Wheels and tires

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 19:04:30 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

Truly, Victory has a thousand fathers, defeat is an orphan

And... the original quote seems to date to 98AD :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 19:40:41 -0400, Radey Shouman
wrote:

jbeattie writes:

State health authorities typically run state hospitals and clinics and
have equipment stores for those facilities, but they are not running a
strategic reserve. I don't know of any state that has a strategic
reserve of medicine and medical equipment. States rely on DHHS and
the federal government to fight epidemics just like they rely on the
federal government to fight wars. That's what the federal government
does. Don't blame the states when the feds fall on their faces.

It seems California used to have a stockpile of ventilators,
respirators, and several field hospitals ready to go in case of
pandemic, but they let that all go:

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ls-ventilators

Hindsight is 20/20.

Yup. and what would the citizens have said when the Governor announced
that taxes would be raised, by 5.8 million... to pay the up-keep on
these mobile hospitals that have never been used...
--
cheers,

John B.

On 3/29/2020 8:34 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 19:04:30 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

Truly, Victory has a thousand fathers, defeat is an orphan

And... the original quote seems to date to 98AD :-)


'twas ever thus.
Issues change, humans don't.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

John B. writes:

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 19:40:41 -0400, Radey Shouman
wrote:

jbeattie writes:

State health authorities typically run state hospitals and clinics and
have equipment stores for those facilities, but they are not running a
strategic reserve. I don't know of any state that has a strategic
reserve of medicine and medical equipment. States rely on DHHS and
the federal government to fight epidemics just like they rely on the
federal government to fight wars. That's what the federal government
does. Don't blame the states when the feds fall on their faces.

It seems California used to have a stockpile of ventilators,
respirators, and several field hospitals ready to go in case of
pandemic, but they let that all go:

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ls-ventilators

Hindsight is 20/20.

Yup. and what would the citizens have said when the Governor announced
that taxes would be raised, by 5.8 million... to pay the up-keep on
these mobile hospitals that have never been used...

$0.07 per capita? I don't think this particular line item was
noticeable to citizens that did not have a particular interest.

--

Frank Krygowski writes:

On 3/29/2020 12:32 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/29/2020 10:18 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 3/28/2020 9:05 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Frank Krygowski writes:

On 3/28/2020 6:48 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Tim McNamara writes:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 22:13:13 -0500, AMuzi
wrote:

Indeed, from small business owners to generals in the
field to
Presidents, one assembles hopefully competent
advisors, takes their
counsel but at the end a decision must be made.

Something this President has been loath to do, because
in his narcissism
he believes he knows better than everyone else.

According to Dr. Fauci.

"The president has listened to what I have said and what
the other
people on the task force have said. When I have made
recommendations he
has taken them," Fauci added. "The idea of just pitting
one against the
other is just not helpful."

Trump isn't a shining example of how to be president.
But in this case
he really does seem to be doing what competent advisers
suggest.

"In this case" since when? Certainly not since January!

Again:

* â¬SAre there worries about a pandemic at this point?â¬�

Jan. 22 ⬠â¬SNo. Not at all. And we have it totally
under control.�

Jan. 24 ⬠â¬SIt will all work out well.â¬�

Jan. 30 ⬠â¬SWe have it very well under control.* We
have very little
problem in this country at the moment ⬠five. And those
people are all
recuperating successfully.�

Feb. 10 ⬠â¬SLooks like by April, you know, in theory,
when it gets a
little warmer, it miraculously goes away.�

Feb. 19 ⬠â¬SI think the numbers are getting
progressively better as we go.�

Feb. 20 ⬠â¬S⬦within a couple of days, is going to be
down to close to zero.�

Feb. 22 ⬠â¬SWe have it very much under control in
this country.�

Feb. 25 ⬠â¬S⬦the Democrats are politicizing the
coronavirus⬦ They tried
the impeachment hoax ⬦ and this is their new hoax.�

Feb. 26 ⬠â¬SWeâ¬"re going down, not up.â¬�

Feb. 27 ⬠â¬SItâ¬"s going to disappear.* One day like a
miracle ⬠it will
disappear.�

Feb. 29 ⬠â¬SEverything is really under control.â¬�
(The vaccine will be
available) â¬Svery rapidly.â¬�

March 2 ⬠â¬SItâ¬"s very mild.â¬�

March 4 ⬠â¬S⬦weâ¬"re talking about very small
numbers in the United States.�

March 6 â¬* â¬SI like this stuff.* I really get it.
People are surprised
I understand it. Every one of these doctors said, â¬ÜHow
do you know so
much about this?â¬" Maybe I have a natural ability.â¬"
Maybe I should have
done that instead of running for president.� Maybe.

March 6: â¬SAnybody who wants a test can get a test.
Thatâ¬"s the bottom line.â¬�

March 7: â¬SIâ¬"m not concerned at all. No, weâ¬"ve done
a great job with it.�

March 10 ⬠â¬SIt will go away. Just stay calm. It
will go away.�

March 16 ⬠(on his own performance) â¬SIâ¬"d rate it
a ten.�

March 17 ⬠â¬SI felt it was a pandemic long before it
was called a pandemic.�


And since then? "I feel good about it. That's all it is.
Just a
feeling. You know, I'm a smart guy." No matter what's
said by those
who are, you know, actually educated.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...eling-n1166566



*
* I guess I don't see your inside information on what his
advisers told
* him at those points.
*

Correlate the above statements with this information:
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020...-cdc-timeline/



It requires some serious cognitive dissonance to believe
Trump was in sync with the CDC, etc. during all that time.
Even now, he blathers at the microphone, then those with
actual expertise step up to carefully and diplomatically
"rephrase," to give actual facts.



Let us know how Dr Fauci reacts when you ring him up and tell him
he's wrong to say( more than once), "To his [Trumps] credit, even
though we disagree on some things, he listens. He goes his own
way. He has his own style. But on substantive issues, he does listen
to what I say.

Fauci's dealing with a jerk who has lost or fired dozens of competent
people, and who has stated a propensity to punish governors and states
that aren't sufficiently obsequious. There has been real speculation
how long it will be until Trump fires Fauci - because Fauci has very,
very diplomatically, let the world know that Trump often spouts
nonsense.

Fauci knows this. It seems obvious the statement above was intended to
mollify Trump and deflect further criticism of Trump. And it seems
obvious that Fauci is doing this so his competence can continue to
exert some influence for the public good.

Fauci could have retired long ago. He's in this out of dedication. To
keep serving, he's willing to throw the orange puppy a bone to calm
him down.

Geez, Frank, you sound like you've never had a boss. I guess being
tenured faculty is kind of like that.

On 3/29/2020 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 19:40:41 -0400, Radey Shouman
wrote:

jbeattie writes:

State health authorities typically run state hospitals and clinics and
have equipment stores for those facilities, but they are not running a
strategic reserve. I don't know of any state that has a strategic
reserve of medicine and medical equipment. States rely on DHHS and
the federal government to fight epidemics just like they rely on the
federal government to fight wars. That's what the federal government
does. Don't blame the states when the feds fall on their faces.

It seems California used to have a stockpile of ventilators,
respirators, and several field hospitals ready to go in case of
pandemic, but they let that all go:

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ls-ventilators

Hindsight is 20/20.

Yup. and what would the citizens have said when the Governor announced
that taxes would be raised, by 5.8 million... to pay the up-keep on
these mobile hospitals that have never been used...
--
cheers,

John B.



The US Navy under a new audit, found millions of dollars
worth of spare parts and supplies in a warehouse.

According to Thomas B Modley, Navy Secretary:

The US Navy currently has a budget of around US$200 billion.
Before asking for more, it needs to make better use of what
it has, Modly said. An audit recently turned up a warehouse
in Florida filled with US$150 million in aircraft parts the
agency didn’t know it had, allowing the navy to get several
grounded aircraft airborne.

If the Navy is run like that, and the State of California,
any guesses about all the other departments, bureaus,
agencies and such, both Federal and the States?

p.s. I saw Mr Modley's interview on the radio. Here's a link:
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/top-us-nav...202911912.html

More recently, same story expanded:
https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News...norquist-says/


--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 20:00:09 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 3/29/2020 3:47 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 11:54:20 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 10:45:42 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

What do you think that the government can do?


Tell everybody who possibly can to stay the **** at home.

You so easily are willing to have your own Big Brother. Tell us how
staying at home or practicing social distancing does anything with the
very obvious 30% exposure rating?

I suggest that you forget the panic. Remember the news game from the old
days, "If it bleeds, it leads." Today a more accurate summation of the
Lame Stream Media is "If it bleeds, blame it on Trump".



I don’t think I can answer your question on the value of social distancing,
Tom. Not because I do not believe that avoiding people during a pandemic is
a bad thing, but because I can’t fathom a line of reasoning that would make
this new (to you) concept gain any traction in your head.

Ralph, I am trying to get it through to people that most people have already been exposed to this or will even with social distancing. It is plain in the grocery store that everyone has touched all the produce and the jars and cans of goods. Do you not understand that those are perfect carriers? And then you get up to the counters and they have 6' apart "social distancing". I have to keep from laughing.

Remember that this is a corona virus and so is the four different varieties of rhino viruses that cause the common cold. I imagine that most people's immune system can recognize and fight this thing without any effort.

We don't have any real information so you and I can only make guesses as to the actual mortality rate but I am willing to bet that it is significantly below 1%. I saw the mortality rate for influenza the other day and it is a known quantity and they said it was 3.83%.

My entire point on this subject is to halt the panic and start a little more calm consideration.

And what I'm seeing is people saying that they WANT to be panicked and run around in circles screaming because it is so effective at protecting them.


Tom, you think this virus has very little risk except to those of even
more advanced age than you. Most professionals disagree.

Example: A woman in our neighborhood is a paramedic. At the moment, her
husband still has a job, but they're quite sure he's going to lose it
soon. She has a young kid, so doesn't work full time, but goes out on
medical emergency calls when she can, and gets paid per call.

They recently increased the per-call pay by a tremendous amount - way
over $100 per call - because so many paramedics are too afraid to deal
with COVID cases, and are refusing calls. This woman is taking the
calls, despite being afraid for her kid, because she's sure they'll need
the money.

Got it? The paramedics are scared. The directors of public health are
scared. The nurses in hospitals are scared, at least in part because
there are shortages of personal protective equipment (PPE). But you are
not scared.

So take advantage of this! Market yourself to a local response team, or
clinic, or hospital. Tell them you don't need any PPE - heck, tell them
you're immune. If a little town in Ohio is paying way over $100 per
trip, you can probably ask and get $300 in your hell hole.

Tell them you're unemployed, so you're ready to report immediately.

This is your big chance! Maybe someone will finally hire you!

Oh, and please report back.

I can think of nothing more terrifying than to be laying there leaking
blood and have Tom arrive in a white coat :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

John B. writes:

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 20:00:09 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 3/29/2020 3:47 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 11:54:20 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 10:45:42 AM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
Tom Kunich wrote:

What do you think that the government can do?


Tell everybody who possibly can to stay the **** at home.

You so easily are willing to have your own Big Brother. Tell us how
staying at home or practicing social distancing does anything with the
very obvious 30% exposure rating?

I suggest that you forget the panic. Remember the news game from the old
days, "If it bleeds, it leads." Today a more accurate summation of the
Lame Stream Media is "If it bleeds, blame it on Trump".



I don’t think I can answer your question on the value of social distancing,
Tom. Not because I do not believe that avoiding people during a pandemic is
a bad thing, but because I can’t fathom a line of reasoning that would make
this new (to you) concept gain any traction in your head.

Ralph, I am trying to get it through to people that most people
have already been exposed to this or will even with social
distancing. It is plain in the grocery store that everyone has
touched all the produce and the jars and cans of goods. Do you not
understand that those are perfect carriers? And then you get up to
the counters and they have 6' apart "social distancing". I have to
keep from laughing.

Remember that this is a corona virus and so is the four different
varieties of rhino viruses that cause the common cold. I imagine
that most people's immune system can recognize and fight this thing
without any effort.

We don't have any real information so you and I can only make
guesses as to the actual mortality rate but I am willing to bet
that it is significantly below 1%. I saw the mortality rate for
influenza the other day and it is a known quantity and they said it
was 3.83%.

My entire point on this subject is to halt the panic and start a little more calm consideration.

And what I'm seeing is people saying that they WANT to be panicked
and run around in circles screaming because it is so effective at
protecting them.


Tom, you think this virus has very little risk except to those of even
more advanced age than you. Most professionals disagree.

Example: A woman in our neighborhood is a paramedic. At the moment, her
husband still has a job, but they're quite sure he's going to lose it
soon. She has a young kid, so doesn't work full time, but goes out on
medical emergency calls when she can, and gets paid per call.

They recently increased the per-call pay by a tremendous amount - way
over $100 per call - because so many paramedics are too afraid to deal
with COVID cases, and are refusing calls. This woman is taking the
calls, despite being afraid for her kid, because she's sure they'll need
the money.

Got it? The paramedics are scared. The directors of public health are
scared. The nurses in hospitals are scared, at least in part because
there are shortages of personal protective equipment (PPE). But you are
not scared.

So take advantage of this! Market yourself to a local response team, or
clinic, or hospital. Tell them you don't need any PPE - heck, tell them
you're immune. If a little town in Ohio is paying way over $100 per
trip, you can probably ask and get $300 in your hell hole.

Tell them you're unemployed, so you're ready to report immediately.

This is your big chance! Maybe someone will finally hire you!

Oh, and please report back.

I can think of nothing more terrifying than to be laying there leaking
blood and have Tom arrive in a white coat :-)

Just what we need to discourage frivoulous ambulance use.

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 21:14:17 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 3/29/2020 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 19:40:41 -0400, Radey Shouman
wrote:

jbeattie writes:

State health authorities typically run state hospitals and clinics and
have equipment stores for those facilities, but they are not running a
strategic reserve. I don't know of any state that has a strategic
reserve of medicine and medical equipment. States rely on DHHS and
the federal government to fight epidemics just like they rely on the
federal government to fight wars. That's what the federal government
does. Don't blame the states when the feds fall on their faces.

It seems California used to have a stockpile of ventilators,
respirators, and several field hospitals ready to go in case of
pandemic, but they let that all go:

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ls-ventilators

Hindsight is 20/20.

Yup. and what would the citizens have said when the Governor announced
that taxes would be raised, by 5.8 million... to pay the up-keep on
these mobile hospitals that have never been used...
--
cheers,

John B.



The US Navy under a new audit, found millions of dollars
worth of spare parts and supplies in a warehouse.

According to Thomas B Modley, Navy Secretary:

The US Navy currently has a budget of around US$200 billion.
Before asking for more, it needs to make better use of what
it has, Modly said. An audit recently turned up a warehouse
in Florida filled with US$150 million in aircraft parts the
agency didn’t know it had, allowing the navy to get several
grounded aircraft airborne.

Yes, I read that and it turns out that the Navy had acquired the parts
and knew that they had them. They just didn't know where they were.

But, to be realistic, $150 million is a drop in the bucket when you
talk about defense budget spending. A single F-35 fighter airplane
costs $108.8 million and F-135-PW engine that powers it costs $19.05
million. AND the Navy wants to build some more carriers - they've
currently got almost half of all the commissioned aircraft carriers in
the world - for a paltry $17 billion. $17,000,000,000.00, that is
37,400 lbs of green dollar bills :-)



If the Navy is run like that, and the State of California,
any guesses about all the other departments, bureaus,
agencies and such, both Federal and the States?

p.s. I saw Mr Modley's interview on the radio. Here's a link:
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/top-us-nav...202911912.html

More recently, same story expanded:
https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News...norquist-says/
--
cheers,

John B.

On 3/30/2020 10:45 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 7:12:35 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:

Tell us what lies the President has been saying? It is really tiresome that you repeat that communist claim without anything to back it up. I have WATCHED the Lame Stream Media show clips of the President's speeches that cut out the part that caused the sentence to mean EXACTLY the opposite of what they claimed he said. Have you been allowing yourself to be propagandized as well?

I think Frank has already produced a catalog.

And if Tom has watched those unedited clips proving Trump's wisdom, why
not link to them?


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- Frank Krygowski