will grow to 150 to 200
pounds, be 3 to 5 times as strong as a human with jaws that can bite
through bone, have near human intelligence, and will be naturally
agressive (and sexually frustrated) as a pet.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
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Old July 7th 11, 11:54 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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"Tºm Shermªn °_°" " wrote in message
...
On 7/6/2011 12:25 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
wrote in message
...
[...]
Thanks for the well wishing, Mike. I've come a long way since being

diagnosed and I am now in a much better place than I was just a few
months back. Unfortunately, prostate cancer becomes much more likely
as the age. Primates who share 99.9% of our DNA and are vegetarians
don't get prostate cancer. Canines in the wild don't get prostate
cancer. The only mammal known to get a significant amount of prostate
cancer is the dog, and who makes their food and feeds them table
scraps? Japanese men rarely get prostate cancer, but when they move
to places like Hawaii and California and change to consuming a Western
diet, their male born children get the same amount of prostate cancer
as other native born males. OK, this is all anecdotal but the
evidence strongly suggests that there is a correlation between diet
and the disease. If you or anyone else would care to read the details
of my complete story, it can be found posted here...

http://www.prostate.net/2011/survivo...-side-effects/


Jim McNamara


The Western diet has been a disaster for my entire lifetime and it keeps
on
getting worse ever year. Unfortunately, the rest of the world aspires to
our
diet if and when they can ever afford it.

Indeed. I have stopped eating [1] highly processed foods and have
minimized intake of refined carbohydrates, meat [2] and dairy products. A
few months will tell if my cholesterol and blood glucose levels improve.
I also try to consume adequate amounts of dihydrogen monoxide.

There is not enough grain raised in the world for everyone in China alone,
much less 7 billion plus, to eat as much meat per capita as USians do. In
most places meat is more of a condiment than a staple.

The only other primates to eat meat are chimpanzees, and it is only a
small part of their diet, monkeys [3] being hard to catch and kill.
However, it is valued enough that male chimpanzees will give meat to
females in exchange for sex.

[1] Unless social circumstances dictate otherwise.
[2] Free range and fish only.
[3] Chimpanzees have been known to steal and eat human babies [4], which
typically ends up in the chimpanzee being hunted down and killed in short
order.
[4] Or parts of adult humans, in a few cases of morons [5] who keep them
as pets.


Although surgeons recently reattached Charla's face- reportedly with Gorilla
Glue...........


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Old July 7th 11, 03:27 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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"Tºm Shermªn °_°" " wrote in message
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On 7/6/2011 12:25 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]
The Western diet has been a disaster for my entire lifetime and it keeps
on
getting worse ever year. Unfortunately, the rest of the world aspires to
our
diet if and when they can ever afford it.

Indeed. I have stopped eating [1] highly processed foods and have
minimized intake of refined carbohydrates, meat [2] and dairy products. A
few months will tell if my cholesterol and blood glucose levels improve.
I also try to consume adequate amounts of dihydrogen monoxide.


The average American will never be able to modify their diet like you have.
Even so, it may not make any difference. It has not been proven that diet
has anything to do with prostate cancer.

There is not enough grain raised in the world for everyone in China alone,
much less 7 billion plus, to eat as much meat per capita as USians do. In
most places meat is more of a condiment than a staple.


I think all humans would like to consume more meat. The only thing that
prevents it is a scarcity of resources.

All early human cultures (before agriculture) were based on hunting and
gathering. I don't think it can be argued that humans were ever like some
other primates who are strictly vegetarians.

The only other primates to eat meat are chimpanzees, and it is only a
small part of their diet, monkeys [3] being hard to catch and kill.
However, it is valued enough that male chimpanzees will give meat to
females in exchange for sex.

[1] Unless social circumstances dictate otherwise.
[2] Free range and fish only.
[3] Chimpanzees have been known to steal and eat human babies [4], which
typically ends up in the chimpanzee being hunted down and killed in short
order.
[4] Or parts of adult humans, in a few cases of morons [5] who keep them
as pets.
[5] Yes, I think I will get an animal that will grow to 150 to 200 pounds,
be 3 to 5 times as strong as a human with jaws that can bite through bone,
have near human intelligence, and will be naturally agressive (and
sexually frustrated) as a pet.


If we want to keep a pet, a dog or cat should do just fine. I suggest
limiting them however to just a few. No one in this world needs as many cats
as I have.

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


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Old July 8th 11, 05:08 AM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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On 7/7/2011 9:27 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
If we want to keep a pet, a dog or cat should do just fine. I suggest
limiting them however to just a few. No one in this world needs as many cats
as I have.


Two barely leave me enough space in the bed to sleep.

Here is an excellent example of sleeping with cats:
http://www.thecatshouse.com/sleep/index.html.

--
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I am a vehicular cyclist.
  #19  
Old July 8th 11, 07:31 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
Edward Dolan
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Default OT - Felis Catus

"Tºm Shermªn °_°" " wrote in message
...
On 7/7/2011 9:27 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
If we want to keep a pet, a dog or cat should do just fine. I suggest
limiting them however to just a few. No one in this world needs as many
cats
as I have.


Two barely leave me enough space in the bed to sleep.

Here is an excellent example of sleeping with cats:
http://www.thecatshouse.com/sleep/index.html.


My cats are confined to certain areas of the house and do not include my
bedroom!

--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


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Old July 8th 11, 09:55 PM posted to alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,rec.bicycles.soc
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On Jul 7, 1:02*am, Tºm Shermªn °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote:
On 7/6/2011 12:25 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:

*wrote in message
....
[...]
Thanks for the well wishing, Mike. *I've come a long way since being

diagnosed and I am now in a much better place than I was just a few
months back. *Unfortunately, prostate cancer becomes much more likely
as the age. *Primates who share 99.9% of our DNA and are vegetarians
don't get prostate cancer. *Canines in the wild don't get prostate
cancer. *The only mammal known to get a significant amount of prostate
cancer is the dog, and who makes their food and feeds them table
scraps? *Japanese men rarely get prostate cancer, but when they move
to places like Hawaii and California and change to consuming a Western
diet, their male born children get the same amount of prostate cancer
as other native born males. *OK, this is all anecdotal but the
evidence strongly suggests that there is a correlation between diet
and the disease. *If you or anyone else would care to read the details
of my complete story, it can be found posted here...


http://www.prostate.net/2011/survivo...ara-hormone-th....


Jim McNamara


The Western diet has been a disaster for my entire lifetime and it keeps on
getting worse ever year. Unfortunately, the rest of the world aspires to our
diet if and when they can ever afford it.


Indeed. *I have stopped eating [1] highly processed foods and have
minimized intake of refined carbohydrates, meat [2] and dairy products.
* A few months will tell if my cholesterol and blood glucose levels
improve. *I also try to consume adequate amounts of dihydrogen monoxide..

There is not enough grain raised in the world for everyone in China
alone, much less 7 billion plus, to eat as much meat per capita as
USians do. *In most places meat is more of a condiment than a staple.

The only other primates to eat meat are chimpanzees, and it is only a
small part of their diet, monkeys [3] being hard to catch and kill.
However, it is valued enough that male chimpanzees will give meat to
females in exchange for sex.

[1] Unless social circumstances dictate otherwise.
[2] Free range and fish only.
[3] Chimpanzees have been known to steal and eat human babies [4], which
typically ends up in the chimpanzee being hunted down and killed in
short order.
[4] Or parts of adult humans, in a few cases of morons [5] who keep them
as pets.
[5] Yes, I think I will get an animal that will grow to 150 to 200
pounds, be 3 to 5 times as strong as a human with jaws that can bite
through bone, have near human intelligence, and will be naturally
agressive (and sexually frustrated) as a pet.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.


Tom, if you read my posted link, you will note that you are eating
somewhat along the lines that I do, although I may be a bit more
strict about it. I failed to make note of the meat eating primate ...
the chimp, since they stans out as an exception, but right you are
regarding our observations.
 




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