|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
Now verified by onf of the few owners of both platforms who's a) got
hundreds of miles on each and b) is not on someone's payroll. The course: standard bike trail commute, 17.5 miles, slight downhill in, uphill and headwind back. The platforms: Volae team, stock. NoCom with Renn disc and standard spoked front wheel, FSA triple crank up front. The data: Standard heart rate at cruising speed 160-175. At this constant HR, speed on Volae Team on way in, 21-25 mph. Speeds on NoCom 27-32mph. Bottom line: The team now gets used when I need to haul in clothes and groceries, when I want to relax and smell the flowers, or when I expect rain. Fine, fast-ish bike, but not even in the same league as the NoCom when it comes to speed. NoCom is also a better climber, as it is stiffer than any of the single-tube stick bikes out there. My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't understand why this is even up for discussion." Let's just say I've never seen her go 34mph on a flat on any highwheeler... In short, don't believe the BS. There's no comparison. Anyone who tells you a highwheeler is even close, speedwise, is flat out lying. Buy a highwheeler because you like the comfort. Or you like the speed compared to the rest of the FOG trash out there. Or you don't want to spend any time building it up a carbon-fiber sled or tweaking it to perfection. But don't buy it if you want the fastest stick around. |
Ads |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't understand why this is even up for discussion." A wise woman. Listen to her. Understand her. Go to some Euro races and get your ass kicked by people who really go fast. Learn some humility, and then realize that nocom feaux racer arrogance doesn't mean **** to just about everyone here, despite the inherent sculptural beauty of the bike. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Ed,
Don't you ever tire of beating that tattered old drum? I know. You can't do it on BROL anymore. What a pity. You're keep running out of places to peddle your crap simply because you repeatedly exceed their tolerance threshold and get censored or banned and deservedly so. Gee, I wonder who the common denominator is in all this? Forget it. That was a rhetorical question and the answer is obvious. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out and take your drum with you. Jim Ed-Al Luminium-Gin wrote:' My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't understand why this is even up for discussion." A wise woman. Listen to her. Understand her. Go to some Euro races and get your ass kicked by people who really go fast. Learn some humility, and then realize that nocom feaux racer arrogance doesn't mean **** to just about everyone here, despite the inherent sculptural beauty of the bike. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
Using heart rate as an analog for power output just won't work. It's too
variable, dependent on what you eat, general and specific health, how much seep you've had, hydration, etc. I found that at the same gear, cadence and speed (on rollers) over the same time period my average heart rate varies by as much as 15%, so it's only a very crude analog for power. If the performance differences you've observed are within that 15% window then they aren't differences statistically speaking, especially if you've only run one data point. You can't, in other words, reject the null hypothesis that the bikes are equally "good" in terms of speed efficiency, etc. You'd probably need something that directly measures power output for that, and also standardize as many of the other variables as you can (wind, temperature, etc.). "NoComRulez" wrote in message ups.com... Now verified by onf of the few owners of both platforms who's a) got hundreds of miles on each and b) is not on someone's payroll. The course: standard bike trail commute, 17.5 miles, slight downhill in, uphill and headwind back. The platforms: Volae team, stock. NoCom with Renn disc and standard spoked front wheel, FSA triple crank up front. The data: Standard heart rate at cruising speed 160-175. At this constant HR, speed on Volae Team on way in, 21-25 mph. Speeds on NoCom 27-32mph. Bottom line: The team now gets used when I need to haul in clothes and groceries, when I want to relax and smell the flowers, or when I expect rain. Fine, fast-ish bike, but not even in the same league as the NoCom when it comes to speed. NoCom is also a better climber, as it is stiffer than any of the single-tube stick bikes out there. My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't understand why this is even up for discussion." Let's just say I've never seen her go 34mph on a flat on any highwheeler... In short, don't believe the BS. There's no comparison. Anyone who tells you a highwheeler is even close, speedwise, is flat out lying. Buy a highwheeler because you like the comfort. Or you like the speed compared to the rest of the FOG trash out there. Or you don't want to spend any time building it up a carbon-fiber sled or tweaking it to perfection. But don't buy it if you want the fastest stick around. |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
Freewheeling, I ride this route every day at the same times of day and
I have hundreds and hundres of miles on it, on both bikes, so the differences are easy for me to quantify. I also know exactly what kind of speed performance I get for a given heart rate and a given bike -- or, for that matter, a pair of running shoes. I am not some old BROL FOG with his first pair of wheels. I've been doing the endurance sport thing for well over 20 years, and I know my body well. I can tell you with pretty good accuracy how fast I'm running (or riding) without a watch or computer most of the time. The facts are these, the nocom is consistently 5-6 mph faster at cruising speeds, and it climbs better to boot. (No surprise, it's got a stiffer frame and less mush in the seating arrangement.) Corroberating evidence: On decent downhills near my house, where the Volae coasts in the 27 mph range, the nocom is going so fast I need to brake or I run into cars (that's 33-35 mph). On the Nocom, though I am currently out of shape, I can sprint on flats up to 34 mph. I NEVER achieved a flat sprint more than 31-2 mph on the Volae even on smooth roads and with tailwinds, when I was in much better shape. And my wife has never sprinted at 32 mph in her life. She hits that easily on her nocom -- and she's got under 200 miles on this season. Must be the granola she's eating for breakfast this year, though, eh Freehwheeler? Couldn't be the bike... Puhleeze. Spare us your pseudo scientific second-guessing. I can reject the null hypothesis with great certainty, as can anyone who looks at the bike are removes their ego from their overprice Aero purchase for a few minutes. But I suppose unless we get this thing into a wind tunnel and onto the test bench to measure the stiffness, the real intellects like you will never buy it... I'm just reporting the facts, as I seem to be the only one around who rides both platforms and isn't on anyone's payroll. I can't post it at BROL, because Bryan der Bent Fuhrer banned me for saying "Jehova." I figured that there were people out there -- other than the Freewheelers and the Linseed Jimmys -- who might be interested. So here it is, for the record. I'm not going to argue about it with any of you pinheads who've got it in for Ed, lowracers, or whatever else is stuck up your butts sideways. These are the facts. End of story. Any highwheeler pilots want to debate the point, stop by next time you're in the DC area, bring a couple hundred bucks, and I'll show you the difference. By the way, budding Einsteins. This isn't Ed. Ed doesn't own a highwheeler. |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
my airlite trike could kick your nocoms ass |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
Oh my god, it's back!
Please go back to whatever rock you were under for the last month or so. This group was just starting to come back to life... |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
"NoComRulez" wrote in message ups.com... On the Nocom, though I am currently out of shape, I can sprint on flats up to 34 mph. I NEVER achieved a flat sprint more than 31-2 mph on the Volae even on smooth roads and with tailwinds, when I was in much better shape. And my wife has never sprinted at 32 mph in her life. She hits that easily on her nocom -- and she's got under 200 miles on this season. Big whoop, I can sprint at 34 mph on my Baron |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
"NoComRulez" wrote in message
ups.com... Freewheeling, I ride this route every day at the same times of day and I have hundreds and hundres of miles on it, on both bikes, so the differences are easy for me to quantify. I also know exactly what kind of speed performance I get for a given heart rate and a given bike -- or, for that matter, a pair of running shoes. I am not some old BROL FOG with his first pair of wheels. I've been doing the endurance sport thing for well over 20 years, and I know my body well. I can tell you with pretty good accuracy how fast I'm running (or riding) without a watch or computer most of the time. Your level of "experience" has nothing to do with the empirical reliability of your metrics, and by definition heart rate isn't power or energy, so its validity as a measure of power or energy is compromised, at best. Moreover, your consistent "advocacy" of this particular bike suggests, well... bias. Just report, let people take it for what it's worth, and move on to another topic. The facts are these, the nocom is consistently 5-6 mph faster at cruising speeds, and it climbs better to boot. (No surprise, it's got a stiffer frame and less mush in the seating arrangement.) Corroberating evidence: On decent downhills near my house, where the Volae coasts in the 27 mph range, the nocom is going so fast I need to brake or I run into cars (that's 33-35 mph). On the Nocom, though I am currently out of shape, I can sprint on flats up to 34 mph. I NEVER achieved a flat sprint more than 31-2 mph on the Volae even on smooth roads and with tailwinds, when I was in much better shape. And my wife has never sprinted at 32 mph in her life. She hits that easily on her nocom -- and she's got under 200 miles on this season. Must be the granola she's eating for breakfast this year, though, eh Freehwheeler? Couldn't be the bike... Puhleeze. Spare us your pseudo scientific second-guessing. I can reject the null hypothesis with great certainty, as can anyone who looks at the bike are removes their ego from their overprice Aero purchase for a few minutes. But I suppose unless we get this thing into a wind tunnel and onto the test bench to measure the stiffness, the real intellects like you will never buy it... I'm just reporting the facts, as I seem to be the only one around who rides both platforms and isn't on anyone's payroll. I can't post it at BROL, because Bryan der Bent Fuhrer banned me for saying "Jehova." I figured that there were people out there -- other than the Freewheelers and the Linseed Jimmys -- who might be interested. So here it is, for the record. I'm not going to argue about it with any of you pinheads who've got it in for Ed, lowracers, or whatever else is stuck up your butts sideways. These are the facts. End of story. Any highwheeler pilots want to debate the point, stop by next time you're in the DC area, bring a couple hundred bucks, and I'll show you the difference. By the way, budding Einsteins. This isn't Ed. Ed doesn't own a highwheeler. |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
I hope you live near Chicago, so we can see you race at Northbrook this
summer trying to fulfill your challenge. "Racer" wrote in message ... my airlite trike could kick your nocoms ass ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
The Johnny NoCom Book??? ... Eamil SPAM from Johnny NoCom | [email protected] | Recumbent Biking | 0 | January 5th 05 02:56 AM |
Johnny NoCom T-Shirts Soon! | Weisse Luft | Techniques | 1 | December 20th 04 04:13 PM |
How to get a NoCom | Johnny NoCom | Recumbent Biking | 31 | December 19th 04 03:11 PM |
NoCom is faster than any condom sock bike | Johnny NoCom | Recumbent Biking | 0 | December 19th 04 04:09 AM |
I know what NoCom stands for! | Johnny NoCom | General | 9 | December 18th 04 05:40 AM |